List Mgmt. 2021 Draft picks: 4/33/75

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thanks to Lore as always

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[Mutineer]

Pick 3 baby

For the player that will likely be considered the 4th best prospect on paper behind Daicos, Darcy and Horne?

 

[GrommoT]

I like the way that sounds

Our game with Hawks will now be like

 

[GrommoT]

For the player that will likely be considered the 4th best prospect on paper behind Daicos, Darcy and Horne?

This was always going to be our best outcome (draft wise). Does give us the opportunity to profit by trading down if a club with a similar pick but is desperate for pick 2.

 

[Brett Cummings]

For the player that will likely be considered the 4th best prospect on paper behind Daicos, Darcy and Horne?

hopefully horne interviews like garbage at the roos.

 

[Geoffa32]

What are the odds North take someone else?

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[Mutineer]

What are the odds North take someone else?

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1,000/1

 

[Peter Doherty]

If we did end up with pick 2, what would it take to trade up to pick 1?

 

[Golumless]

See what happens I guess.


We should beat Hawthorn. The other games we are legitimately no chance.

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I wouldn't sleep on the West Coast game either, seeing it's at home and they are a thoroughly average team at the moment. If we bring the game we brought against Melbourne, or Geelong, it's certainly winnable.

No chance for the Melbourne, Dogs or Port game seeing either it's away from home or the home ground advantage is neutralised and really, we're not at a stage where we can compete with the big boys away from Adelaide.

 

[cmndstab]

The Round 21 clash between Hawthorn and Collingwood looms as very interesting now!

 

[1990crow]

The Round 21 clash between Hawthorn and Collingwood looms as very interesting now!

Especially if we lose to Hawks

 

[Geoffa32]

I wouldn't sleep on the West Coast game either, seeing it's at home and they are a thoroughly average team at the moment. If we bring the game we brought against Melbourne, or Geelong, it's certainly winnable.

No chance for the Melbourne, Dogs or Port game seeing either it's away from home or the home ground advantage is neutralised and really, we're not at a stage where we can compete with the big boys away from Adelaide.

What is the point in winning though.


Belief came from Geelong, Melbourne and Saints games.

Plus holding Brisbane till the coaches moved Doedee.


Internally the belief is there. Losing our last five games won't dent that. Especially if we lose, like the Essendon game, playing a strategic/selection method so far removed from our successfull game strategy/selections this year.



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[1990crow]

What is the point in winning though.


Belief came from Geelong, Melbourne and Saints games.

Plus holding Brisbane till the coaches moved Doedee.


Internally the belief is there. Losing our last five games won't dent that. Especially if we lose, like the Essendon game, playing a strategic/selection method so far removed from our successfull game strategy/selections this year.



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Watching Thilthorpe this year has removed the memories of 2020.
Watching Horne play for us next year would remove the memory of 2021 last 5 games.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Our want for Horne seems to me like our want for Rankine/Luko in 2018

We won't finish in a bad enough position to nab him without needing a trade. We also won't quite have the capital to trade up for him - NM will want him no matter what. We'll select some other guy and throw crap at the recruiters for years as to why we didn't trade up for Horne when, in fact, it was never really possible

I'm personally fine with grabbing a Roberts/Callaghan type

 

[Geoffa32]

Watching Thilthorpe this year has removed the memories of 2020.
Watching Horne play for us next year would remove the memory of 2021 last 5 games.

IF we nail this year's draft as we did 2020 and are contending for a flag in 2025

THEN the total capitulation of these last 7 games to drop from 12th to 17th won't be remembered and could in fact be seen as a defining moment setting up that 2025 push.

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[conVINCEd]

Our want for Horne seems to me like our want for Rankine/Luko in 2018

We won't finish in a bad enough position to nab him without needing a trade. We also won't quite have the capital to trade up for him - NM will want him no matter what. We'll select some other guy and throw crap at the recruiters for years as to why we didn't trade up for Horne when, in fact, it was never really possible

I'm personally fine with grabbing a Roberts/Callaghan type

Agree with your last sentence and I’m fine with not getting Horne, but we did have the draft capital to move up in 2018 - we just chose not to.

 

[1990crow]

Agree with your last sentence and I’m fine with not getting Horne, but we did have the draft capital to move up in 2018 - we just chose not to.

We didn't for Lukosius or Rankine. We did for Rozee.

 

[Mutineer]

Agree with your last sentence and I’m fine with not getting Horne, but we did have the draft capital to move up in 2018 - we just chose not to.

We really didn't when Lukosius was our number 1 pick and Rankine our number 2 pick....I doubt Rozee was ever our focus in trying to trade up.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Agree with your last sentence and I’m fine with not getting Horne, but we did have the draft capital to move up in 2018 - we just chose not to.

GC were never going to deal away Luko/Rankine. Never

You could argue Rozee, admittedly, unfortunately Port swooped in early with making the trades needed (ie jettisoning Wingard, then getting in good with Brisbane to move up a selection). We weren’t ever getting the Saints’ pick either (they always wanted King)

 

[Scorpus]

Send every senior player in for surgery ahead of the Hawthorn game. Anyone with even a slight niggle, you're done

 

[Geoffa32]

Our want for Horne seems to me like our want for Rankine/Luko in 2018

We won't finish in a bad enough position to nab him without needing a trade. We also won't quite have the capital to trade up for him - NM will want him no matter what. We'll select some other guy and throw crap at the recruiters for years as to why we didn't trade up for Horne when, in fact, it was never really possible

I'm personally fine with grabbing a Roberts/Callaghan type

Yeah it seems we won't get Horne.

But we need the next best available mid. And then another with our second pick


The core of first rounders in the last few drafts is starting to look pretty good.

McHenry, worst of the bunch but a real trier. I like him.

McAsey, I expect him to do well in 2022 after his SANFL apprenticeship. Same one Talia, Doedee and Butts have gone through.

Jones, yeah we spent a top ten pick on a small defender. Might not have the smarts to be a mid. But so far looking a top shelf, potential elite small defender

Thilthorpe. Don't need to say much

Pedlar. Early but looks a genuine mid.



Plus Schoenberg, Berry, Scholl and Butts outside the first round who are showing signs of being A graders.


There is a good core of nine top quality players, plus 2021 draftees to build our 2025 and beyond team.



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[Geoffa32]

We really didn't when Lukosius was our number 1 pick and Rankine our number 2 pick....I doubt Rozee was ever our focus in trying to trade up.

Agree.

GC were never giving up Luko and Rankine. Why would they?

Does seem our recruiters didn't rate Rozee high enough.

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[Mego Red]

We lost to North last year to set up pick 1.

Didnt effect our player's psyche.


We have seen enough this year to know our guys can win.


Eseendon game set the course for draft management once a few other results have gone that way the last two weeks.

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We won a whole series of games late in the year. That set us up for improvement this year.

North was one one random bad game, when we had too many list cloggers actually playing.

 

[Geoffa32]

We won a whole series of games late in the year. That set us up for improvement this year.

North was one one random bad game, when we had too many list cloggers actually playing.

That game put a gap between us and North. Pick 1 and 2.

Pick 1 stitched up we played better footy and jagged a few wins.


Pure coincidence of course. The response to the loss to North was a great motivator.

Played some great Footy after that.



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[Mego Red]

That game put a gap between us and North. Pick 1 and 2.

Pick 1 stitched up we played better footy and jagged a few wins.


Pure coincidence of course. The response to the loss to North was a great motivator.

Played some great Footy after that.



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I think the North loss was very valuable - we stamped the cards of a bunch of players, and knew they weren't part of our future.

That's a bit different than this year. I'm less sure a loss would be a positive.

 

[GrommoT]

Agree.

GC were never giving up Luko and Rankine. Why would they?

Does seem our recruiters didn't rate Rozee high enough.

I think the question is ... when did our recruiters realise this? Did they keep trying to convince GC to give us one of them till quite late while the Poo steal a march on us in working their way up the ladder?

I think we started the trade period with better draft stock than the Poo - and maybe had enough to trade for pick 1 or 2 - but if we started doing intermediate picks to try and move up, we would have lost too much picks value.

We either went for Luko/Rankine, or maybe Rozee.