List Mgmt. 2020 Young Talent time

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and do Avery's stats flatter his ability...or is he a very good prospect?

 

[Scham]

It wasn’t the game that Western would’ve been hoping for but does it affect his draft? Where does the bid come?

 

[Joao]

It wasn’t the game that Western would’ve been hoping for but does it affect his draft? Where does the bid come?

25-50 and more likely towards the 50 from what most on here say. Twomey says there is some interest early though so you never know.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

It wasn’t the game that Western would’ve been hoping for but does it affect his draft? Where does the bid come?

Doubt it, thought he was still good and it was a pretty typical Western game anyway. Fast, clean and slick hands with a bit of dash and kicking hit and miss. Wouldn’t have risen or fallen I don’t think

 

[wayToGo_]

AFL recruiters would be stark raving mad not to give Vanirsen an opportunity on an AFL list.

List sizes might hurt him getting an opportunity. Can see him being solid at League level and eventually getting an opportunity - seems to have a really good work ethic. I always reference examples like Banfield -> carves it up as an inside mid at WAFL level but at AFL level... ummm.

 

[apuchar]

and do Avery's stats flatter his ability...or is he a very good prospect?
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Seems a rookie possibility to me as he shows something but has a fair bit to work on. Decision-making being the main thing and iirc his kicking wasn't great. Pretty poor performance, overall, by Claremont so it may have made him look worse than he is.

 

[Scham]

List sizes might hurt him getting an opportunity. Can see him being solid at League level and eventually getting an opportunity - seems to have a really good work ethic. I always reference examples like Banfield -> carves it up as an inside mid at WAFL level but at AFL level... ummm.

I get what you’re saying but don’t think Banfield is a good example to use. Vanirsen is a footballer, Banfield isn’t.

Vanirsen seems to have it all bar elite athleticism. He’d be great depth at the very least imo.

 

[Dockeroo]

I get what you’re saying but don’t think Banfield is a good example to use. Vanirsen is a footballer, Banfield isn’t.

Vanirsen seems to have it all bar elite athleticism. He’d be great depth at the very least imo.

Haven’t heard much about the kid at all. But I love the sound of a footballer who doesnt have great athleticism as opposed to the opposite. Paul Hazelby was a lot like that. Duffield also. He might be worth a rookie spot no?

 

[sdfc]

I get what you’re saying but don’t think Banfield is a good example to use. Vanirsen is a footballer, Banfield isn’t.

Vanirsen seems to have it all bar elite athleticism. He’d be great depth at the very least imo.

I've seen a lot of Lachie Vanirsen over the years in juniors and now in colts. He's a leader who lifts himself to whatever level of footy he's playing at. Banfield could only dream about kicking the footy like Lachie.

 

[wayToGo_]

I get what you’re saying but don’t think Banfield is a good example to use. Vanirsen is a footballer, Banfield isn’t.

Vanirsen seems to have it all bar elite athleticism. He’d be great depth at the very least imo.

I possibly should have used another example but I still think people forget Banfield as a 19yo winning Claremont's B&F (at League level, not Colts) and are now judging him based on how he has performed at AFL level in that half forward role that countless footy careers have gone to die They've also forgotten the plaudits he got in that tagging role Ross used him in.

A lot has to go right for you to make it at AFL level and plenty of solid midfielders won't make it at AFL level because there are only so many mid spots and the majority don't have the versatility to play other roles instead. I like Vanirsen but I don't think he has the ceiling to displace any of our current young mids nor is he probably going to add something to our forward line. Let him develop at WAFL, see how he goes at senior level and then grab him as a mature ager.

 

[Scham]

Haven’t heard much about the kid at all. But I love the sound of a footballer who doesnt have great athleticism as opposed to the opposite. Paul Hazelby was a lot like that. Duffield also. He might be worth a rookie spot no?

Definitely worth a spot on someone’s list imo.

 

[Ysaye]

I get what you’re saying but don’t think Banfield is a good example to use. Vanirsen is a footballer, Banfield isn’t.

Vanirsen seems to have it all bar elite athleticism. He’d be great depth at the very least imo.

What happens with AFL drafting is cut throat and arguably unfair Scham, but Varnirsen didn't even get a combine invite even with the last minute extra invites, so I think it is highly unlikely he even gets drafted (the stats on non-combine invites getting drafted are really very poor). Chris Walker who is an athlete more than a footballer is more likely to get drafted, which I get is not fair on those who are footballers; that is just the way it is.

 

[Dockeroo]

What happens with AFL drafting is cut throat and arguably unfair Scham, but Varnirsen didn't even get a combine invite even with the last minute extra invites, so I think it is highly unlikely he even gets drafted (the stats on non-combine invites getting drafted are really very poor). Chris Walker who is an athlete more than a footballer is more likely to get drafted, which I get is not fair on those who are footballers; that is just the way it is.

That’s says a lot about the state of the game of AFL footy then doesn’t it. Athletes are evidently more effective than footballers at generating team success at AFL level.

 

[Taylor]

Being an athlete is an important part of being a footballer.

Unfortunately it's also the area you probably have least control over, you can work hard and get a bit better and the guy who was born with the height and speed will rocket past you and win the ball.

I notice most "footballers" tend to be at the stoppages, because it's the last place a slow player can play without being torn apart by a faster opponent. Eventually there won't be a place there either.

I'm sure basketball used to be the same, where highly skilled players could hold their place in the teams. Then players with more athleticism allowing them to win those contests came in and pushed them out, then those athletes with the first players skills pushed out the second.

With access to a global pool of talent we will have forty four six foot six and above players sprinting at 37km/h and clearing 18km a game.

 

[OWAAT69]

....Would anyone have available the WAFL State 16s squad for 2020 ? apologies if listed in here already, couldn't find on WA football website or their social media platforms.

 

[theGav56]

Posters here rave about Freddy and whinge about athletes over footballers in the same breath.

 

[Walkingwounded]

Posters here rave about Freddy and whinge about athletes over footballers in the same breath.

Wouldn’t it be nice if we could have both!

Footballers will always find the pigskin.

Athletes have the potential to sometimes find it faster.

It’s about potential... bird in the hand v 2 in the bush!

 

[theGav56]

Wouldn’t it be nice if we could have both!

Footballers will always find the pigskin.

Athletes have the potential to sometimes find it faster.

Fully agree.

 

[Dockeroo]

Posters here rave about Freddy and whinge about athletes over footballers in the same breath.

I think that Freddy showed a good knack of finding the ball this season. He got into a lot of decent positions, suggesting a reasonable level of footy smarts. He was very fumbly at times but that will be an easy fix with time and maturity, I would hope. To me it’s the decision making of Mundy with ball in hand that is such a valuable trait at AFL level, and also a very hard trait to pick out when drafting kids. Serong seems to have the potential to be Mundy-like in his ball use under pressure in the midfield which is really promising. It’s hard to find guys like that.

 

[Scham]

What happens with AFL drafting is cut throat and arguably unfair Scham, but Varnirsen didn't even get a combine invite even with the last minute extra invites, so I think it is highly unlikely he even gets drafted (the stats on non-combine invites getting drafted are really very poor). Chris Walker who is an athlete more than a footballer is more likely to get drafted, which I get is not fair on those who are footballers; that is just the way it is.

Yeah I get that’s how it works but I still maintain that they (recruiters) will be mad if they don’t give this bloke a go.

 

[theGav56]

I think that Freddy showed a good knack of finding the ball this season. He got into a lot of decent positions, suggesting a reasonable level of footy smarts. He was very fumbly at times but that will be an easy fix with time and maturity, I would hope. To me it’s the decision making of Mundy with ball in hand that is such a valuable trait at AFL level, and also a very hard trait to pick out when drafting kids. Serong seems to have the potential to be Mundy-like in his ball use under pressure in the midfield which is really promising. It’s hard to find guys like that.

All of those players have some elite traits that can be useful onfield. For Frederick it is speed, for Mundy and Serong a comparative lack of speed is somewhat nullified by a bundle of things we'd call footy smarts. I think the athletes can and do bridge the footy smarts divide quite often, but when it fails it's embarrassing.

 

[summerthebat]

If you're getting drafted in the later rounds or through the rookie draft, you clearly have a identifiable weakness in your game and clubs will be able to identify what they have had success with in the past in what they can improve in those players.

A player that is defensively or structurally inexperienced can be taught fundamentals that they necessarily didn't have as a junior. Work-rate & stamina is another clubs can train into players... take Walters for example. He was ranked very highly by some scouts/pundits, I think Emma Quayle had him top 10? But his footspeed and work-rate were a defined weakness, but we managed to work on his stamina. JLO has consistently said about Frederick this season that he just needs to learn patterns, game-plans and structures, which are attributes that the club clearly feels they can build into him.

Kicking, foot speed, decision making and contested marking are skills that can only be improved marginally.

 

[theGav56]

If you're getting drafted in the later rounds or through the rookie draft, you clearly have a identifiable weakness in your game and clubs will be able to identify what they have had success with in the past in what they can improve in those players.

A player that is defensively or structurally inexperienced can be taught fundamentals that they necessarily didn't have as a junior. Work-rate & stamina is another clubs can train into players... take Walters for example. He was ranked very highly by some scouts/pundits, I think Emma Quayle had him top 10? But his footspeed and work-rate were a defined weakness, but we managed to work on his stamina. JLO has consistently said about Frederick this season that he just needs to learn patterns, game-plans and structures, which are attributes that the club clearly feels they can build into him.

Kicking, foot speed, decision making and contested marking are skills that can only be improved marginally.

I am hoping Frederick can improve his footskills. He looks like he has pretty good basic ability but is a bit inconsistent. Simplifying the thought process may allow him to have a bit more time. Love to have both Sturt and Henry being dangerous from 50+

 

[Cesoir]

If you're getting drafted in the later rounds or through the rookie draft, you clearly have a identifiable weakness in your game and clubs will be able to identify what they have had success with in the past in what they can improve in those players.

A player that is defensively or structurally inexperienced can be taught fundamentals that they necessarily didn't have as a junior. Work-rate & stamina is another clubs can train into players... take Walters for example. He was ranked very highly by some scouts/pundits, I think Emma Quayle had him top 10? But his footspeed and work-rate were a defined weakness, but we managed to work on his stamina. JLO has consistently said about Frederick this season that he just needs to learn patterns, game-plans and structures, which are attributes that the club clearly feels they can build into him.

Kicking, foot speed, decision making and contested marking are skills that can only be improved marginally.

Is that you Ross?

 

[summerthebat]

Is that you Ross?

You're quite brilliant Cesoir