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The players are beyond stupid if they vote for this CBA. it needs the players to get more back.

the owners set them up for this in the last CBA, Get everything they want and just needed to wait a few years.


Owners are thinking longetem and giving up money now to handcuff the players in the future with how the revenue share is moving. Should be 50/50 now.







There are some things in the CBA i like, but if i was a player its still not enough to make me risk playing the extra 1-2 games.
Like that the players can now chose to be paid over 34 weeks rather than just the 17 they have been currently.

I dont understand why they are even testing for weed if its reduced from 4 months of testing to 2 weeks inside training camp. Would of liked it be placed on the rehab/recovery drug list to stop the teams forcing oxy on players.



Hope this is true, the players need much more back.
 
aussiedude said:
The players are beyond stupid if they vote for this CBA. it needs the players to get more back.

the owners set them up for this in the last CBA, Get everything they want and just needed to wait a few years.


Owners are thinking longetem and giving up money now to handcuff the players in the future with how the revenue share is moving. Should be 50/50 now.







There are some things in the CBA i like, but if i was a player its still not enough to make me risk playing the extra 1-2 games.
Like that the players can now chose to be paid over 34 weeks rather than just the 17 they have been currently.

I dont understand why they are even testing for weed if its reduced from 4 months of testing to 2 weeks inside training camp. Would of liked it be placed on the rehab/recovery drug list to stop the teams forcing oxy on players.



Hope this is true, the players need much more back.
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The players have nothing to offer outside of 17 games. The owners will always be in the position of power. They are multi billionaires who can divest their money elsewhere in the event of a work stoppage and still reap millions in return. Whereas the players don't have that luxury.

The split will never be 50:50.

If you say the players should be asking for more back, what exactly should they be asking for? The owners have made a fair few concessions in this CBA to begin with.
 

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Chewy316 said:
The players have nothing to offer outside of 17 games. The owners will always be in the position of power. They are multi billionaires who can divest their money elsewhere in the event of a work stoppage and still reap millions in return. Whereas the players don't have that luxury.

The split will never be 50:50.

If you say the players should be asking for more back, what exactly should they be asking for? The owners have made a fair few concessions in this CBA to begin with.
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I know the players union is useless. they are weak and never save enough money to force a real lockout to gain power.
the players should get the 50/50 split, and could if they union was stronger.
Other things they should ask for

- More guaranteed contracts
- Short term positions like RB only getting 3 year rookie deals [4th year options], so they can make money before the teams grind them down. Or have more power to holdout for early extensions
- remove gameday inactive, and/or increase roster size.
- Better healthcare and retirement funds to include more healthcare or lifetime cover


The owners have got more than the players, they got the 17th game in this time and also expanded the playoffs to give them more. They money they give up in the extra 1.5% they will get back in TV money and other revenue like ticket sales from the extra games.

Its not hard to see why the owners went public with the CBA, because they get the fans on their side so easily and the PA is weak [Owners won the CBA last offseason when the players kept Demaurice Smith as the head] and some players are afraid to speak up because of the fan backlash that will come at them.

The players have little to offer because the owners keep taking everything because of the weak NFLPA. every CBA the owners get most of what they want and the players fold, the next CBA the owners get what they gave up on fighting for last time and more [like the 17th game, which now also includes 2 more playoff games]
 
aussiedude said:
I know the players union is useless. they are weak and never save enough money to force a real lockout to gain power.
the players should get the 50/50 split, and could if they union was stronger.
Other things they should ask for

- More guaranteed contracts
- Short term positions like RB only getting 3 year rookie deals [4th year options], so they can make money before the teams grind them down. Or have more power to holdout for early extensions
- remove gameday inactive, and/or increase roster size.
- Better healthcare and retirement funds to include more healthcare or lifetime cover


The owners have got more than the players, they got the 17th game in this time and also expanded the playoffs to give them more. They money they give up in the extra 1.5% they will get back in TV money and other revenue like ticket sales from the extra games.

Its not hard to see why the owners went public with the CBA, because they get the fans on their side so easily and the PA is weak [Owners won the CBA last offseason when the players kept Demaurice Smith as the head] and some players are afraid to speak up because of the fan backlash that will come at them.

The players have little to offer because the owners keep taking everything because of the weak NFLPA. every CBA the owners get most of what they want and the players fold, the next CBA the owners get what they gave up on fighting for last time and more [like the 17th game, which now also includes 2 more playoff games]
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Even if the NFLPA was stronger, there's no way in hell that they'd ever get a 50/50 split.

Fully guaranteed deals are already a thing. Rookie contracts are fully guaranteed. Fully guaranteed deals are beginning to happen with QBs, so the tide is turning there. But it works in other sports like MLB and NBA because of the soft cap and no cap.

There is absolutely no way that certain positions would have less years on their rookie deals than others. That is opening up an absolute minefield given that the average player in the league lasts no longer than 3 years in the system anyway. So to get a 4 year fully guaranteed deal, that's a major incentive to the majority of the players in the NFLPA. Maybe not so much the stars who would want to hit FA asap, but you have to cater for the bottom feeders too.

The owners have already proposed to increase the active gameday roster to 48 and the full roster to 55, whilst increasing the number practice squad players to 14 by 2022.

The players really should be targeting increased health care cover over everything else. But given that those former players not so long ago were shown to abuse the system, That too will be very difficult to obtain.
 
ESPN's Jenna Laine reports the Bucs have considered a two-year extension for Jameis Winston.
Winston would get a fully guaranteed $27 million salary this season — roughly the same the Bucs would pay him under the franchise tag — and a team option for 2021. It's not a very player-friendly deal, but re-signing with the Bucs would allow Winston to rehab his value in a scheme that saw him throw for the eighth-most yards in NFL history last year. Winston may also be a candidate for the transition tag, which would pay him $2.5 million less than being franchised. The Bucs have been strongly linked to Philip Rivers, and despite coach Bruce Arians taking multiple shots at Winston through the media, there's still a chance he's brought back on a short-term deal.
SOURCE: Jenna Laine on Twitter
Feb 21, 2020, 6:32 PM ET
 
good article on how the last few years of playoffs wouldve looked different with a 14 team playoffs, and how certain results probably wouldve been different and how certain results wouldve been no different.

Link

How would recent NFL playoffs have looked with a 14-team field?

The NFL has proposed a collective bargaining agreement that would alter the way the postseason works. Under the new CBA, the field of playoff teams will grow from 12 to 14.

The CBA proposal still needs to be approved by players before it goes into effect, but if it gets the green light just one team from each conference will be able to earn a first-round bye.

A third wild card berth will add mostly mediocre teams to the playoffs. Had the rule change been in place last season, the Super Bowl champion Kansas City Chiefs would’ve had to play the 8-8 Pittsburgh Steelers on Wild Card Weekend.

Would that have changed anything, though? Let’s imagine how the last three postseasons would’ve shaken out if it there had been a 14-team field:

The Chiefs’ road to Super Bowl 54 would’ve been a bit more difficult

Kansas City narrowly topped the Patriots for the second seed in the AFC, but that wouldn’t have resulted in a bye in this format.

What the new playoff bracket looks like:
AFC
  • No. 2 Chiefs vs. No. 7 Steelers
  • No. 3 Patriots vs. No. 6 Titans
  • No. 4 Texans vs. No. 5 Bills
  • No. 1 Ravens vs. lowest seeded wild card winner
NFC
What changes:

The addition of the Steelers and Rams probably doesn’t change much.
No NFL result is a given. There’s certainly a chance the Steelers or Rams pull off an upset. But in this hypothetical, we’ll assume the Chiefs and Packers survive an extra game each.

The most significant difference is that neither team enters the Divisional Round with a week’s worth of rest. The Chiefs aren’t quite as healthy when they host the Texans, nor are the Packers against the Seahawks.

In real life, Kansas City pulled off three double-digit comebacks to win the Lombardi Trophy. That’s more difficult with another game to play.

What stays the same:

If anything, this proves a 14-team playoff could play out exactly the same as one with 12 teams. The Ravens were the No. 1 seed in the AFC and went down anyway to the sixth-seeded Titans.

Kansas City won all three of its playoff games by at least 11 points. Even with a slightly tougher path, the best bet is that the Chiefs still win it all.

Super Bowl 54 result: Chiefs beat the 49ers


Super Bowl 53 could’ve been an entirely different matchup

In 2018, both the Rams and Patriots earned No. 2 seeds. That could’ve kept them out of Super Bowl 53 in a 14-team field.

What the new playoff bracket looks like:
AFC
  • No. 2 Patriots vs. No. 7 Steelers
  • No. 3 Texans vs. No. 6 Colts
  • No. 4 Ravens vs. No. 5 Chargers
  • No. 1 Chiefs vs. lowest seeded wild card winner
NFC
  • No. 2 Rams vs. No. 7 Vikings
  • No. 3 Bears vs. No. 6 Eagles
  • No. 4 Cowboys vs. No. 5 Seahawks
  • No. 1 Saints vs. lowest seeded wild card winner
What changes:

While the 2019 Steelers weren’t very intimidating with Mason Rudolph and Devlin Hodges at the helm, the 2018 Steelers were different. They had a healthy Ben Roethlisberger and finished the season 9-6-1. Pittsburgh did beat New England in a pivotal Week 15 matchup, though knocking off the Patriots in Foxboro is a tall order.

The extra week of rest also helped the Patriots, a team with 41-year-old quarterback Tom Brady, better prepare for its postseason run. New England barely made Super Bowl 53 by pulling off a come-from-behind overtime win against the Chiefs in the AFC Championship. Even a little more wear and tear probably prevents that result from coming to fruition.

The Rams also got to the Super Bowl by the skin of their teeth. They needed a horribly blown call and overtime to beat the Saints in the NFC Championship. Can they do the same thing in this alternate universe after a wild card matchup against the Vikings two weeks prior? Probably not.

What stays the same:

Not a whole lot. The Saints and Chiefs were the two No. 1 seeds and cruised through the Divisional Round. That still happens here, but now they’re better positioned to actually win their respective conferences and make the Super Bowl.

With so many close overtime results, it’s likely that the teams with first-round byes would’ve reigned supreme. Kansas City vs. New Orleans is our new Super Bowl, a much more exciting matchup than the Patriots’ 13-3 snoozefest win over the Rams. We’ll give the Saints the edge due to experience.

Super Bowl 53 result: Saints beat the Chiefs

The Lions could’ve actually won a playoff game

Detroit hasn’t won a playoff game since January 1992. In the 28 years since, the Lions have lost on Wild Card Weekend eight times. If the NFL playoffs had 14 teams during the 2017 season, the Lions would’ve had a chance to snap that misfortunate streak.

What the new playoff bracket looks like:
AFC
  • No. 2 Steelers vs. No. 7 Ravens
  • No. 3 Jaguars vs. No. 6 Bills
  • No. 4 Chiefs vs. No. 5 Titans
  • No. 1 Patriots vs. lowest seeded wild card winner
NFC
  • No. 2 Vikings vs. No. 7 Lions
  • No. 3 Rams vs. No. 6 Falcons
  • No. 4 Saints vs. No. 5 Panthers
  • No. 1 Eagles vs. lowest seeded wild card winner
What changes:

Minnesota lost just three games in the 2017 season. Its only home loss was when the Lions came to town. Then, the Vikings got their revenge in Detroit on Thanksgiving.

In a 14-team postseason, the Vikings would’ve had to win a rubber match against Detroit. It could’ve been the Lions’ 10th consecutive playoff loss. But, hey, let’s throw them a bone and say they win. There’s a chance that changes a lot.
In the real timeline, Minnesota eliminated the Saints via a Minneapolis Miracle. Now New Orleans gets a home game against the seventh-seeded Lions. We’ll call that a ticket to the NFC Championship against the Eagles. That’s a hell of a matchup, but we’re still siding with Philadelphia’s Nick Foles magic.

What stays the same:

Just about everything else.

Even with a bye, the second-seeded teams didn’t have much success. The Vikings followed the Minneapolis Miracle by getting blown out in the NFC Championship. Pittsburgh didn’t even get through the Divisional Round.

The No. 1 seeds met in the Super Bowl, and there’s no reason to think that isn’t the case in this scenario too.

Super Bowl 52 result: Eagles beat the Patriots


Adding two more teams to the NFL playoffs would be a significant boost for No. 1 seeded teams, who become now the sole beneficiaries of a week off. However, the Ravens’ loss to the Titans in January is more than enough evidence that a first-round bye isn’t a free ticket to the Super Bowl.

Ultimately, the reshaped postseason could look a lot like the 12-team version the NFL has had for three decades. But even the little curveball of two more teams probably would’ve altered some recent Super Bowl results.
 
GG.exe said:
good article on how the last few years of playoffs wouldve looked different with a 14 team playoffs, and how certain results probably wouldve been different and how certain results wouldve been no different.

Link

How would recent NFL playoffs have looked with a 14-team field?

The NFL has proposed a collective bargaining agreement that would alter the way the postseason works. Under the new CBA, the field of playoff teams will grow from 12 to 14.

The CBA proposal still needs to be approved by players before it goes into effect, but if it gets the green light just one team from each conference will be able to earn a first-round bye.

A third wild card berth will add mostly mediocre teams to the playoffs. Had the rule change been in place last season, the Super Bowl champion Kansas City Chiefs would’ve had to play the 8-8 Pittsburgh Steelers on Wild Card Weekend.

Would that have changed anything, though? Let’s imagine how the last three postseasons would’ve shaken out if it there had been a 14-team field:

The Chiefs’ road to Super Bowl 54 would’ve been a bit more difficult

Kansas City narrowly topped the Patriots for the second seed in the AFC, but that wouldn’t have resulted in a bye in this format.

What the new playoff bracket looks like:
AFC
  • No. 2 Chiefs vs. No. 7 Steelers
  • No. 3 Patriots vs. No. 6 Titans
  • No. 4 Texans vs. No. 5 Bills
  • No. 1 Ravens vs. lowest seeded wild card winner
NFC
What changes:

The addition of the Steelers and Rams probably doesn’t change much.
No NFL result is a given. There’s certainly a chance the Steelers or Rams pull off an upset. But in this hypothetical, we’ll assume the Chiefs and Packers survive an extra game each.

The most significant difference is that neither team enters the Divisional Round with a week’s worth of rest. The Chiefs aren’t quite as healthy when they host the Texans, nor are the Packers against the Seahawks.

In real life, Kansas City pulled off three double-digit comebacks to win the Lombardi Trophy. That’s more difficult with another game to play.

What stays the same:

If anything, this proves a 14-team playoff could play out exactly the same as one with 12 teams. The Ravens were the No. 1 seed in the AFC and went down anyway to the sixth-seeded Titans.

Kansas City won all three of its playoff games by at least 11 points. Even with a slightly tougher path, the best bet is that the Chiefs still win it all.

Super Bowl 54 result: Chiefs beat the 49ers


Super Bowl 53 could’ve been an entirely different matchup

In 2018, both the Rams and Patriots earned No. 2 seeds. That could’ve kept them out of Super Bowl 53 in a 14-team field.

What the new playoff bracket looks like:
AFC
  • No. 2 Patriots vs. No. 7 Steelers
  • No. 3 Texans vs. No. 6 Colts
  • No. 4 Ravens vs. No. 5 Chargers
  • No. 1 Chiefs vs. lowest seeded wild card winner
NFC
  • No. 2 Rams vs. No. 7 Vikings
  • No. 3 Bears vs. No. 6 Eagles
  • No. 4 Cowboys vs. No. 5 Seahawks
  • No. 1 Saints vs. lowest seeded wild card winner
What changes:

While the 2019 Steelers weren’t very intimidating with Mason Rudolph and Devlin Hodges at the helm, the 2018 Steelers were different. They had a healthy Ben Roethlisberger and finished the season 9-6-1. Pittsburgh did beat New England in a pivotal Week 15 matchup, though knocking off the Patriots in Foxboro is a tall order.

The extra week of rest also helped the Patriots, a team with 41-year-old quarterback Tom Brady, better prepare for its postseason run. New England barely made Super Bowl 53 by pulling off a come-from-behind overtime win against the Chiefs in the AFC Championship. Even a little more wear and tear probably prevents that result from coming to fruition.

The Rams also got to the Super Bowl by the skin of their teeth. They needed a horribly blown call and overtime to beat the Saints in the NFC Championship. Can they do the same thing in this alternate universe after a wild card matchup against the Vikings two weeks prior? Probably not.

What stays the same:

Not a whole lot. The Saints and Chiefs were the two No. 1 seeds and cruised through the Divisional Round. That still happens here, but now they’re better positioned to actually win their respective conferences and make the Super Bowl.

With so many close overtime results, it’s likely that the teams with first-round byes would’ve reigned supreme. Kansas City vs. New Orleans is our new Super Bowl, a much more exciting matchup than the Patriots’ 13-3 snoozefest win over the Rams. We’ll give the Saints the edge due to experience.

Super Bowl 53 result: Saints beat the Chiefs

The Lions could’ve actually won a playoff game

Detroit hasn’t won a playoff game since January 1992. In the 28 years since, the Lions have lost on Wild Card Weekend eight times. If the NFL playoffs had 14 teams during the 2017 season, the Lions would’ve had a chance to snap that misfortunate streak.

What the new playoff bracket looks like:
AFC
  • No. 2 Steelers vs. No. 7 Ravens
  • No. 3 Jaguars vs. No. 6 Bills
  • No. 4 Chiefs vs. No. 5 Titans
  • No. 1 Patriots vs. lowest seeded wild card winner
NFC
  • No. 2 Vikings vs. No. 7 Lions
  • No. 3 Rams vs. No. 6 Falcons
  • No. 4 Saints vs. No. 5 Panthers
  • No. 1 Eagles vs. lowest seeded wild card winner
What changes:

Minnesota lost just three games in the 2017 season. Its only home loss was when the Lions came to town. Then, the Vikings got their revenge in Detroit on Thanksgiving.

In a 14-team postseason, the Vikings would’ve had to win a rubber match against Detroit. It could’ve been the Lions’ 10th consecutive playoff loss. But, hey, let’s throw them a bone and say they win. There’s a chance that changes a lot.
In the real timeline, Minnesota eliminated the Saints via a Minneapolis Miracle. Now New Orleans gets a home game against the seventh-seeded Lions. We’ll call that a ticket to the NFC Championship against the Eagles. That’s a hell of a matchup, but we’re still siding with Philadelphia’s Nick Foles magic.

What stays the same:

Just about everything else.

Even with a bye, the second-seeded teams didn’t have much success. The Vikings followed the Minneapolis Miracle by getting blown out in the NFC Championship. Pittsburgh didn’t even get through the Divisional Round.

The No. 1 seeds met in the Super Bowl, and there’s no reason to think that isn’t the case in this scenario too.

Super Bowl 52 result: Eagles beat the Patriots


Adding two more teams to the NFL playoffs would be a significant boost for No. 1 seeded teams, who become now the sole beneficiaries of a week off. However, the Ravens’ loss to the Titans in January is more than enough evidence that a first-round bye isn’t a free ticket to the Super Bowl.

Ultimately, the reshaped postseason could look a lot like the 12-team version the NFL has had for three decades. But even the little curveball of two more teams probably would’ve altered some recent Super Bowl results.
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Would have been different once again with a 17 game season so these scenarios mean nothing.
 
You're just watering down the playoffs even more. Unless there is expansion happening in the next few years it's nothing but the owners being the money hungry whores that they are. Before you know it they will be proposing 8 teams if you let this through.
 

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Chewy316 said:
There is absolutely no way that certain positions would have less years on their rookie deals than others. That is opening up an absolute minefield given that the average player in the league lasts no longer than 3 years in the system anyway. So to get a 4 year fully guaranteed deal, that's a major incentive to the majority of the players in the NFLPA. Maybe not so much the stars who would want to hit FA asap, but you have to cater for the bottom feeders too.
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Maybe not from the owners perspective because they are all just in it for a buck at the end of the day. But I agree with aussiedude that RBs are the ones getting ****ed the most by the current rookie deals, if any position have a reason to want change its them.

We already have differences in pay rates on franchise tags for different positions, I'm not sure why we couldnt have differences in rookie contract lengths also.

It's also not as great for the rbs as its made out to be like you said, if you fail to perform early you only get an initial 3 year deal so it's not like teams are going to be throwing money at you in free agency, but the ones that are game changers get rewarded earlier before they are run into the ground and replaced by a new rookie on another 4 year deal with team option

A player should be able to bet on himself if he so desires.

I'd like to see some sort of contract option for rookie rbs on signing where they can put their balls on the line if they want to, choose between a 3 year or 4 year deal with team option themselves.
 
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Still a good kicker, but seems like a reward contract given the money for his age. Bringing in kickers last summer to push him again helped.

Now Rus needs to get to work on the Bulaga and Clark deals. I know Clark is going to cost heaps.
 
Appearing on the Rich Eisen Show last week, ESPN's Adam Schefter stated he expects the Titans to "be in the mix" for impending free agent Tom Brady.
Schefter started out his Titans-Brady discussion by stating his colleague at ESPN, Jeff Darlington, "basically handicapped the Titans as the favorite right now." Per Schefter, Darlington ordered the likelihood of destinations as Titans No. 1, Raiders No. 2, and Patriots No. 3. Schefter added the Chargers to the discussion as a long shot. Brady has obvious connections to the Titans, having played with coach Mike Vrabel in New England, while GM Jon Robinson was a former Patriots executive. The Titans are also a playoff-ready team Brady would be looking for if he were to leave New England. The Titans' quarterback situation is fascinating, with both Ryan Tannehill and Marcus Mariota slated for free agency.
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SOURCE: Rich Eisen Show
Feb 24, 2020, 7:13 PM ET
 
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