Discussion 2021 General AFL Discussion

[Bill Mohr]

Not true - Stevic didn't report it because he wasn't sure if he may have moved and contributed to the contact. He said at the tribunal that after watching the tape, its clear he didn't move and the contact was intentional.

Interesting to see what the AFL does given that the finding was that

“Greene had a full view of the umpire ... he was looking straight at the umpire. The umpire was stationary. Jury finds Greene’s conduct was disrespectful, demonstrative and aggressive.”

And the AFL Counsel had then argued to the jury for a tough suspension because

“You’ve found that he has intentionally breached the rule.

“You have rejected his repeated insistence that his act was not intentional.

“Your submission should say to anyone who plays the game ‘do not do this.’”

Gleeson says Greene must be suspended for no less than six weeks.


On that basis they'd have to appeal - and they should!!

That good summary will quieten a few down on here who didnt check their facts. Long live the game and its traditions.

 

[Pbft]

Consistency and accountability?????

From Sunday's game

 

[Sully111]

Consistency and accountability?????

From Sunday's game
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Looks like he's trying to avoid contact

 

[Pbft]

He has the umpire by the arm. Last time I checked this was defined as 'touching'.......

 

[Pardon me]

Consistency and accountability?????

From Sunday's game
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To be fair, I was wondering where his 1 tackle stat came from...

 

[Bill Mohr]

He has the umpire by the arm. Last time I checked this was defined as 'touching'.......

Is touching the umpire reportable? Didnt someone attach a list of criteria relating to a reportable offence when an umpire has been contacted by a player?

 

[CaptainRisky]

Consistency and accountability?????

From Sunday's game
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You are kidding ,

 

[Bill Mohr]

A word from everyone's favourite D.King

Toby was found guilty of disrespectful, demonstrative and aggressive conduct towards an umpire .....then got only three weeks ?? Are we really ensuring the umpires are an absolute “no go zone”?? What would need to happen for a 4 or 6+ week sanction, as prosecution called for?

 

[Pbft]

You are kidding ,

Umm.....No.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Umm.....No.

Have you seen the footage that led up to where he had his hands on him ?

 

[Pbft]

Is touching the umpire reportable? Didnt someone attach a list of criteria relating to a reportable offence when an umpire has been contacted by a player?

From the Laws of the Game:


62
LAWS OF AUSTRALIAN FOOTBALL 2021
22.2
REPORTABLE OFFENCES
22.2.1
Degree of Intent – Clarification
Where any of the Reportable Offences listed in Law 22.2.2 specify that conduct may be
intentional or careless:
(a)
any report or notice of report which does not allege whether the conduct was
intentional or careless shall be deemed to and be read as alleging that the
conduct was either intentional or careless; and
(b)
the Tribunal or other body appointed to hear and determine the report may find the
report proven if it is satisfied on the balance of probabilities that the conduct was
either intentional or careless.
22.2.2
Specific Offences
Any of the following types of conduct is a Reportable Offence:
(a)
intentionally or carelessly:
(i)
striking another person;
(ii)
kicking another person;
(iii)
kneeing another person;
(iv)
Charging an opponent;
(v)
engaging in Rough Conduct against an opponent;
(vi)
bumping or making forceful contact to an opponent from front-on when
that Player has their head down over the football;
(vii)
head-butting or making contact to another person using the head;
(viii)
making unreasonable or unnecessary contact to the eye region of
another person;
(ix)
making unreasonable or unnecessary contact to the face of another person;
(x)
scratching another person; or
(xi)
tripping another person whether by hand, arm, foot or leg;
(b)
eye-gouging another person;
(c)
stomping on another person;
(d)
intentionally making contact with, or striking, an Umpire;

(e)
attempting to strike an Umpire;
(f)
spitting on or at an Umpire;
(g)
behaving in an abusive, insulting, threatening or obscene manner towards or in
relation to an Umpire;
(h)
using abusive, insulting or obscene language towards or in relation to an Umpire;
(i)
unreasonable or unnecessary contact with an Umpire;
(j)
carelessly making contact with an Umpire

 

[CaptainRisky]

A word from everyone's favourite D.King

Toby was found guilty of disrespectful, demonstrative and aggressive conduct towards an umpire .....then got only three weeks ?? Are we really ensuring the umpires are an absolute “no go zone”?? What would need to happen for a 4 or 6+ week sanction, as prosecution called for?

And for once King is correct

 

[CaptainRisky]

From the Laws of the Game:


62
LAWS OF AUSTRALIAN FOOTBALL 2021
22.2
REPORTABLE OFFENCES
22.2.1
Degree of Intent – Clarification
Where any of the Reportable Offences listed in Law 22.2.2 specify that conduct may be
intentional or careless:
(a)
any report or notice of report which does not allege whether the conduct was
intentional or careless shall be deemed to and be read as alleging that the
conduct was either intentional or careless; and
(b)
the Tribunal or other body appointed to hear and determine the report may find the
report proven if it is satisfied on the balance of probabilities that the conduct was
either intentional or careless.
22.2.2
Specific Offences
Any of the following types of conduct is a Reportable Offence:
(a)
intentionally or carelessly:
(i)
striking another person;
(ii)
kicking another person;
(iii)
kneeing another person;
(iv)
Charging an opponent;
(v)
engaging in Rough Conduct against an opponent;
(vi)
bumping or making forceful contact to an opponent from front-on when
that Player has their head down over the football;
(vii)
head-butting or making contact to another person using the head;
(viii)
making unreasonable or unnecessary contact to the eye region of
another person;
(ix)
making unreasonable or unnecessary contact to the face of another person;
(x)
scratching another person; or
(xi)
tripping another person whether by hand, arm, foot or leg;
(b)
eye-gouging another person;
(c)
stomping on another person;
(d)
intentionally making contact with, or striking, an Umpire;

(e)
attempting to strike an Umpire;
(f)
spitting on or at an Umpire;
(g)
behaving in an abusive, insulting, threatening or obscene manner towards or in
relation to an Umpire;
(h)
using abusive, insulting or obscene language towards or in relation to an Umpire;
(i)
unreasonable or unnecessary contact with an Umpire;
(j)
carelessly making contact with an Umpire

Did that player steal your GF , you sure have your knickers in a twist over it

 

[Pbft]

Did that player steal your GF , you sure have your knickers in a twist over it

Not at all. I am only trying to point out the inconsistencies.

What Toby did was wrong - I think everyone agrees. What I am questioning is the often selective interpretations of the rules.

Not looking to spark a fight.

 

[Bill Mohr]

Consistency and accountability?????

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It actually looks like the ump has shoulder charged Heppell. Can anyone report the umpire for that?

 

[CaptainRisky]

Not at all. I am only trying to point out the inconsistencies.

What Toby did was wrong - I think everyone agrees. What I am questioning is the often selective interpretations of the rules.

Not looking to spark a fight.

Thats cool , all id love to see is what led to the player holding his arm , it looks like he is trying not to run into the ump

 

[Bill Mohr]

Not at all. I am only trying to point out the inconsistencies.

What Toby did was wrong - I think everyone agrees. What I am questioning is the often selective interpretations of the rules.

Not looking to spark a fight.

I think that once a game there is contact between umpire and player. what happens when an umpire and player collide and the ump goes arse over- have you ever seen the player suspended for life or anything for that matter for knocking him down? Accidents happen and we need to know the circumstances before we make a call from our TV sets...Just sayin

 

[Sully111]

Not at all. I am only trying to point out the inconsistencies.

What Toby did was wrong - I think everyone agrees. What I am questioning is the often selective interpretations of the rules.

Not looking to spark a fight.

That picture has no context.

With the Greene incident, we saw video which showed clearly what happened.

There has to be context before discussing selective interpretations.

 

[Joffaboy]

A word from everyone's favourite D.King

Toby was found guilty of disrespectful, demonstrative and aggressive conduct towards an umpire .....then got only three weeks ?? Are we really ensuring the umpires are an absolute “no go zone”?? What would need to happen for a 4 or 6+ week sanction, as prosecution called for?

Saints player

 

[Joffaboy]

Not at all. I am only trying to point out the inconsistencies.

What Toby did was wrong - I think everyone agrees. What I am questioning is the often selective interpretations of the rules.

Not looking to spark a fight.

Oh wow, news, inconsistencies in football incidents outcomes.

 

[Bill Mohr]

Saints player

I am struggling to recall, but a saints player may have copped a week or 2 in the 70's for a slight love tap on the arm !!!!!!

 

[pebblesofsand]

From the Laws of the Game:


62
LAWS OF AUSTRALIAN FOOTBALL 2021
22.2
REPORTABLE OFFENCES
22.2.1
Degree of Intent – Clarification
Where any of the Reportable Offences listed in Law 22.2.2 specify that conduct may be
intentional or careless:
(a)
any report or notice of report which does not allege whether the conduct was
intentional or careless shall be deemed to and be read as alleging that the
conduct was either intentional or careless; and
(b)
the Tribunal or other body appointed to hear and determine the report may find the
report proven if it is satisfied on the balance of probabilities that the conduct was
either intentional or careless.
22.2.2
Specific Offences
Any of the following types of conduct is a Reportable Offence:
(a)
intentionally or carelessly:
(i)
striking another person;
(ii)
kicking another person;
(iii)
kneeing another person;
(iv)
Charging an opponent;
(v)
engaging in Rough Conduct against an opponent;
(vi)
bumping or making forceful contact to an opponent from front-on when
that Player has their head down over the football;
(vii)
head-butting or making contact to another person using the head;
(viii)
making unreasonable or unnecessary contact to the eye region of
another person;
(ix)
making unreasonable or unnecessary contact to the face of another person;
(x)
scratching another person; or
(xi)
tripping another person whether by hand, arm, foot or leg;
(b)
eye-gouging another person;
(c)
stomping on another person;
(d)
intentionally making contact with, or striking, an Umpire;

(e)
attempting to strike an Umpire;
(f)
spitting on or at an Umpire;
(g)
behaving in an abusive, insulting, threatening or obscene manner towards or in
relation to an Umpire;
(h)
using abusive, insulting or obscene language towards or in relation to an Umpire;
(i)
unreasonable or unnecessary contact with an Umpire;
(j)
carelessly making contact with an Umpire

Perhaps you should rely on something more than a still shot to claim inconsistencies. The umpire stepped back into the space where Heppel was running and both tried hard to avoid incidental contact. 2nd qtr if you want to check.

As the rules you posted state - the contact must be considered "unreasonable or unnecessary contact' or "careless" contact before it is considered a reportable offence.

Making contact with an umpire when he standing dead still and you are moving directly towards the umpire, and do not deviate, is intentional contact and therefore a reportable offence.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Not at all. I am only trying to point out the inconsistencies.

What Toby did was wrong - I think everyone agrees. What I am questioning is the often selective interpretations of the rules.

Not looking to spark a fight.

I just watched on Kayo , nothing in it

 

[Sully111]

I just watched on Kayo , nothing in it

Wasn't the start of a Judo move?

 

[gringo2011]

He has the umpire by the arm. Last time I checked this was defined as 'touching'.......

I noticed it live and thought it might cause controversy but I do think he was trying to avoid hurting him more than intimidating... but you technically can't "touch" an umpire.