List Mgmt. 2021 Draft picks: 4/33/75

[Deaneus!]

thanks to Lore as always

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[Mutineer]

Callaghan looks great, the reality for him is he isn't going to the Bulldogs no matter what, Adelaide GWS and GC a real possibility. It's the nature of drafting.

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Not initially anyhow.

 

[GrommoT]

If Perkins said what he said, what is stopping Horne-Francis from saying the same thing??

Probably nothing but maybe he's not fussed about moving away from SA?

 

[triggyscrewedus]

Probably Perkin's ruling out only 8/18 clubs where as Horne-Francis would be ruling out 16/18. In saying that Wingard was similarly rated as a junior (slightly less hyped) did the same thing and was okay

What the player actually has to directly say can be very minimal in this regard.
It's a full blown production these days and everyone has a voice, it would be very easy for family/team mates/teachers/mentors/coaches/ managers all to make it clear he doesn't want to go interstate, when a player is being taken that high in a draft all of those people are interviewed or at the very least chatted.
He can't seriously be wanting to go interstate in this current Covid climate anyway especially to North..
Being away from family could really affect his well-being..he has had some fragile moments recently..he doesn't adjust to change easily..he can't make decisions on his own... Get it done Crows!!

 

[Disco Fox]

If Perkins said what he said, what is stopping Horne-Francis from saying the same thing??

Maturity & a sense of adventure maybe?!!

 

[Golumless]

Callaghan looks great, the reality for him is he isn't going to the Bulldogs no matter what, Adelaide GWS and GC a real possibility. It's the nature of drafting.

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Not this draft, but two years down the line at an interstate club when he has the power to choose his employer?

Good luck keeping him as an interstate club, because that deck is completely stacked against them.

 

[LoBu]

Not this draft, but two years down the line at an interstate club when he has the power to choose his employer?

Good luck keeping him as an interstate club, because that deck is completely stacked against them.

Yep, totally get it, for every Sloane/ Wines there is a Danger/ ... actually it doesn't happen to Port, just Adelaide.

 

[rabidcrow]

Jack Gunston says hi.

Red flags there family wise

Finn Callaghan has close family ties to a current AFL coach.

It might not concern you but it's there.

In fairness we didn’t manage a kid with obvious talent very well. Coaches made it clear to him early in the season he was 7-8-9th in line for a forward spot. Jack said fair enough and put out feelers and Hawthorn bit hard - and then injuries have Jack a run in the team and he broke out as a potential star. That’s why kids need to be given a taste of AFL early - assuming they are doing the correct things in Sanfl - to get them hooked in to the club


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[Vader]

In fairness we didn’t manage a kid with obvious talent very well. Coaches made it clear to him early in the season he was 7-8-9th in line for a forward spot. Jack said fair enough and put out feelers and Hawthorn bit hard - and then injuries have Jack a run in the team and he broke out as a potential star. That’s why kids need to be given a taste of AFL early - assuming they are doing the correct things in Sanfl - to get them hooked in to the club

Which is why he played 12 games in 2011, as a 2nd year player - more than any other tall forward from his draft class? I call bullshit.

Gunston was a mummy's boy who couldn't handle being sent out the Central Districts when not selected in the AFL team. Not wanting to play at Centrals, where he (being born with a silver spoon in his mouth) fit like a square peg in a round hole, was a legitimate reason for being unhappy. Whinging about a lack of AFL opportunities is, was & always has been a load of garbage.

 

[Mutineer]

Which is why he played 12 games in 2011, as a 2nd year player - more than any other tall forward from his draft class? I call bullshit.

So do I.

 

[Mutineer]

In fairness we didn’t manage a kid with obvious talent very well. Coaches made it clear to him early in the season he was 7-8-9th in line for a forward spot. Jack said fair enough and put out feelers and Hawthorn bit hard - and then injuries have Jack a run in the team and he broke out as a potential star. That’s why kids need to be given a taste of AFL early - assuming they are doing the correct things in Sanfl - to get them hooked in to the club


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What utter tripe.

Both he and his manager after ongoing discussions had agreed to an extension and then at the last minute he (with his father Ray's input no doubt) hightailed it out of there without even the decency to attend the B & F to collect his award that ultimately went to Talia.

You really should do some research before re-writing history.

 

[dogs105]

In fairness we didn’t manage a kid with obvious talent very well. Coaches made it clear to him early in the season he was 7-8-9th in line for a forward spot. Jack said fair enough and put out feelers and Hawthorn bit hard - and then injuries have Jack a run in the team and he broke out as a potential star. That’s why kids need to be given a taste of AFL early - assuming they are doing the correct things in Sanfl - to get them hooked in to the club


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That's not how I remember it

 

[70lethal]

That's not how I remember it

Gunston was weak as p**s.
Gave them something like 2 hours notice and was on a plane
Didn't have the guts to front up to the b & f night incase he got put under pressure and talked out of leaving

 

[Golumless]

Yep, totally get it, for every Sloane/ Wines there is a Danger/ ... actually it doesn't happen to Port, just Adelaide.

Did I mention Port at all? We've all had our brushes with players going home, or in Port and West Coast case, about too.

Its not even "we should avoid Victorians" either, it's "we should avoid Victorians who have deep family connections to certain clubs/the league itself with high draft picks".

That group no interstate club has a hope to hold on to unless they're low draft picks/or recycled players.

Mind you, it's quite likely the inverse holds true and interstate clubs have little to no chance to hold on to kids with connections to SA footballing royalty, Brad Ebert as an example.

 

[Vader]

Did I mention Port at all? We've all had our brushes with players going home, or in Port and West Coast case, about too.

Its not even "we should avoid Victorians" either, it's "we should avoid Victorians who have deep family connections to certain clubs/the league itself with high draft picks".

That group no interstate club has a hope to hold on to unless they're low draft picks/or recycled players.

Mind you, it's quite likely the inverse holds true and interstate clubs have little to no chance to hold on to kids with connections to SA footballing royalty, Brad Ebert as an example.

James Aish begs to differ...

 

[Crow till I die]

Mutineer

Methinks you would like this if it played out this way (caveat being we won't have pick 23 which will be used for Dawson)

Draft Expert - PMBangers' 2021 Draft Board - Come for the R1 phantom (post #1591), stay for the Simpsons references

Would you rather have one player from tier 2, or two players from tier 3? Depends what the situation is but probably two tier 3 players, especially if I'm a club that's currently in finals like the lions

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[JennyTalia]

Mutineer

Methinks you would like this if it played out this way (caveat being we won't have pick 23 which will be used for Dawson)

Draft Expert - PMBangers' 2021 Draft Board - Come for the R1 phantom (post #1591), stay for the Simpsons references

Would you rather have one player from tier 2, or two players from tier 3? Depends what the situation is but probably two tier 3 players, especially if I'm a club that's currently in finals like the lions

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Murley at 40 would be nice

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Mutineer

Methinks you would like this if it played out this way (caveat being we won't have pick 23 which will be used for Dawson)

Draft Expert - PMBangers' 2021 Draft Board - Come for the R1 phantom (post #1591), stay for the Simpsons references

Would you rather have one player from tier 2, or two players from tier 3? Depends what the situation is but probably two tier 3 players, especially if I'm a club that's currently in finals like the lions

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I would suggest Ol PMBangers has been peeking at our threads too coincidental getting Goater & a small fwd

 

[LoBu]

Did I mention Port at all? We've all had our brushes with players going home, or in Port and West Coast case, about too.

Its not even "we should avoid Victorians" either, it's "we should avoid Victorians who have deep family connections to certain clubs/the league itself with high draft picks".

That group no interstate club has a hope to hold on to unless they're low draft picks/or recycled players.

Mind you, it's quite likely the inverse holds true and interstate clubs have little to no chance to hold on to kids with connections to SA footballing royalty, Brad Ebert as an example.

You didn't mention Port, that was my comment to imply that there is an Adelaide Crows factor to all this, highlighted by Port keeping Wines (and Boak).

I can't argue at all that Victorian high draft picks won't cause anxiety for us each year they are to come out of contract, probably each year in contract too given the trades that happen in contract nowadays.

I note that Callaghan is considered a 'special case' given he is a cousin of Luke Beverage - giving us a lifetime of anxiety and then regret.

I just also hate to think that we are stuck drafting SA talent, which is ok recently but you don't have to think back very far to remember the dearth of top ten talent from SA up to about 2017.

This 2020 state of origin team (fox sports) demonstrates my point:


B: Rory Laird (Adelaide), Tom Jonas (Port Adelaide), Shannon Hurn (West Coast Eagles)

HB: Brodie Smith (Adelaide), Phil Davis (Giants), Caleb Daniel (Western Bulldogs)

C: George Hewett (Sydney Swans), Jack Redden (West Coast Eagles), Jared Polec (North Melbourne)

HF: Shane Edwards (Richmond), Justin Westhoff (Port Adelaide), Connor Rozee (Port Adelaide)

F: Eddie Betts (Carlton), Scott Lycett (Port Adelaide), Orazio Fantasia (Essendon)

FOLL: Brodie Grundy (Collingwood), Brad Ebert (Port Adelaide), Lachie Neale (Brisbane Lions)


I/C: Shaun Burgoyne (Hawthorn), Chad Wingard (Hawthorn), Trent Dumont (North Melbourne), Hamish Hartlett (Port Adelaide)

EMER: Wayne Milera (Adelaide), Jordan Dawson (Sydney Swans), Bryce Gibbs (Adelaide), Will Hayward (Sydney Swans)

 

[WaynesWorld19]

 

[GameofSloanes]

You didn't mention Port, that was my comment to imply that there is an Adelaide Crows factor to all this, highlighted by Port keeping Wines (and Boak).

I can't argue at all that Victorian high draft picks won't cause anxiety for us each year they are to come out of contract, probably each year in contract too given the trades that happen in contract nowadays.

I note that Callaghan is considered a 'special case' given he is a cousin of Luke Beverage - giving us a lifetime of anxiety and then regret.

I just also hate to think that we are stuck drafting SA talent, which is ok recently but you don't have to think back very far to remember the dearth of top ten talent from SA up to about 2017.

This 2020 state of origin team (fox sports) demonstrates my point:


B: Rory Laird (Adelaide), Tom Jonas (Port Adelaide), Shannon Hurn (West Coast Eagles)

HB: Brodie Smith (Adelaide), Phil Davis (Giants), Caleb Daniel (Western Bulldogs)

C: George Hewett (Sydney Swans), Jack Redden (West Coast Eagles), Jared Polec (North Melbourne)

HF: Shane Edwards (Richmond), Justin Westhoff (Port Adelaide), Connor Rozee (Port Adelaide)

F: Eddie Betts (Carlton), Scott Lycett (Port Adelaide), Orazio Fantasia (Essendon)

FOLL: Brodie Grundy (Collingwood), Brad Ebert (Port Adelaide), Lachie Neale (Brisbane Lions)


I/C: Shaun Burgoyne (Hawthorn), Chad Wingard (Hawthorn), Trent Dumont (North Melbourne), Hamish Hartlett (Port Adelaide)

EMER: Wayne Milera (Adelaide), Jordan Dawson (Sydney Swans), Bryce Gibbs (Adelaide), Will Hayward (Sydney Swans)

Dear god, rookies, cooked players and some dead set spuds in there

 

[GrommoT]

...
I note that Callaghan is considered a 'special case' given he is a cousin of Luke Beverage - giving us a lifetime of anxiety and then regret.
...

Bevo is husband of his mum's cousin ... Callaghan, that is

 

[Velvet George]

Bevo is husband of his mum's cousin ... Callaghan, that is

If I was Callaghan, I wouldn’t to play for a relative, I’m not sure if it’s that big a threat unless he’s a mad Bulldogs supporter

 

[GrommoT]

If I was Callaghan, I wouldn’t to play for a relative, I’m not sure if it’s that big a threat unless he’s a mad Bulldogs supporter

He's a mad Bevo supporter.

Barracked for the Saints and then changed to barrack for WB when Bevo (husband of mother's cousin) became WB coach!

 

[dogs105]

He's a mad Bevo supporter.

Is there any other type?

 

[Murray2503]

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