List Mgmt. 2020 Young Talent time

[DragoDelph]

Still can’t get over this

 

[Monument Hills]

Still can’t get over this

cool shot, and already injured. Would fit right in at Freo

 

[Chris25]

Interesting that Corey Durdin said we've shown a fair bit of interest in him.

I'd be fairly confident in saying he'll be a better player than the majority of our sub 180cm players, he's been a star junior for a few years now. But surely we wouldn't add both Western and Durdin - even though I rate Durdin higher.

 

[Joose]

Interesting that Corey Durdin said we've shown a fair bit of interest in him.

I'd be fairly confident in saying he'll be a better player than the majority of our sub 180cm players, he's been a star junior for a few years now. But surely we wouldn't add both Western and Durdin - even though I rate Durdin higher.

Adding 2 x 175cm players in one draft when we are crying out for KPFs would be the most Fremantle thing ever.

I fully expect it to happen.

 

[Scham]

Adding 2 x 175cm players in one draft when we are crying out for KPFs would be the most Fremantle thing ever.

I fully expect it to happen.

We're equally as desperate for quality small forwards imo.

 

[Joose]

We're equally as desperate for quality small forwards imo.

I dont see it that way - Henry, Walters, Schultz, Switta - then add Western. Thats plenty.
KPFs - Taberner and then Lobb ( part time ruck ) and perhaps Cox who plays better in defence.
If they draft another shorty to go with Western I will lose my sh!t.

 

[Chris25]

We're equally as desperate for quality small forwards imo.

Quality is the key word there.

At some point, your small forwards have to actually kick goals.

 

[nurries]

Quality is the key word there.

At some point, your small forwards have to actually kick goals.

100%

 

[Joose]

Chris25 - can you explain to me why we HAVE to match a bid on Western? The guy is 172cm. Very few players of that size make it in the modern game.

We need tall forwards and a developing ruck goddamit.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Chris25 - can you explain to me why we HAVE to match a bid on Western? The guy is 172cm. Very few players of that size make it in the modern game.

We need tall forwards and a developing ruck goddamit.

I don't have a ruck on our list of needs, and a tall forward is not a pressing need.


If he is quality, height it not too critical.

Personally, I believe a small forward plus a forward flanker should be drafted before a key forwards, and then maybe a key forward\ruck late if one slips.

 

[Bastyy]

Interesting that Corey Durdin said we've shown a fair bit of interest in him.

I'd be fairly confident in saying he'll be a better player than the majority of our sub 180cm players, he's been a star junior for a few years now. But surely we wouldn't add both Western and Durdin - even though I rate Durdin higher.

We've also reportedly shown interest in Seamus Mitchell, so we're definitely looking for some forward quality.

 

[Scham]

We've also reportedly shown interest in Seamus Mitchell, so we're definitely looking for some forward quality.

Any word of us showing interest in Brockman, Gay or Bedendo?

 

[Joose]

I don't have a ruck on our list of needs, and a tall forward is not a pressing need.


If he is quality, height it not too critical.

Personally, I believe a small forward plus a forward flanker should be drafted before a key forwards, and then maybe a key forward\ruck late if one slips.

Tall forward is most definately a pressing need. If Tabs goes down then we are left with what?- stop gap measures like Lobb who has never excelled in the position or Cox who prefers to be a defender. Sorry to sound like a broken gramaphone recording but I cannot see how anybody can look past the glaring imbalance in our list.

 

[Bastyy]

Any word of us showing interest in Brockman, Gay or Bedendo?

Haven't heard anything about them no, there was an article about WC showing interest in Brockman but that's as far as my knowledge goes

Tall forward is most definately a pressing need. If Tabs goes down then we are left with what?- stop gap measures like Lobb who has never excelled in the position or Cox who prefers to be a defender. Sorry to sound like a broken gramaphone recording but I cannot see how anybody can look past the glaring imbalance in our list.

If Tabs goes down and we're relying on an 18 year old that we picked on the 4th round we're still pretty screwed either way. Fyfe will be playing as a tall forward next year too I think you've forgotten

 

[Joose]

Haven't heard anything about them no, there was an article about WC showing interest in Brockman but that's as far as my knowledge goes


If Tabs goes down and we're relying on an 18 year old that we picked on the 4th round we're still pretty screwed either way. Fyfe will be playing as a tall forward next year too I think you've forgotten

Getting an 18 yo now means putting games into them now, That is what the word "development" means. To take advantage of our booming midfield talent we have to develop a concurrent forward talent. Its called balance. The alternative is to be forever waiting for a CHF to drop into our lap.

With regard to Fyfe, yes he will go forward next year, but there goes our best clearance mid and he is not far off 30 anyway.

This is why I advocate taking a punt on Neale for our first and taking a punt on Kolar instead of Western. Both Neale and Kolar are superb athletes with huge potential and Neale ticks two boxes - ruck as well as KPF.

Who dares wins.

 

[Superkoops]

Tall forward is most definately a pressing need. If Tabs goes down then we are left with what?- stop gap measures like Lobb who has never excelled in the position or Cox who prefers to be a defender. Sorry to sound like a broken gramaphone recording but I cannot see how anybody can look past the glaring imbalance in our list.

Cox will play where he can get a game. He played all his football from 2017 up until end of 2019 as a forward. Cox may well play back to start the season - competing against Logue and Pearce (and potentially all three could play together). My info is Hamling is a little later (not too far back) and when Hamling is back someone (likely Cox) can play fwd. Fyfe is training to spend more time forward and I expect Mundy to do so. Both whilst not KPF are 192cm and same height as Pav and taller that Jack Darling

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Jack Darling

Age

33

Ht

191cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.4

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

14.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

4.0

5star

G

1.4

5star

.

If Cox (draft version) isn’t available I hope we end up with one of these exciting mid forwards like Perkins, Cook or Henry. Henry in particular I like. I think they are all a good size around 188-190cm (similar height to Sam Sturt

1

Sam Sturt

Age

26

Ht

190cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.7

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.7

2star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.7

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.3

3star

T

1.0

3star

G

1.3

5star

) and I think a good dynamic to have in our forward line. Henry for eg whilst only around 188cm has outstanding hands and a leap that allows him to play taller than he is.

These project ruck/fwds you have mentioned would be a good developing addition to the list (certainly not at pick 12-15) but a need none the less. But they are in no way ready to step up to KPF as a 1st year player.

 

[Joose]

Cox will play where he can get a game. He played all his football from 2017 up until end of 2019 as a forward. Cox may well play back to start the season - competing against Logue and Pearce (and potentially all three could play together). My info is Hamling is a little later (not too far back) and when Hamling is back someone (likely Cox) can play fwd. Fyfe is training to spend more time forward and I expect Mundy to do so. Both whilst not KPF are 192cm and same height as Pav and taller that Jack Darling

27

Jack Darling

Age

33

Ht

191cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.4

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

14.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

4.0

5star

G

1.4

5star

.

If Cox (draft version) isn’t available I hope we end up with one of these exciting mid forwards like Perkins, Cook or Henry. Henry in particular I like. I think they are all a good size around 188-190cm (similar height to Sam Sturt

1

Sam Sturt

Age

26

Ht

190cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.7

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.7

2star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.7

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.3

3star

T

1.0

3star

G

1.3

5star

) and I think a good dynamic to have in our forward line. Henry for eg whilst only around 188cm has outstanding hands and a leap that allows him to play taller than he is.

These project ruck/fwds you have mentioned would be a good developing addition to the list (certainly not at pick 12-15) but a need none the less. But they are in no way ready to step up to KPF as a 1st year player.

We are in a situation where we have to look past 2021. For sure Fyfe, Cox and Mundy will provide adequate cover for next year. But if we dont act now we will lose another year in developing young talls. There needs to be some foresight and long term planning.

In the past our planning seems to have been to draft "best available" and satisfy needs by trading. It has not worked. Clubs do not let talented talls go unless there is a problem with them. They are as rare as rocking horse poo compared to generic mids, HFFs and HBFs. That is why we have to get brave and think outside the box.

 

[theGav56]

I don't have a ruck on our list of needs, and a tall forward is not a pressing need.


If he is quality, height it not too critical.

Personally, I believe a small forward plus a forward flanker should be drafted before a key forwards, and then maybe a key forward\ruck late if one slips.

Longmuir has identified ruck (forward/ruck) as an area of need, and since then we have lost tall forwards. Neale shapes well for that.

Western is not a small forward. He is a small midfielder. He does have pace and skill, but it would be an ambitious prediction that he can make it in that role at AFL level. We also have Giro, Crowden, Serong and Henry as shortarese midfield options.

As a late pick I am fine with adding him, but unless we manage to grab Cox with the first pick I would grab a tall before him. Lord seems praiseworthy in that regard.

 

[Joose]

Longmuir has identified ruck (forward/ruck) as an area of need, and since then we have lost tall forwards. Neale shapes well for that.

Western is not a small forward. He is a small midfielder. He does have pace and skill, but it would be an ambitious prediction that he can make it in that role at AFL level. We also have Giro, Crowden, Serong and Henry as shortarese midfield options.

As a late pick I am fine with adding him, but unless we manage to grab Cox with the first pick I would grab a tall before him. Lord seems praiseworthy in that regard.

Amen brother. The Lord is always praiseworthy

 

[Superkoops]

We are in a situation where we have to look past 2021. For sure Fyfe, Cox and Mundy will provide adequate cover for next year. But if we dont act now we will lose another year in developing young talls. There needs to be some foresight and long term planning.

In the past our planning seems to have been to draft "best available" and satisfy needs by trading. It has not worked. Clubs do not let talented talls go unless there is a problem with them. They are as rare as rocking horse poo compared to generic mids, HFFs and HBFs. That is why we have to get brave and think outside the box.

I’m not in the camp we don’t need a developing forward ruck but I’m sure the days of reaching for a certain player are well gone with Walls in charge. I like Shannon Neale and Kane but neither are even close to top 20.

There will be some very good talent available at 15 where we will likely select our first pick not reaching 20plus positions. Just crazy.

We select best available at first round pick. From there if there are reasonable bid locations for Walker / Western we match and position ourselves as best as possible to have a selection around mid 40 or earlier to select a fourth player. Keep a spot available on the rookie list for the supplementary selection period to trial some KPF along with Dixon for that last rookie spot.

Peter Bell seemed to mention Haddow a lot more than Chris Walker but one of them a good chance for the second cat-B rookie spot with Thomas.

 

[Taylor]

Would you think Serong would be a better player if he was also so fast that he might be the fastest player in our squad?

That could be Western. Just imagine Serong winning the hard ball, flicking it off to Joel on the move and he has the whole field ahead of him to bomb it long to Mitch Crowden who started in the goal square.

I get that we need a tall marking option, take that player with pick #12.

 

[wayToGo_]

JLo did say we needed a forward/ruck before we got rid of all our KPF stocks. Priorities may have changed.

 

[Taylor]

We still only have Brennan Cox

36

Brennan Cox

Age

27

Ht

195cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.1

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

5.3

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

182.8

3star

D

12.3

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.0

2star

MG

182.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

as cover for Rory Lobb

7

Rory Lobb

Age

33

Ht

207cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.4

4star

MG

174.6

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

MG

228.6

3star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.8

5star

MG

133.0

3star

as the forward/ruck.

 

[Cesoir]

We still only have Brennan Cox

36

Brennan Cox

Age

27

Ht

195cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.1

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

5.3

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

182.8

3star

D

12.3

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.0

2star

MG

182.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

as cover for Rory Lobb

7

Rory Lobb

Age

33

Ht

207cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.4

4star

MG

174.6

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

MG

228.6

3star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.8

5star

MG

133.0

3star

as the forward/ruck.

Lloyd Meek will come on in leaps and bounds this year and put the argument to bed.

* He said with fingers and toes crossed.

 

[wayToGo_]

We still only have Brennan Cox

36

Brennan Cox

Age

27

Ht

195cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.1

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

5.3

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

182.8

3star

D

12.3

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.0

2star

MG

182.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

as cover for Rory Lobb

7

Rory Lobb

Age

33

Ht

207cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.4

4star

MG

174.6

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

MG

228.6

3star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.8

5star

MG

133.0

3star

as the forward/ruck.

And we still only have Brennan Cox

36

Brennan Cox

Age

27

Ht

195cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.1

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

5.3

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

182.8

3star

D

12.3

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.0

2star

MG

182.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

as cover for KPFs

We also have Lloyd Meek as a ruck backup. And although I don't like the idea Tabs is a break glass in case of emergency to pinch hit.