List Mgmt. 2020 Trade and List Management Thread II

[Waussie]

There were punch ons in the hub
The environment was toxic
We have key witnesses (West Coke)
Yet nothing specific has leaked
Amazing


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"Punch on's"" toxic environment" wow! that's grown.

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

I've been thinking about the rebuild and players who are a good probability to be best 22 in a future finals tilt 3 years from now (hence the ages plus 3 years). I've bolded the player that have definitely shown enough promise to be best 22 provided no large set backs. I think Kyron, and perhaps Mahoney and Turner, have shown enough to be unlucky not to be bolded.

There is definitely a need to find a few tall prospects (McDonald would be amazing), particularly the time it takes them to develop. With a bit of luck we only need one more midfielder with x-factor.

I've underlined Comden (CHF or CHB) and Xerri (Ruck) as its still speculation that they can develop enough to adequately hold these difficult positions. Comden looked versatile enougg to be a third tall at either end in his draft videos, which is positive regardless of whether he becomes the main man.

When I look at the team in this perspective and think about the de-listings, I have absolutely no issues with strategy.

FB: Aiden Bonar (24), Ben Mckay (25), Kyron Hayden (24)
HB: Flynn Perez (22), Required, Luke McDonald (28)
C: Bailey Scott (23), Jed Anderson (29), Trent Dumont (28)
HF: Cameron Zurhaar (25), Charlie Comden (22), Taryn Thomas (23)
FF: Kayne Turner (27), Nick Larkey (25), Curtis Taylor (23)
Foll: Tristan Xerri (24), Jy Simpkin (25), Luke Davies-Uniacke (24)
Bench: Jack Mahoney (21), Ed Vickis Willis (27), Will Walker (24), Taylor Garner (29)

Emerg: Matt McGuinness (23)

Very close to retiring or maybe moved on: Ben Cunnington (32), Jack Ziebell (32), Shaun Atley (31)

Retired: Todd Goldstein (35), Robbie Tarrant (34), Shaun Higgins (35)

Unlikely to be with NMFC: Jared Polec (30), Ben Brown (30)

Selly's gap fillers: Josh Walker (30), Dom Tyson (30), Tom Campbell (31), Aaron Hall (32)

Good side but in that team at CHB Josh Walker would be in the first half dozen selected based on 2020 form.

Your side shows that if we can pick up 5-6 good kids/experienced players in the next 2 drafts we will be in good shape in 2023.

As you say Ruck and Key forward needed plus some additional quality running through the mids.

 

[Danni_Benson]

There were punch ons in the hub
The environment was toxic
We have key witnesses (West Coke)
Yet nothing specific has leaked
Amazing


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If this in fact happened surely Damo wouldn’t let this slide! He wouldn’t miss the opportunity to dig the boots in or has he and I missed it?

Are we sure this rubbish really happened?!

 

[shinboner magic]

If this in fact happened surely Damo wouldn’t let this slide! He wouldn’t miss the opportunity to dig the boots in or has he and I missed it?

Are we sure this rubbish really happened?!

Damo was to busy making up shit to get some actual news

 

[BlueandWhiteinmyBlood]

Mahoney is not a speedy small forward.

I’ve said this before, but Mahoney reminds me of Port Adelaides GOAT, Robbie Gray. Obviously a fair way to go to achieve what he has achieved but just in terms of being a high IQ old school footballer instead of an athletic freak. You know won’t break any records on the track in pre season but put a footy in front of them and something special happens. So as good as Robbie Gray is and as good as what I hope Mahoney can be, I agree his role won’t be a speedy small high pressure forward for us. We need someone else to do that.

 

[Carey4life]

Good side but in that team at CHB Josh Walker would be in the first half dozen selected based on 2020 form.

Your side shows that if we can pick up 5-6 good kids/experienced players in the next 2 drafts we will be in good shape in 2023.

As you say Ruck and Key forward needed plus some additional quality running through the mids.

100% on Walker. I've left him out, as I believe he was recruited to fill a need now.

With his age profile, he'll need to keep improving to strategically fill a key position role three years from now.

I actually think EVW and Taylor Garner would both need to improve a lot and consistently get on the park to realistically be in the plan as well, although I've left them on the bench for now.

The key point is that with some good development and player management the bones of a good young side are there!

 

[Tas]

Just on Comben, is there a line of thought that North think that they might have got the steal of last years draft, I get the feeling that internally there's a big rap on him?

From what I understand, the club rates him very highly. The reality is not everyone makes it for a variety of reasons, I think if we got Wright in and had Comben, Larkey and McDonald and Xerri you would be fairly confident that you could produce three top forwards, have some ruck coverage and the guy(s) that doesn't make it might turn into a Tarrant or McKay and become a really good key defender.

 

[Uber Roo]

If this in fact happened surely Damo wouldn’t let this slide! He wouldn’t miss the opportunity to dig the boots in or has he and I missed it?

Are we sure this rubbish really happened?!

Chill peeps
It was said in jest and hyperbole
Punch ons can also be verbal


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[So You Think]

From what I understand, the club rates him very highly. The reality is not everyone makes it for a variety of reasons, I think if we got Wright in and had Comben, Larkey and McDonald and Xerri you would be fairly confident that you could produce three top forwards, have some ruck coverage and the guy(s) that does make it might turn into a Tarrant or McKay and become a really good key defender.
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Seems quite a reasonable approach, Wright shouldn't cost much in the way of a trade (should almost be free) but might cost us some salary dollars which might be the reason for the lack of interest from other clubs with tight caps. If Adelaide take McDonald would you then take Thilthorpe?

 

[Kangaroo Cat]

Chill peeps
It was said in jest and hyperbole
Punch ons can also be verbal


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This is bigfooty

 

[Souup]

Game is moving away from lumbering tall forwards.

We need one, even two, crumbing forwards.

Totally disagree with this if you're referring to tall forwards generally. The AFL is not a one size fits all regarding forward set up.

Port Adelaide: Dixon, Marshall, Ladhams/Lycett (Butters, Rozee, Motlop, Amon)
West Coast: JJK, Darling, Allen, Waterman (Ryan, Cripps, Petrucelle, Rioli in previous years...)
Richmond: Riewoldt, Lynch, Chol (Rioli, Lambert, Castagna, Bolton, Edwards)
Brisbane: Hipwood, McStay, McInerny (Cameron, Rayner, Zorko, McCarthy)
St Kilda: King, Marshall/Ryder, Membrey (Lonie, Butler, Billings)
WBD: Naughton, Bruce (Wallis is the main small - otherwise they rotate their mids through more than any other side)
Collingwood: Mihocek, Cox (Elliot, Thomas, Hoskin-Elliot)
Geelong: Hawkins (Ablett, Dahlhaus, Miers, Rohan)

The only sides that played a smaller forward set-up throughout this year that made the top 8 were Geelong, Collingwood and Western Bulldogs. Most other sides play(ed) 3 talls, 1 of which was often the rotating ruckmen (assuming what we hope Comben becomes). West Coast play 4 due to Kennedy and Darling being so good at applying defensive pressure when the ball hits the deck. Is it a surprise that Geelong, Collingwood and Western Bulldogs are the 3 sides that are considered the least likely to go deep in finals? Maybe.

At the very least, what most tall forwards above do for their sides is contest and bring the ball to ground for their crumbers - something I agree we don't have and really need to prioritise. An example of this would be Brisbane who you could argue have the weakest 3 forwards of any team above - their strength is Cameron, McCarthy and Zorko (played a lot more forward this year) are bloody dangerous small forwards when the ball hits the deck and they lock it in.

A forward line of Larkey, McDonald and Comben has everything you could want in a mix of tall forwards. We just need to surround them with smaller forwards who can put on pressure. McDonald particularly is an extremely versatile forward because he works so hard up the field to consistently present an option on the lead in addition to being good in the air.

Tall forwards are definitely not a thing of the past.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Totally disagree with this if you're referring to tall forwards generally. The AFL is not a one size fits all regarding forward set up.

Port Adelaide: Dixon, Marshall, Ladhams/Lycett (Butters, Rozee, Motlop, Amon)
West Coast: JJK, Darling, Allen, Waterman (Ryan, Cripps, Petrucelle, Rioli in previous years...)
Richmond: Riewoldt, Lynch, Chol (Rioli, Lambert, Castagna, Bolton, Edwards)
Brisbane: Hipwood, McStay, McInerny (Cameron, Rayner, Zorko, McCarthy)
St Kilda: King, Marshall/Ryder, Membrey (Lonie, Butler, Billings)
WBD: Naughton, Bruce (Wallis is the main small - otherwise they rotate their mids through more than any other side)
Collingwood: Mihocek, Cox (Elliot, Thomas, Hoskin-Elliot)
Geelong: Hawkins (Ablett, Dahlhaus, Miers, Rohan)

The only sides that played a smaller forward set-up throughout this year that made the top 8 were Geelong, Collingwood and Western Bulldogs. Most other sides play(ed) 3 talls, 1 of which was often the rotating ruckmen (assuming what we hope Comben becomes). West Coast play 4 due to Kennedy and Darling being so good at applying defensive pressure when the ball hits the deck. Is it a surprise that Geelong, Collingwood and Western Bulldogs are the 3 sides that are considered the least likely to go deep in finals? Maybe.

At the very least, what most tall forwards above do for their sides is contest and bring the ball to ground for their crumbers - something I agree we don't have and really need to prioritise. An example of this would be Brisbane who you could argue have the weakest 3 forwards of any team above - their strength is Cameron, McCarthy and Zorko (played a lot more forward this year) are bloody dangerous small forwards when the ball hits the deck and they lock it in.

A forward line of Larkey, McDonald and Comben has everything you could want in a mix of tall forwards. We just need to surround them with smaller forwards who can put on pressure.

Tall forwards are definitely not a thing of the past.

I’ll refer you to the word ‘lumbering’.

 

[year of the roo]

Chill peeps
It was said in jest and hyperbole
Punch ons can also be verbal


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This post is pretty different to your previous one.

 

[Rooboy 96]

If this in fact happened surely Damo wouldn’t let this slide! He wouldn’t miss the opportunity to dig the boots in or has he and I missed it?

Are we sure this rubbish really happened?!

Does make you think bullshit


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[Uber Roo]

This post is pretty different to your previous one.

Yes it is
Because each day more and more is being said about the hub
Like I said; hyperbole
Sorry if you didn’t note the sarcasm


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[Tas]

100% on Walker. I've left him out, as I believe he was recruited to fill a need now.

With his age profile, he'll need to keep improving to strategically fill a key position role three years from now.

I actually think EVW and Taylor Garner would both need to improve a lot and consistently get on the park to realistically be in the plan as well, although I've left them on the bench for now.

The key point is that with some good development and player management the bones of a good young side are there!

I hope I am wrong, but I don't think EVW or Garner will make it. Will probably get one year deals and unless there is the miracle on grass seasons then they will probably be let go next year.

I think Walker is coverage for Tarrant/McKay/Corr. Tarrant comes out of contract next year, will be 32, will he go on or retire? We probably need to look at a couple of young key defenders over the next few years unless we can shake another Corr-like player out of the free agency tree.

 

[Samsquanch]

Damo was to busy making up sh*t to get some actual news

Plenty of made up shit here. Damo isn’t Robinson Crusoe.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Richmond, the bulldogs and Collingwood are showing why KPP's will be in demand come trade time.

 

[Phillyroo]

That's a fascinating story. Have you actually seen Hollands play?

Again, we seem to rate him a lot higher than most draft watchers, is he gettable at our pick 9 given his injury? Can anyone speak specifically about Hollands?

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have you seen him play??
Adelaide will probably take him 1st so it will be our of our hands.
He is the classiest player in their draft... by a lot.
He is big, fast, strong, great overhead, kicks goals, and is exactly what we have been screaming for.
There is ZERO chance he is there at 4 let alone 9.

 

[GreatBradScott]

By nature of everyone being up in each other's grill in the hub, including other clubs, some disagreements got aired and seen by others.

But fist fights ffs, it'd be front page if it happened.

 

[Psicosis]

Think after tonight’s result, the dogs will come sniffing around for Brown.

Shame they’re paying Bruce so much, but sending Naughton to the backline and playing Brown out of the square would help them imo.

 

[deano28]

Think after tonight’s result, the dogs will come sniffing around for Brown.

Shame they’re paying Bruce so much, but sending Naughton to the backline and playing Brown out of the square would help them imo.

Goldy would help them even more . Naughton is quality & should be played exclusively forward . Bruce was drafted and played at GWS as a CHB , id be more inclined to send him back and play English forward with small stints in the ruck . Bruce can play forward when they play us so he can kick his annual bag .

 

[Uber Roo]

Think after tonight’s result, the dogs will come sniffing around for Brown.

Shame they’re paying Bruce so much, but sending Naughton to the backline and playing Brown out of the square would help them imo.

Don’t forget they’re getting Jamara next year.
And would have no picks to trade as most be used on JUH, unless they can offer future picks


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[Snake_Baker]

Yep, we need to move out the dead wood and bring in speed.

 

[Fish Sticks]

Think after tonight’s result, the dogs will come sniffing around for Brown.

Shame they’re paying Bruce so much, but sending Naughton to the backline and playing Brown out of the square would help them imo.

They should be red hot on Brown... their style of play would suit Brown (much quicker ball movement & delivery in side 50)
We should be gunning for their first pick, which they will only be using for points anyway. Like we did with Polec
We could throw them some late picks to help them with JUH in exchange for their second rounder next year