List Mgmt. 2020 Trade and List Management Thread III

[King Corey]

Those saying that Treloar is a sh*t and/or arrogant bloke, are way off the mark.

Same things were being said about Higgins, before he arrived at North.

Higgins was a classy but injury prone player. My comments on here at the tIme when he was suggested: "could be a poor man's Shannon Grant

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Treloar is a butcher now, imagine him in our system?

 

[King Corey]

Good point.

If we pass up on a Buddy we’d never forgive ourselves.

The others we’d look like geniuses.

Depends what our risk appetite is I guess and what the trade looks like.

N.Riewoldt went alright though.

Matthew Lloyd too - u16 preselection equivalent to #1.

Cameron and Hawkins might've been in the frame in their respective years too if they were eligible.

 

[Devington]

Higgins was a classy but injury prone player. My comments on here at the tIme when he was suggested: "could be a poor man's Shannon Grant

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Treloar is a butcher now, imagine him in our system?

He'd go from a butcher to King of the Butchers.
I'm not sure that's better though...

 

[rickety]

He'd go from a butcher to King of the Butchers.
I'm not sure that's better though...

There's a line in there somewhere about a Shinboner ..... but it's been a long day

 

[Agenda 21]

Higgins was a classy but injury prone player. My comments on here at the tIme when he was suggested: "could be a poor man's Shannon Grant

Shannon Grant

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48

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180cm

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Treloar is a butcher now, imagine him in our system?

Yeah, I could. Ultra professional, ball magnet, gut runner, tough, bit lippy, quick.

So he has the capacity to butcher it, who doesn't?

We all loved Adam Simpson and Robert Scott, even with their deficiencies.

I'm not saying we need to get Treloar, but I'm baffled at the lack of support for him, as a player.

 

[Moti]

I have no issue with the club trading pick 2 if they think it will achieve a better result. McDonald doesn't appear to be a superstar from what I have seen, not in the same way the likes of Riewoldt, Franklin or the King brothers looked.

I also am quite bullish on next year. Other than an underwhelming forward line, I think our mids and backline could actually be quite good.

 

[New_Roo]

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I'm with you 100% big_e.
People are countering with "but we had one of the oldest list demographics and finished 17th. Which is true. That's what the 11 delistings were about countering and apart from the odd "I thought this player might have still given us something" nobody has really questioned that. Everyone is for rejuvenating the list.
What people don't support is getting rid of some of our best players for mediocre draft picks. How the hell does trading Ben Brown

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Ben Brown

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for a mid 20s pick in a compromised draft make us better? Perhaps for a high first rounder, but seriously? Mid second rounders are for Braydon Preuss

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type operators. If you could get a first rounder for Higgins of course you'd take it, but not something in the late twenties.

What you are missing is, we are getting rid of a player being bbb that we don't think is worth 850k and clearly neither does the mkt. the closest offer is 300k south of that


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[giantroo]

6 clubs trying to get up to nab him but he's not a superstar, LOL.

 

[BoomerRoo]

There is still a school of thought, Adelaide will take McDonald, either way, if we keep pick 2 (don't trade for multiple picks), we will have a terrific opportunity to pick a very good talent. Personally, I'm leaning to Hollands...... he's simply oozes class!

 

[New_Roo]

Thats right, and we will take logan mcdonald with pick 2

Remember lmac is a local too for the crows


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[Iva Bigun]

Seems everyone wants McDonald, the problem is Crows are a strong chance to take him at number one, the only way you can get him for sure is to go after Adelaide's pick. There would potentially be some play with us if Crows don't take McDonald then during the draft North could theoretically trade pick 2 for the guarantee of getting McDonald, I assume that would cost a premium though. At present if you were to trade for pick 2 there is a strong chance he wont be around at 2.

On the negative side, our club said it wasn't trading pick two, but if a deal was too good to refuse I am sure the club would consider it. At present we are looking at McDonald or Hollands I would imagine with pick two, DGB is another I rate highly. Going out of the top 3 imo is a potentially career ending move for a recruiter/list manager. I doubt they would take that risk unless the offer was considerable.



I agree, huge risk. GWS last year gave Adelaide their first round pick this year to move up from 6 to 4, it is likely going to be exponentially more expensive to go from 4 to 3 to 2 to 1 I would imagine. I think if a club is gun shy about it they probably shouldn't consider it.

McDonald did have an exceptional year in the WAFL, if he continues to develop at AFL level the same rate he would be someone you could build a premiership dynasty around. Martin's ability to perform on the big stage consistently has made what has been a pretty average Richmond team into a three time premiership team in the last four years. One player can totally change the prospects of a side if he is good enough.

A lot of kids do not make the transition, including a lot of number 1 picks. He does look like an exceptional talent though, it is not a surprise clubs like Essendon want to make a huge push to get hold of him as well. For clubs like Crows or us, who need a lot of talent all over the park, I can understand the appeal of turning one great pick into a few good picks, it is the kind of thing that only hindsight could say for sure if it was a good decision or not.



We said we aren't going to trade it, that is to say we aren't actively shopping it around, we want to go to the draft with the best draft hand we can get. We are not unlikely to trade it but you I am sure clubs would even trade pick 1 at the right price.



Phillips looks like a great kid and would love him at my club as well. That being said, with Rowell, Anderson and your midfield group I am not sure he will make an exceptional impact to your side, you are going to have 3 core mids who play 85% ToG, you will have two wing men and a bunch of flankers who rotate through the middle as well, who is he going to push out of the side and how much gain is it really going to provide the side over what you already have.

We have this issue with Higgins and our Anderson, great servants of the club but Simpkin and LDU are ready to go, Cunnington will be back next year, where are we going to play them? Addressing a weakness end turning into a strength will do a lot more than padding an area where you are already strong in imo.

Awesome reply, wish I could like it more than once

 

[ChoppyGun]

Higgins was a classy but injury prone player. My comments on here at the tIme when he was suggested: "could be a poor man's Shannon Grant

Shannon Grant

Age

48

Ht

180cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

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Last 5

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18.3

5star

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12.0

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6.3

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4.6

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1.6

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1.2

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D

11.2

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7.2

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4.0

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3.6

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1.2

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Treloar is a butcher now, imagine him in our system?

Go back 5 years I'd be interested in Treloar especially as he's basically been told to * off due to their own list stupidity. (good - they stuffed up being greedy)

Not for us now though. He is a really bad fit if we are cutting 25+ yo left right and centre.

ps; yes his skills won't improve with us!

 

[The Filth Wizard]

I have no issue with the club trading pick 2 if they think it will achieve a better result. McDonald doesn't appear to be a superstar from what I have seen, not in the same way the likes of Riewoldt, Franklin or the King brothers looked.

I also am quite bullish on next year. Other than an underwhelming forward line, I think our mids and backline could actually be quite good.

Really? IMO he's getting about the same buzz as Franklin was and even the Kings were behind Lukosius in KPF buzz, he's getting more than they were for sure.

Riewoldt is probably the only one that surpassed him and he was a prodigal talent at the time, clear number one.

 

[New_Roo]

We won’t have pick 2 we’re trading it to Gold Coast for pick 5 and there first round pick next year or multiple 2nd round picks


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[ChoppyGun]

Riewoldt is probably the only one that surpassed him and he was a prodigal talent at the time, clear number one.

Only because he's Tasmanian.

(he doesn't think that ; )

 

[Agenda 21]

If that was likely Collingwood wouldn’t be ******* him off.

We'll see, chich.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Yeah, I could. Ultra professional, ball magnet, gut runner, tough, bit lippy, quick.

So he has the capacity to butcher it, who doesn't?

We all loved Adam Simpson and Robert Scott, even with their deficiencies.

I'm not saying we need to get Treloar, but I'm baffled at the lack of support for him, as a player.

I'm with you. Can't understand the writing off of a gun footballer.

I also agree that he's not a good fit for us at this stage of his career on the money he's being paid. But he's a very good footballer, and seems like a decent bloke.

 

[Del191229]

If everyone is trying to blow us for pick 2 to secure a ‘generational forward’.

Then I’d like us to just draft the kid ourselves so I can actually enjoy watching him play.

If he's so freaking good, how is he being talked about as pick 2?

 

[krakouers]

If he's so freaking good, how is he being talked about as pick 2?

Lack of options?

 

[Agenda 21]

Pretty much every club has a good under 6ft forward pocket, who will snag 20+ goals. Who is ours?

Can't see Mahony or Turner doing it, but we're obviously willing to cut Mahony some slack.

Who can we target?

 

[The Filth Wizard]

If he's so freaking good, how is he being talked about as pick 2?

Well, he is being talked about as pick 1 as well, we've just got no f***ing idea what Adelaide are gonna do.

 

[New_Roo]

Pretty much every club has a good under 6ft forward pocket, who will snag 20+ goals. Who is ours?

Can't see Mahony or Turner doing it, but we're obviously willing to cut Mahony some slack.

Who can we target?

Schultz


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[shinboner magic]

Ok first things first.
Pies have dug their own grave with treloar and I hope we don’t go near him. Stephenson I’d take as a cap dump for a fourth rounder.
I’d rather we keep two and take the best player even at the risk of making a mistake.
Better than trading it to another club who might get a superstar - remember the godees trading two for Dyson and missing out on J.kelly

 

[ROORAGE]

What a fine display of prejudice built upon arrogance. You've got no idea of the bloke, but choose to air your own subjective perceptions with no awareness of the basis of your own opinions.

Exactly. No argument from me. I thought this was quite clear. You think he's a good fit do you? A fine upstanding citizen. He's a w***er. and not a good fit in any way shape or form for our club. Do you disagree? And absolutely i choose to air my subjective opinions about him just as you choose to air your opposition to them.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Pretty much every club has a good under 6ft forward pocket, who will snag 20+ goals. Who is ours?

Can't see Mahony or Turner doing it, but we're obviously willing to cut Mahony some slack.

Who can we target?

There are 3 out of contract cheap small forwards available in Schultz, Ronke and lonie