List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

Giant Strides · Sep 30, 2021

Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker

FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more

www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)

GWS Goose · Oct 5, 2021

Andre the Giant said:
Clubs are aware the Bulldogs’ No. 17 and Greater Western Sydney’s pick two are both up for grabs after preliminary talks on the opening day of the trade period on Monday.

The Giants are open to shuffling down the order from pick two as they eye a key position prospect in this year’s draft such as brilliant ruckman Mac Andrew.

Pick 2 would guarantee R access to one of the two best young midfielders in the country in slick playmaker Finn Callaghan and hard nut Ben Hobbs.

The Tigers have been linked to a play on Hobbs who is widely considered a superstar onballer and future captain in the making.

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I think we can kill off any thoughts of Callaghan and of keeping Pick 2. The question will be who we do the deal with and what it yields. There must be a good degree of certainty the other top selections will not be used on Andrew or Gibcus.

This disappoints me.

Danny88 · Oct 5, 2021

Seems we will be trading down

I really don't know how I feel about this as of yet. I think the nature of the deal to trade down is what will help me make up my mind. If pick 2 becomes two first round picks.... on this year and one next... I reckon I might eventually be ok with it.

captainMyCaptain · Oct 5, 2021

If we are trading down unless were bringing in 3 x 1st rounders during this trade period I wouldn't want us to do a deal until draft night when were close to 100% sure on what the top 10 looks like as nothing worse then trading down and missing the guy we actually want.

Andre the Giant · Oct 5, 2021

GWS Goose said:
This disappoints me.

captainMyCaptain said:
If we are trading down unless were bringing in 3 x 1st rounders during this trade period I wouldn't want us to do a deal until draft night when were close to 100% sure on what the top 10 looks like as nothing worse then trading down and missing the guy we actually want.

Thinking the same, it only makes sense if we get the players we’re targeting otherwise take the best kid.

PMBangers · Oct 5, 2021

https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/pla...hvu8qf-cWuxuFCY6nUQcK4boGraLRjTwfrvA6hb1p9lqY

My write up on Voss, I definitely think we should be taking him if he's there in the rookie draft, but there may be some clubs that'd look at him late in the National Draft just due to his versatility that'd back themselves to turn him into what they want

fridgeman · Oct 5, 2021

I will be disappointed if the club trades out pick 2 and doesnt pick up Callaghan, I wonder if he has interviewed poorly in terms of a possible move interstate with the border restrictions how they have been although I cant see it being an issue next year except for issues in WA
He does seem a good fit with his outside game and size but we dont have all the info and over 6 weeks to find out

Cameron_Jezza · Oct 5, 2021

Y

fridgeman said:
I will be disappointed if the club trades out pick 2 and doesnt pick up Callaghan, I wonder if he has interviewed poorly in terms of a possible move interstate with the border restrictions how they have been although I cant see it being an issue next year except for issues in WA
He does seem a good fit with his outside game and size but we dont have all the info and over 6 weeks to find out

You could alway trade 2,13 to Fremantle for 6,8.
Freo can trade 2 for 7,15 with richmond,
so overall Freo get 7,13,15 .
Will Briggs,Flynn both definitely be there next year?
Maybe trading 2 is to bring in more potential A-Grade key position prospects.

captainMyCaptain · Oct 5, 2021

Cameron_Jezza said:
Y
You could alway trade 2,13 to Fremantle for 6,8.
Freo can trade 2 for 7,15 with richmond,
so overall Freo get 7,13,15 .
Will Briggs,Flynn both definitely be there next year?
Maybe trading 2 is bring in more potential A trade key position prospects.

That would be a terrible deal. Pick 2 by it self is enough to bring in an extra 1st rounder

Giant Strides · Oct 5, 2021

If we trade down from #2, we need to work out how far down we are comfortable to still get the guy we want ... if it is Mac Andrew (we could be using him as a ruse to obscure our real target, so who could it be otherwise) ... and how much added value can be grabbed.

Swapping #2 with #3 from GCS - should guarantee getting who we want, with extra value of say #19 (unless used in a trade with NM), or a future 2R pick (they won't swap a F1R pick for one place). Limited extra value, but an extra 2R would be OK.

Swapping #2 with #4 from ADL - probably unlikely given Crows' need for early or mid-teens picks. Should still get who we want if we did it, but limited extra value to be had IMHO.

Swapping #2 with #5 from Hawks - should be pretty good in ensuring we can't lose who we want, good extra value if we could get their two second round picks (although they probably don't want to give them both up), or one this year plus a future 2R. We'd presumably like a F1R pick, but Hawks wouldn't give that up. Getting good value here would be difficult. Overall, this would be palatable, although an early 2R might get eaten up in a bid for Fahey.

Swapping #2 with #6 from Freo - in the sweet spot IMHO (Hawks & Crows would be looking for mids, Suns presumably either Callaghan or Gibcus), but with the complication of their trades with Blues & Cats, I think difficult to get value.

Swapping #2 with #7 from Richmond - probably the lowest I'd want to trade. Should still get Andrew, if he's our target as long as there are no other trades (RIC - Callaghan or Hobbs; Suns - Gibcus; ADL - Hobbs/Callaghan, Ward or Erasmus; Freo - Hobbs//Callaghan/Ward/Erasmus or Amiss). If we can get #7, #15 & one of their lates 30s or 40s picks, that's probably the optimum deal in terms of value.

#7 gets Mac, #13 gets one of Sinn, Sonsie, Chesser, Goater, NWM so we still get a classy outside midfielder although not as good as Callaghan (but you never know what happens in future). #15 could be used for a trade into next year (depending on what happens with ToJ), and the later picks match a bid on Fahey ... depending on where it comes there might be a few points deficit taken into 2022. That still leaves a spare spot for Patrick Voss or someone else we might like late. I'd tend to think this is the optimal outcome - albeit enriching Richmond's future stocks.

I must admit I'm a bit perplexed about our KPD situation. I'm just not liking the options this year, and although I'd like to get a headstart on developing the next guy for when Keeffe & Davis retire, I'm probably at a point of thinking that we sit on out hands. For the club, it might depend on whether they see Mac Andrew (if he is indeed the guy we're after) as a forward or a defender. (If he's a ruck, it's longer term, not short term.) The alternative is to grab someone like Charlie Dean either late or in the rookie draft, or just grab a temporary KPD in the PSSP to cover the two LTIs.

Any picks after #7 I think are too high risk of losing who we're targeting.

PMBangers · Oct 5, 2021

Giant Strides said:
Swapping #2 with #6 from Freo - in the sweet spot IMHO (Hawks & Crows would be looking for mids, Suns presumably either Callaghan or Gibcus), but with the complication of their trades with Blues & Cats, I think difficult to get value.

They're noted to be big fans of Callaghan, we could get 6 & 8 if they're desperate

Giant Strides · Oct 5, 2021

PMBangers said:
They're noted to be big fans of Callaghan, we could get 6 & 8 if they're desperate

Well, that would be a great scenario to sell them - he'd be the perfect replacement for Cerra. I'm just thinking that their trade with Blues over Cerra could drag on ... and on ... and on.

PMBangers · Oct 5, 2021

Giant Strides said:
Well, that would be a great scenario to sell them - he'd be the perfect replacement for Cerra. I'm just thinking that their trade with Blues over Cerra could drag on ... and on ... and on.

One of the few good things about the commercialisation of trade period is the extension to the pick swapping period past the initial 9 days, means we don't need to worry about the Cerra deal dragging on

Giant Strides · Oct 5, 2021

PMBangers said:
One of the few good things about the commercialisation of trade period is the extension to the pick swapping period past the initial 9 days, means we don't need to worry about the Cerra deal dragging on

Eh, must admit, I didn't even think about that!

Hendo_21 · Oct 5, 2021

PMBangers said:
They're noted to be big fans of Callaghan, we could get 6 & 8 if they're desperate

6 and 8 would make things interesting gives us a chance for Gibcus at 6 and then maybe Mac at 8? I'd like to pair that with Sinn at 13 but we'd probably have a few options for guys in that range. Maybe with Finn off the board at 2 heading to Freo, Suns could take Gibcus.

PMBangers · Oct 5, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
6 and 8 would make things interesting gives us a chance for Gibcus at 6 and then maybe Mac at 8? I'd like to pair that with Sinn at 13 but we'd probably have a few options for guys in that range. Maybe with Finn off the board at 2 heading to Freo, Suns could take Gibcus.

In that situation I reckon we'd offload one of 8 or 13 for a future first given we've only got the 3 list spots and seem to have half committed to Fahey

Hendo_21 · Oct 5, 2021

PMBangers said:
In that situation I reckon we'd offload one of 8 or 13 for a future first given we've only got the 3 list spots and seem to have half committed to Fahey

Yep fair call, depending on how the board breaks and who's avaliable could see either pick being traded.

Brave New World · Oct 5, 2021

Do we make an approach for the 'other' Sam Reid, in pursuit of an experienced KPD?

The Swan turns 30 at the end of this year (same age as Talia), currently has no contract for next year and lives in Sydney (obviously). Issues around constant injuries may be the biggest question mark.

However, there is also the added advantage that if he switches to GWS and has one or two good seasons, we get to stick it up a certain crosstown rival.

captainMyCaptain · Oct 5, 2021

PMBangers said:
In that situation I reckon we'd offload one of 8 or 13 for a future first given we've only got the 3 list spots and seem to have half committed to Fahey

Were actually got 4 list spots as you can have up to 38 primary list spots and including our current uncontracted guys we have 34 primary listed guys that said like McCartney alluded to on trade radio we will likely take just 3 selections in the draft.

Giant Strides · Oct 5, 2021

captainMyCaptain said:
Were actually got 4 list spots as you can have up to 38 primary list spots and including our current uncontracted guys we have 34 primary listed guys that said like McCartney alluded to on trade radio we will likely take just 3 selections in the draft.

Possibly giving a hint that we'll take someone in the rookie draft, or the PSSP?

After last year's surprise of Will Shaw, I'm not even going to try to guess who we might value there!

Orange crush · Oct 6, 2021

Brave New World said:
Do we make an approach for the 'other' Sam Reid, in pursuit of an experienced KPD?

The Swan turns 30 at the end of this year (same age as Talia), currently has no contract for next year and lives in Sydney (obviously). Issues around constant injuries may be the biggest question mark.

However, there is also the added advantage that if he switches to GWS and has one or two good seasons, we get to stick it up a certain crosstown rival.

You been reading Knightmare? He’s the only guy I’ve seen pushing this idea. Reid is done

PaythePerryman · Oct 6, 2021

Depending on the salary of someone like Gunston (may be prohibitive) I would be interested in him to bring into the forward line. Taking Lloyds spot and going back to 3 talls forward line.
If we did trade 2 to Freo for (6-8) I'd be happy to trade pick 13 for a another experienced forward (Our weakest line)
I understand people wanting to sure up the backline but if we keep Sproule/Riccardi/Finlayson I'd be using the off season to see who can take up a spot up back at least until Keefe/Buckley get up and going.

I still really want Callaghan at 2 but I can see the upside of big MAC time.

Given we aren't a free agency 'destination' club I think it's time to develop another dominant forward and he looks likely to me.

captainMyCaptain · Oct 6, 2021

captainMyCaptain · Oct 6, 2021

A bit on Gibcus from the combine

Josh Gibcus also tested strongly with the 195cm intercept defender recording the top running vertical jump (89cm) and a 3.04-second 20m sprint.
However, the leading key-backman in the pool was unable to properly compete against his 95cm personal best, with weather conditions forcing the event to be conducted under cover. “He basically jumped over the height stick on the first one. It was done under a little awning due to the weather conditions,” Loader, who attended the testing day, explained. “There was a support beam there and we were joking and said, ‘just hit that, because you’ll be hitting the roof.’” “He’s got an incredible vertical leap, whether it’s standing still or getting a run at things.”

AFL Draft 2021: Combine results, top prospect Sam Butler testing, Horne-Francis or Daicos at No. 1 | Herald Sun

PMBangers · Oct 6, 2021

captainMyCaptain said:

I was there for the Metro v Country game and those highlights leave out some of his best bits, there was one stage on the wing where he took a 3 on 1 pack mark because Metro were trying that hard to nullify him, and that easy leap to put the knee into Darcy was just superb

Orange crush · Oct 6, 2021

I’m really warming to Mac .... especially if it gets us another solid pick (preferably) next year. The guy’s potential looks amazing

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