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I remember being at my mates place once and he had his mate there who I hardly ever saw.
All of a sudden his wife bursts in wearing a gym suit, knocks all the beers off the table and kicks over the bong and dragged him out.
My mate goes yeah that's his wife. He only got out of hospital a few weeks ago cause he drove his car into a wall.
 


Actually admitted going after Trump was pure propaganda to get rid of him. Amazing that they actually admit making most of it up, and most americans seem fine with being lied to. We are entering a dangerous time.

Actually "they" (CNN I guess you're referring to) didn't admit to anything, it was merely one low level staffer offering his opinion of what was happening while being secretly recorded by a group with a, how shall I put it, very dubious history of deceptive reporting.

"Entering" a dangerous time, hell yanks have been fine with being lied to for decades, Vietnam, Kuwaiti babies remover from incubators, WMD's just to mention a few, and now the latest, horror stories about China, with unsubstantiated stories of rape, torture, sterilization, organ harvesting and even crematoriums being built next to the "concentration" camps.

Compared to all that CNN possibly trying to get rid of Trump is small potatoes.
 


Actually admitted going after Trump was pure propaganda to get rid of him. Amazing that they actually admit making most of it up, and most americans seem fine with being lied to. We are entering a dangerous time.

Sorry, just to confirm, your analysis of the current "dangerous time" we live in is that Donald Trump - a pathological liar who was literally the most nihilistic disseminator of misinformation in Western political history - was a *victim* of lying, not a flagrant proponent of it? That's what you see as cause for cultural concern?

Do go on.

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Sorry, just to confirm, your analysis of the current "dangerous time" we live in is that Donald Trump - a pathological liar who was literally the most nihilistic disseminator of misinformation in Western political history - was a *victim* of lying, not a flagrant proponent of it? That's what you see as cause for cultural concern?

Do go on.

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Media are supposed to report the facts. Not make shit up cause their favourite didn’t win.

Yeah Trump bought a lot of heat on himself, but the absolute hatchet job they did on him was out of control.
 

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Sorry, just to confirm, your analysis of the current "dangerous time" we live in is that Donald Trump - a pathological liar who was literally the most nihilistic disseminator of misinformation in Western political history - was a *victim* of lying, not a flagrant proponent of it? That's what you see as cause for cultural concern?

I'm guessing you're leaving out the entire first half of the twentieth century for starters? A few names come to mind who have the Donald covered and then lapped rather effortlessly.

Oh that's right, Orange Man Bad.
 
I'm guessing you're leaving out the entire first half of the twentieth century for starters? A few names come to mind who have the Donald covered and then lapped rather effortlessly.

Oh that's right, Orange Man Bad.

In the context of western liberal democracy.

Not counting the leaders of illiberal undemocratic countries.

Obviously.

Now name me a leader of a liberal democracy who lied more pathologically than Trump.
 
I'm guessing you're leaving out the entire first half of the twentieth century for starters? A few names come to mind who have the Donald covered and then lapped rather effortlessly.

Oh that's right, Orange Man Bad.
Also depends how bad the lies are too.
Such as one lie about weapons of mass destruction sends a bunch of Americans overseas to get killed and maimed.
Or we're not sending American boys to Vietnam
Or Kennedy the Ussr has more missiles than America not to mention the young models who died.
 
Trump: *lies every time he opens his mouth and attempts to distort the very nature of reality*

Very Smart anti-anti-Trump person: "here's why Trump's non-stop lying is actually not really that bad."
 
Trump: *lies every time he opens his mouth and attempts to distort the very nature of reality*

Very Smart anti-anti-Trump person: "here's why Trump's non-stop lying is actually not really that bad."
I don't like Trump at all. But he ain't the worst. Definitely the most brazen with his lies though.
George W for example started a war, oversaw the hedge fund collapse then bailed out the banks so they can do it again.
 

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I don't like Trump at all. But he ain't the worst. Definitely the most brazen with his lies though.

It's not merely "most brazen" with his lies, it's most prolific with his lies, most constant with his lies, and most nihilistically intentional with his lies.

You can't compare an illiberal con man with a mental disorder that makes him lie pathologically to normal small-l liberal politicians who make policy decisions we may judge to be good or bad.
 
It's not merely "most brazen" with his lies, it's most prolific with his lies, most constant with his lies, and most nihilistically intentional with his lies.

You can't compare an illiberal con man with a mental disorder that makes him lie pathologically to normal small-l liberal politicians who make policy decisions we may judge to be good or bad.
Yeah clearly the most prolific and consistent. And also clearly a personality disorder.
But amazingly even with all that his harm to the world was less than others.
Not trying to say he was good btw. He obviously wasn't.
 
But amazingly even with all that his harm to the world was less than others.

I strongly disagree with this.

You mentioned Bush, for instance, but Trump's foreign policy was absolutely godawful. Significantly worse than Bush's. No US President has done more to damage the Western liberal order or been more of an aid to Western adversaries than Trump through his isolationist America First policies, undermining of allies, and simping for dictators. Foreign policy experts are more or less unanimous in this view, and I agree with them.
 
I strongly disagree with this.

You mentioned Bush, for instance, but Trump's foreign policy was absolutely godawful. Significantly worse than Bush's. No US President has done more to damage the Western liberal order or been more of an aid to Western adversaries than Trump through his isolationist America First policies, undermining of allies, and simping for dictators. Foreign policy experts are more or less unanimous in this view, and I agree with them.
Mmmm i dunno. Starting a war is pretty bad.
 
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