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[bigm386]

Heard teaguey just maybe hint ben silvagni may get a game later in the year and he has improved a lot this year. To he fair did also say he was a fair way behind. Luke power is a big in. Just need a better midfield coach And a josh kelly

Would be fantastic to see him come on and replace Jones in the long run as our Fullback. Considering both their ages would be pretty perfect.

 

[Gethelred]

I watched papley yesterday yes he is a good goal kicker but I’m not sure he can win us games. Don’t overpay. Butler yes good this year might just be a good patch although will admit his finishing has improved dramatically

I don't think it's a good idea to read too much into a single game, but otherwise I agree.

The fact that they constantly tried to work to him got in the way of them winning.

 

[Manhattanite]

I wouldn't get too excited over Butler just yet. I reckon these small forward types often have a 'dead-cat bounce' for a little while at a new club and then eventually peter out - Jacob Towsend, Paul Medhurst,......... Les Bamblett, Peter Bedford

WTF happened to Fasolo? No bounce. Nothing.


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[ABigOlDoofus]

I don't think it's a good idea to read too much into a single game, but otherwise I agree.

The fact that they constantly tried to work to him got in the way of them winning.

This is why I don't want to overpay Paps, the reason his form has increased so much this year is because he is the focal point of their offense. He definitely will not be with our 3 talls set-up, so we will not be getting what we pay for.

He's first in the AFL for marks on a lead. As a small forward. Will not have the same opportunities here.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

This is why I don't want to overpay Paps, the reason his form has increased so much this year is because he is the focal point of their offense. He definitely will not be with our 3 talls set-up, so we will not be getting what we pay for.

He's first in the AFL for marks on a lead. As a small forward. Will not have the same opportunities here.

I agree his supply will most likely drop off if he came to us but so would the attention he gets. He managed 37 goals last year playing the role he most likely would at Carlton so I can’t see why he couldn’t do it for us.

 

[FairKouta]

I don't think it's a good idea to read too much into a single game, but otherwise I agree.

The fact that they constantly tried to work to him got in the way of them winning.

Just not sure we should be going all out for him. Josh kelly yes.

I will say this besides weits and samo our backline doesn’t really have elite decision makers. Take the geelong and hawthorn backline in their peak even richmond now most of the back 6 have elite decision making and kicking skills.
Not sure you can win a premiership without your backline being the strongest line in your team.

Zac Williams is a must.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Just not sure we should be going all out for him. Josh kelly yes.

I will say this besides weits and samo our backline doesn’t really have elite decision makers. Take the geelong and hawthorn backline in their peak even richmond now most of the back 6 have elite decision making and kicking skills.
Not sure you can win a premiership without your backline being the strongest line in your team.

Zac Williams is a must.

I'd add Doch in but I see your point.

 

[Gethelred]

This is why I don't want to overpay Paps, the reason his form has increased so much this year is because he is the focal point of their offense. He definitely will not be with our 3 talls set-up, so we will not be getting what we pay for.

He's first in the AFL for marks on a lead. As a small forward. Will not have the same opportunities here.

Yep. I will say, though, that this kind of treatment at Sydney can improve him as a player; he gets more practice, gets to try to do what he does well more often. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. They go to him because he's a good player, he gets better because they keep going to him.

If Sydney are doing this deliberately in order to build a case for him to actually be worth two first round picks, which is something that is both transparent and obnoxious. Papley goes along with it because for him there is no downside; he gets to kick more goals and to be a better player, and get more money in turn as well as the idea that he's going to be allowed to leave next season.

If they want two firsts, I'm cool; I'd want us to argue them down some, but at the end it'd be within reason. It's only if their request is for players that I start to balk.

 

[Gethelred]

Just not sure we should be going all out for him. Josh kelly yes.

I will say this besides weits and samo our backline doesn’t really have elite decision makers. Take the geelong and hawthorn backline in their peak even richmond now most of the back 6 have elite decision making and kicking skills.
Not sure you can win a premiership without your backline being the strongest line in your team.

Zac Williams is a must.

Hawthorn did it in 2008, but they're an extreme outlier in terms of AFL trends.

I don't think we're really that far away behind the ball. We need to deny opposition easy access to defensive 50 more, so I'd be directing most of our play towards that rather than bolstering the back 6 really. Also, we have as a point of difference contested marking list wide; we can kick to a contest with more confidence than any other team in the competition.

I really think we just need to develop a dominant midfield complete with a defensive stoppage mindset, and we'll be set.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Yep. I will say, though, that this kind of treatment at Sydney can improve him as a player; he gets more practice, gets to try to do what he does well more often. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. They go to him because he's a good player, he gets better because they keep going to him.

If Sydney are doing this deliberately in order to build a case for him to actually be worth two first round picks, which is something that is both transparent and obnoxious. Papley goes along with it because for him there is no downside; he gets to kick more goals and to be a better player, and get more money in turn as well as the idea that he's going to be allowed to leave next season.

If they want two firsts, I'm cool; I'd want us to argue them down some, but at the end it'd be within reason. It's only if their request is for players that I start to balk.

I seriously doubt this is why he's the focal point, it's because they have no other options. Buddy and Reid never play, Blakey is in horrible form, Hayward is being played all over the ground trying to find some form, and then that leaves guys like Tom McCartin and Aliir Aliir. I don't know who else they'd turn to.

 

[FairKouta]

I'd add Doch in but I see your point.

His kicking really isn’t elite is prone to a few clangers

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

His kicking really isn’t elite is prone to a few clangers

Yes but we weren't talking about disposal, we were talking about decision making, two very different things.

 

[katmanblue]

His kicking really isn’t elite is prone to a few clangers

A few?

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[FairKouta]

Yes but we weren't talking about disposal, we were talking about decision making, two very different things.

You can make the right decision but if you can’t execute what’s the point as good as doc is I don’t relax unless weits or sammo have the ball. I want to feel like that with all our back 6 this is why we need zac Williams and hmac in they have good decision making skills and disposals. Marchy goes to ground to easy his kicking isn’t the best

 

[Arr0w]

A few?

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Yeap more than 7 a game currently, turnovers and clangers, as well as kicking long to 50/50 contests

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Yeap more than 7 a game currently, turnovers and clangers, as well as kicking long to 50/50 contests

This is what people forgot when we tried to play him in midfield. He was Mitch Robinson esque.
It’s also why people underrate Newman. Newman imo is every bit as good at rebound kicking, he just took a lot more risky kicks and got a lot less of the sideward chips that we love doing at HB so he didn’t get the extra 7-8 pointless kicks at HB every game. I’m not comparing him to Doc because he is on a different level but we have to actually look at what players are doing with their possessions at half back because Newman was a guy taking the risks that most of the others weren’t capable of.

 

[Arr0w]

This is what people forgot when we tried to play him in midfield. He was Mitch Robinson esque.
It’s also why people underrate Newman. Newman imo is every bit as good at rebound kicking, he just took a lot more risky kicks and got a lot less of the sideward chips that we love doing at HB so he didn’t get the extra 7-8 pointless kicks at HB every game. I’m not comparing him to Doc because he is on a different level but we have to actually look at what players are doing with their possessions at half back because Newman was a guy taking the risks that most of the others weren’t capable of.

I agree

One of the major reason why I believe when fit again he will currently walk back in to best 22

 

[HereComesJuddy]

We won’t get Papley. That “ship” has sailed. Not that there was ever any real chance of getting him given that we were relying on Dodoro and Essendope being sensible. All the more reason why we should’ve pressed harder for Butler.

No it hasn't

 

[HereComesJuddy]

the reason I wanted Butler last year had nothing to do with him being capable of being the player he is now. I mean who would’ve thought he was capable of AA level but the game has moved towards having more and more small forwards and it just seemed crazy knowing Betts is turning 34 this year that we wouldn’t prefer him on our list then guys like Polson and O’dywer.

I also wanted Butler. The game up forward is a lot about speed. Well the whole game is about speed. Something we are lacking.

Butler had all but signed with us. He wanted us. But we decided against him and the saints swooped. Good on them and tough luck for us.

We honestly need 2 extra smalls up forward with Charlie also returning next year. We either leave Cas or McGovern out next year or go into games too tall.

Plenty of smalls out there but I do feel we missed a great opportunity last year to have our list closer to complete than where we are now. If we had of gotten Butler we may not even have Papley in our calculations (although he also would greatly improve our list).

Smalls make teams exciting. Let's set out to bring more in imo

 

[COBALT BLUE]

This is what people forgot when we tried to play him in midfield. He was Mitch Robinson esque.
It’s also why people underrate Newman. Newman imo is every bit as good at rebound kicking, he just took a lot more risky kicks and got a lot less of the sideward chips that we love doing at HB so he didn’t get the extra 7-8 pointless kicks at HB every game. I’m not comparing him to Doc because he is on a different level but we have to actually look at what players are doing with their possessions at half back because Newman was a guy taking the risks that most of the others weren’t capable of.

Newman ....was a good pick up
Hopefully see him back next yr at some stage

 

[HereComesJuddy]

General defender at the moment, needs to learn from Simmo and see if he can manage that role going into future seasons. If his hamstring issues clear up and his burst returns, you can drop him on the wing with bursts in the middle. If he can build up his body, you can look at him around the stoppage, but that's a big if.

Here's some footage so you can grasp an idea of what he seems to have lost (starting in his draft year), at least any consistency in it:

Sam Petrevski-Seton highlights | Pick 6

Watch number six pick Sam Petrevski-Seton's highlights.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Same thing happened to Rankine, but he's obviously recaptured what he'd lost after overdoing it trying to build up his body. In Rankine's case, he was probably managing to overeat while over-training (so literally stress eating) without causing a bunch of soft-tissue injuries. SPS doesn't seem to have been so lucky.

I would actually like to see him play forward. Give him the rest of the season and see if he can show some magic working with the likes of Betts and Martin.

 

[Jimmae]

I would actually like to see him play forward. Give him the rest of the season and see if he can show some magic working with the likes of Betts and Martin.

That's not his play style at all: he's at his best when he's setting the tempo and unlocking the play. He also has a tendency towards running both ways to help the team.

 

[Manhattanite]

Newman ....was a good pick up
Hopefully see him back next yr at some stage

Newman is also mates with Papley which at this stage is important...


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[HereComesJuddy]

That's not his play style at all: he's at his best when he's setting the tempo and unlocking the play. He also has a tendency towards running both ways to help the team.

Agree. However trying players in another position can sometimes be a positive. No one thought Jones could hold down a position and his career was done.

I just think it's worth a try

 

[COBALT BLUE]

Agree. However trying players in another position can sometimes be a positive. No one thought Jones could hold down a position and his career was done.

I just think it's worth a try

Remember Samo was always the bull riding mid with silky skills
I do think seeing he is undersized a HBF role might suit his temperament...I see him as a Leader eventually.....very good player