List Mgmt. 2020 Young Talent time

[Walkingwounded]

nic Nat

Fair call, he hasn’t lost much Agility or Leap.

 

[Monument Hills]

Fair call, he hasn’t lost much Agility or Leap.

not on Nic Nat particularly but the elephant in the room was that season 2020 was reduced in game number and length of game. These guys were prepped for 20 min quarters and only had to do 16. Neale made mention of how it affected scoring as noone was really fatiguing and slowing down dramatically which kept the defense solid all round (hence many much lower scores).

If they return to 20 min or even 18 min quarters, and increase the number of games (as the commentators say is where they make the money from the broadcasters), the seriously old teams like Geelong, and probably WC, are going to start having the Brisbanes and others run rings around them like what happened to us in 2016. The older blokes (we have more 30yos now than for years in the comp) will again start to struggle to keep up, and the reduced game time of the Nic nats will become a smaller % of total game time.

Likewise, I think our young team was buffered by the reduced game time so we didn't see the usual 'gold coast late year fade' so to speak and we managed to finish relatively strong.

Next year, we could see some interesting reversals of form if the games/quarter times increase.

 

[Bastyy]

Keanu Haddow and Brandon Walker both got 4th and 5th in East Freo's B&F count respectively, Finn Gorringe took home the medal.

15 year old Jed Hagan got second place

 

[nurries]

Keanu Haddow and Brandon Walker both got 4th and 5th in East Freo's B&F count respectively, Finn Gorringe took home the medal.

15 year old Jed Hagan got second place

Hagan is going to be a jet

 

[theGav56]

Hagan is going to be a jet

One who won’t be available to us.

 

[Joao]

One who won’t be available to us.

He might slip to 18...

 

[wayToGo_]

Some Vic club will draft Jed Hagan (those initials seem familiar for some reason?) and then we'll spend years dreaming about him coming home. Eventually we'll use an early first round pick and another decent pick, then realise he has some weird injury he needs to overcome before playing a game for us plus an alcohol/drug addiction and trade him out for a packet of peanuts after 2 years on our list.

#lookforwardtoit

 

[Dockeroo]

Some Vic club will draft Jed Hagan (those initials seem familiar for some reason?) and then we'll spend years dreaming about him coming home. Eventually we'll use an early first round pick and another decent pick, then realise he has some weird injury he needs to overcome before playing a game for us plus an alcohol/drug addiction and trade him out for a packet of peanuts after 2 years on our list.

#lookforwardtoit

What draft range is Van Rooyen projecting next year?

 

[Ysaye]

What draft range is Van Rooyen projecting next year?

Currently 10-20 is where people have him. Next year has some super midfield talent which will go first.

 

[Dockeroo]

Currently 10-20 is where people have him. Next year has some super midfield talent which will go first.

An option this year would to trade out pick 32 on draft night for a future second and say pick 50 this year.
then just take one decent player at pick 12, match walker and western, and for once, have a full draft hand in 2021 plus an extra second rounder. That would give us a shot at trading for Van Rooyen (or another prospect in a string draft) if he ended up top 10 and we wanted him.

 

[eastfreo75]

An option this year would to trade out pick 32 on draft night for a future second and say pick 50 this year.
then just take one decent player at pick 12, match walker and western, and for once, have a full draft hand in 2021 plus an extra second rounder. That would give us a shot at trading for Van Rooyen (or another prospect in a string draft) if he ended up top 10 and we wanted him.

counter productive.

Our 2021 second pick will have a points reduction on it.

Plus clubs will try to hold to their 2021 picks pretty tightly.

Best we can do is downgrade pick 32 for two lower picks that nets extra points.

 

[Dockeroo]

counter productive.

Our 2021 second pick will have a points reduction on it.

Plus clubs will try to hold to their 2021 picks pretty tightly.

Best we can do is downgrade pick 32 for two lower picks that nets extra points.

I’m not so sure it will have a points deficit. You must be expecting the bids to come in pretty early? I should hope the club has a method of avoiding a points deficit this time. That’s why the GWS pick 73 would have been useful in the Hogan deal. It will come in to pick 60 odd on draft night and a handy extra 100 points or so.

 

[Docker82]

I’m not so sure it will have a points deficit. You must be expecting the bids to come in pretty early? I should hope the club has a method of avoiding a points deficit this time. That’s why the GWS pick 73 would have been useful in the Hogan deal. It will come in to pick 60 odd on draft night and a handy extra 100 points or so.

I honestly think the club will do another pick swap closer to draft night. Could even happen next week.

Pick 32 is still a bit late to be safe in regards to being before a Walker bid imo. Hard to say whether Pick 32 will be higher or lower on draft night. Will probably seem clear by the start of draft night tbh.

It’d be great to move Pick 32 into the early 20s and get ourselves another pick in the third round. Would most likely involve trading our future second rounder but may be best to do the trade draft night so we basically know which player we’re upgrading for.

Whether we do this sort of trade probably also depends on how we rate the second round next year compared to this year and whether we rate our NGA players for next year around that mark.

 

[eastfreo75]

I’m not so sure it will have a points deficit. You must be expecting the bids to come in pretty early? I should hope the club has a method of avoiding a points deficit this time. That’s why the GWS pick 73 would have been useful in the Hogan deal. It will come in to pick 60 odd on draft night and a handy extra 100 points or so.

I'm not sure about Western or Walker. A lot of mock drafts or power rankings have very different ratings on both players. Early bids will put us into deficit.

Next year is a great draft and want to keep all our picks.

In fact, I would like for us to trade pick 12 for future picks.

Not sure why pick 73 wasn't part of the deal for Hogan.

 

[Hazelsnuts]

I'm not sure about Western or Walker. A lot of mock drafts or power rankings have very different ratings on both players. Early bids will put us into deficit.

Next year is a great draft and want to keep all our picks.

In fact, I would like for us to trade pick 12 for future picks.

Not sure why pick 73 wasn't part of the deal for Hogan.

Someone said it before....sorry I can’t remember who.
Once GWS have sorted the Cameron, Caldwell trades - they should have surplus picks to list places of which they can’t have on draft night - hopefully expect other picks to come our way at the death knell of the trade period

 

[eastfreo75]

Someone said it before....sorry I can’t remember who.
Once GWS have sorted the Cameron, Caldwell trades - they should have surplus picks to list places of which they can’t have on draft night - hopefully expect other picks to come our way at the death knell of the trade period

Is the Hogan trade still in principle?

 

[Hazelsnuts]

Is the Hogan trade still in principle?

Dunno, but I hope we have something to that effect of junk coming back when the real trades are done and dusted.

 

[eastfreo75]

Dunno, but I hope we have something to that effect of junk coming back when the real trades are done and dusted.

One junk pick like 73 would help a lot.

The junk pick is more important to us than the Giants.

 

[Patty_Moz]

Unfortunately Walker and Western couldn’t be further from what we need right now. Another medium hbf and a small mid whose disposal is a weakness are not needed at all. I have no issues if we don’t match bids on those 2 especially if the bids are early.

Kpf’s, medium fwd/mids and rucks or fwd/rucks are what we need. The attachment to nga’s is negligible for me especially if the result is a point deficit.

 

[Dockeroo]

Someone said it before....sorry I can’t remember who.
Once GWS have sorted the Cameron, Caldwell trades - they should have surplus picks to list places of which they can’t have on draft night - hopefully expect other picks to come our way at the death knell of the trade period

Surely Bell would have said something to that effect in the interviews over the last day or two? Would be amazed if that happened.

 

[Bring back Drum]

Surely Bell would have said something to that effect in the interviews over the last day or two? Would be amazed if that happened.

I would suggest the paperwork’s been lodged, if that’s the case we would have to create a new trade of pick swaps.

 

[Docker82]

Unfortunately Walker and Western couldn’t be further from what we need right now. Another medium hbf and a small mid whose disposal is a weakness are not needed at all. I have no issues if we don’t match bids on those 2 especially if the bids are early.

Kpf’s, medium fwd/mids and rucks or fwd/rucks are what we need. The attachment to nga’s is negligible for me especially if the result is a point deficit.

Would’ve thought two speedy players who we can potentially develop into wingers fit our needs quite nicely.

For all the talk we’ve got a lot of good young mids, our midfield was smashed every second week. Lack of speed was a large part of that.

The ‘needs’ you’ve come up with bar the medium forwards are very much depth/long term development options. It has to happen for us to achieve sustained success but if it doesn’t happen this year it’s far from the end of the world.

 

[Patty_Moz]

Would’ve thought two speedy players who we can potentially develop into wingers fit our needs quite nicely.

For all the talk we’ve got a lot of good young mids, our midfield was smashed every second week. Lack of speed was a large part of that.

The ‘needs’ you’ve come up with bar the medium forwards are very much depth/long term development options. It has to happen for us to achieve sustained success but if it doesn’t happen this year it’s far from the end of the world.

Fair call if you see speed as a deficiency but I don’t really get this logic. Let’s take 2 players and because they’re quick and they’ll be wingers at afl level, even though they haven’t been wingers in juniors. If they weren’t linked to us through nga no one would be mentioning them as great pick ups for us. Great if we are able to do that but to me it seems unlikely.

Also I agree with you that what I think we need are long term options but that’s exactly why I think we should be starting to target these areas now and fill the gaps.

 

[Walkingwounded]

Given the clubs requirement for developing KPF, at what stage or draft range does Baldwin become of interest.

Or will he go to a club with 2 picks in the first round?

Or if he lasts to our second pick (mid 30s) does he become an option. Our record with injured players isn’t good, but his character seems quite strong and on Talent he was in Top 5 conversation at the start of the year.

Or Don’t recruit as our SC Dept is hopeless and can’t fix it!

Callow, Ollie Lord will also most likely be available around the mid 30s

All are your typical athletic lead up forwards, or should we look at the 200cm types in the FWD/Ruck mold like Shannon Neale.

 

[Vimal Anand]

knightmare 's methodology in valuing KPPs in draft ranking....

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