List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

Delisted;
-

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
3. Zak Jones

3

Zak Jones

Age

30

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.8

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

CL

1.7

4star

D

19.1

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

8.6

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.1

4star

CL

4.9

5star

D

7.0

2star

K

2.8

1star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.6

4star

CL

1.0

3star

- Link
6. Sebastian Ross

6

Sebastian Ross

Age

32

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.3

5star

K

13.7

5star

HB

12.6

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.1

5star

D

17.5

4star

K

8.9

4star

HB

8.6

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

2.1

4star

D

15.2

4star

K

8.6

4star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.8

5star

(RFA) - Link
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
15. Jack Billings

14

Jack Billings

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

19.7

5star

K

11.7

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.3

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

4.6

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

(RFA) - Link
18. Patrick Ryder

18

Patrick Ryder

Age

37

Ht

197cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

2.6

4star

HO

19.3

5star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.0

2star

CL

1.8

4star

HO

21.8

5star

D

4.4

1star

K

3.2

2star

HB

1.2

2star

HO

3.0

5star

- Link
24. James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
38. Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link
42. Max Heath

Multiple players found. Use birthday to differentiate. eg [PLAYERCARD="23/11/1962"]Joe Smith[/PLAYERCARD]

- Link
45. Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


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[KingsRansom]

Perhaps not, but it's not about collecting the "best" players.
Premierships are won by assembling the best 22 (plus an extra ~5 quality depth).

Then crossing your fingers and hoping you have a decent run with injury and only have to use your depth sparingly.

My point is that:
A. I think it's a fair bet that we've seen the best of what billings is capable of as a player.
B. I also think it's a fair bet that if given the opportunity, we could in 2-3 years be getting billings level of output at half forward from guys like butler or higgins.

As such, we would be closer to a flag in 2-3 years if we got a pick 10 or so for billings and used it on hopefully the NEXT hunter clark/gresh type...
who in 2-3 years would be excellent midfield depth to support our (in theory) elite mids in 2-3 years of bytel, clark, gresh, steele, crouch.

So we've mostly/ totally covered billings absence at half forward (by backing in butts or higgins etc) AND solidified our mid depth in 2023-24 which is essential for a tilt at a flag.

Risky yes, but premierships are built on taking good risks.
Noone wins flags playing it safe.

Deledio and griffin come to mind.

 

[Pardon me]

Reckon Smack gets another contract after not picking up a free swing in the msd.

 

[Saint_Dos]

Reckon Smack gets another contract after not picking up a free swing in the msd.

I hope not. For someone his age and ability there is not enough upside.
Would prefer to keep Hunter

 

[Saint_Dos]

Probably. If it was me I would cut the list hard at the end of the year.

We have a lot of players either about to retire or on the chopping block.

Alabakis
McKernan
Wood
Hunter
Clavarino
Joyce
Geary
Ryder
Roberton
Kent
Hannebery
Frawley
McKenzie

No surprises if any of those retired or were delisted.

Isnt DMac contracted for next year?
Unlikely to pay him out i would have thought

 

[George]

Isnt DMac contracted for next year?
Unlikely to pay him out i would have thought

Haven't checked, just listing players that are on the edge

 

[Marching]

Trade Battle. Trade Coffield.
Drop Butler. Delist Clav.

 

[The Boar]

There was talks about moving Battle on for a Top 20 pick? I am now fully on board.

Billings out for a 1st Round compo only.

3x Top 20 mids please

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[SaintsSeptember]

Trade Battle. Trade Coffield.
Drop Butler. Delist Clav.

I assume you have a firing squad ready for Higgins then.

 

[Stewart66]

Can't see McKernan get another 1 year depth deal. He's been atrocious.

or Kent ....

 

[kernelT]

Coleman-Jones and Balta should be getting a call.

 

[Browny2Carlisle]

Bloody hell it's hard not to get jealous watching Coleman Jones, chop, Harry Jones and cox.
Interesting that these draftees have made a bigger difference to the bombers than shiel and caldwell

 

[kernelT]

Bloody hell it's hard not to get jealous watching Coleman Jones, chop, Harry Jones and cox.
Interesting that these draftees have made a bigger difference to the bombers than shiel and caldwell

Even watching Amartey today, who'd I'd never heard of… looked like a gun in his second game.

We'd could really do with Heath becoming a star.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Even watching Amartey today, who'd I'd never heard of… looked like a gun in his second game.

We'd could really do with Heath becoming a star.

Just play him as a forward, give him a taste for the game and let him take the forward 50 stoppages

 

[The Boar]

Bring him in for Max to have a rest! Just a game or two before Marshall returns. Would honestly rather that than Paul Hunter or SMac.

Just play him as a forward, give him a taste for the game and let him take the forward 50 stoppages

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[Munga]

4 retire. Another 4 delisted. Take as many kids as possible. Fill the gaps from the "fill" column. I'm being generous with some fills and keeps, but the number of reitred and delisted is hefty enough. One or two moneyball picks would be good too where needed, not the "break glass" type (more Wilkie's less McKernan's).

Name	Final Year	Years Service*	Status	Action
Ben Long	2022	6	Non-Free Agent	Fill
Ben Paton	2022	5	Non-Free Agent	Keep. Although he might not be the same again
Brad Crouch	2025	5	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Bradley Hill	2025	6	Non-Free Agent	Stuck with him. Can only hope he'll become a better player than he's ever been
Callum Wilkie	2023	5	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Daniel Butler	2022	3	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Daniel Hannebery	2023	5	Non-Free Agent	Cooked but won't be delisted with two years left
Daniel McKenzie	2022	8	Restricted Free Agent	Fill
Darragh Joyce	2021	5	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Dean Kent	2021	3	Non-Free Agent	Fill
Dougal Howard	2024	5	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Dylan Roberton	2021	9	Restricted Free Agent	Retired
Hunter Clark	2023	6	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Jack Billings	2021	8	Restricted Free Agent	Don't sell the farm to keep, let him walk otherwise
Jack Bytel	2022	4	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Jack Higgins	2021	1	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Jack Lonie	2021	7	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Jack Sinclair	2021	7	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Jack Steele	2022	6	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Jade Gresham	2023	8	Restricted Free Agent	Keep. Although he might not be the same again. Open to trade/FA if he doesn't get up
Jake Carlisle	2021	6	Non-Free Agent	Retire
James Frawley	2021	1	Non-Free Agent	Retire
Jarryn Geary	2021	15	Unrestricted Free Agent	Retire
Jimmy Webster	2022	11	Unrestricted Free Agent	Keep
Josh Battle	2022	6	Non-Free Agent	I want to keep him, but struggling like many this year
Leo Connolly	2021	2	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Luke Dunstan	2021	8	Restricted Free Agent	Delist
Mason Wood	2021	1	Non-Free Agent	Delist
Matthew Allison	2022	2	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Max King	2022	4	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Nicholas Coffield	2023	6	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Oscar Clavarino	2021	4	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Patrick Ryder	2021	2	Non-Free Agent	Keep if he wants to go on
Paul Hunter	2021	1	Non-Free Agent	Fill
Rowan Marshall	2022	6	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Ryan Byrnes	2022	3	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Sam Alabakis	2021	3	Non-Free Agent	Delist
Sebastian Ross	2021	10	Restricted Free Agent	Apparently close to re-signing
Shaun McKernan	2021	1	Non-Free Agent	Delist
Tim Membrey	2024	10	Restricted Free Agent	Keep
Tom Highmore	2022	2	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Zak Jones	2021	2	Non-Free Agent	The next Hanners. Plan to go forward without him on the field! Warning, should not be offered a large conract!!!

 

[Atomboy]

4 retire. Another 4 delisted. Take as many kids as possible. Fill the gaps from the "fill" column. I'm being generous with some fills and keeps, but the number of reitred and delisted is hefty enough. One or two moneyball picks would be good too where needed, not the "break glass" type (more Wilkie's less McKernan's).

Name	Final Year	Years Service*	Status	Action
Ben Long	2022	6	Non-Free Agent	Fill
Ben Paton	2022	5	Non-Free Agent	Keep. Although he might not be the same again
Brad Crouch	2025	5	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Bradley Hill	2025	6	Non-Free Agent	Stuck with him. Can only hope he'll become a better player than he's ever been
Callum Wilkie	2023	5	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Daniel Butler	2022	3	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Daniel Hannebery	2023	5	Non-Free Agent	Cooked but won't be delisted with two years left
Daniel McKenzie	2022	8	Restricted Free Agent	Fill
Darragh Joyce	2021	5	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Dean Kent	2021	3	Non-Free Agent	Fill
Dougal Howard	2024	5	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Dylan Roberton	2021	9	Restricted Free Agent	Retired
Hunter Clark	2023	6	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Jack Billings	2021	8	Restricted Free Agent	Don't sell the farm to keep, let him walk otherwise
Jack Bytel	2022	4	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Jack Higgins	2021	1	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Jack Lonie	2021	7	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Jack Sinclair	2021	7	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Jack Steele	2022	6	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Jade Gresham	2023	8	Restricted Free Agent	Keep. Although he might not be the same again. Open to trade/FA if he doesn't get up
Jake Carlisle	2021	6	Non-Free Agent	Retire
James Frawley	2021	1	Non-Free Agent	Retire
Jarryn Geary	2021	15	Unrestricted Free Agent	Retire
Jimmy Webster	2022	11	Unrestricted Free Agent	Keep
Josh Battle	2022	6	Non-Free Agent	I want to keep him, but struggling like many this year
Leo Connolly	2021	2	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Luke Dunstan	2021	8	Restricted Free Agent	Delist
Mason Wood	2021	1	Non-Free Agent	Delist
Matthew Allison	2022	2	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Max King	2022	4	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Nicholas Coffield	2023	6	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Oscar Clavarino	2021	4	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Patrick Ryder	2021	2	Non-Free Agent	Keep if he wants to go on
Paul Hunter	2021	1	Non-Free Agent	Fill
Rowan Marshall	2022	6	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Ryan Byrnes	2022	3	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Sam Alabakis	2021	3	Non-Free Agent	Delist
Sebastian Ross	2021	10	Restricted Free Agent	Apparently close to re-signing
Shaun McKernan	2021	1	Non-Free Agent	Delist
Tim Membrey	2024	10	Restricted Free Agent	Keep
Tom Highmore	2022	2	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Zak Jones	2021	2	Non-Free Agent	The next Hanners. Plan to go forward without him on the field! Warning, should not be offered a large conract!!!

12 guys off the list.

Brutal.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

4 retire. Another 4 delisted. Take as many kids as possible. Fill the gaps from the "fill" column. I'm being generous with some fills and keeps, but the number of reitred and delisted is hefty enough. One or two moneyball picks would be good too where needed, not the "break glass" type (more Wilkie's less McKernan's).

Name	Final Year	Years Service*	Status	Action
Ben Long	2022	6	Non-Free Agent	Fill
Ben Paton	2022	5	Non-Free Agent	Keep. Although he might not be the same again
Brad Crouch	2025	5	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Bradley Hill	2025	6	Non-Free Agent	Stuck with him. Can only hope he'll become a better player than he's ever been
Callum Wilkie	2023	5	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Daniel Butler	2022	3	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Daniel Hannebery	2023	5	Non-Free Agent	Cooked but won't be delisted with two years left
Daniel McKenzie	2022	8	Restricted Free Agent	Fill
Darragh Joyce	2021	5	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Dean Kent	2021	3	Non-Free Agent	Fill
Dougal Howard	2024	5	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Dylan Roberton	2021	9	Restricted Free Agent	Retired
Hunter Clark	2023	6	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Jack Billings	2021	8	Restricted Free Agent	Don't sell the farm to keep, let him walk otherwise
Jack Bytel	2022	4	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Jack Higgins	2021	1	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Jack Lonie	2021	7	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Jack Sinclair	2021	7	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Jack Steele	2022	6	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Jade Gresham	2023	8	Restricted Free Agent	Keep. Although he might not be the same again. Open to trade/FA if he doesn't get up
Jake Carlisle	2021	6	Non-Free Agent	Retire
James Frawley	2021	1	Non-Free Agent	Retire
Jarryn Geary	2021	15	Unrestricted Free Agent	Retire
Jimmy Webster	2022	11	Unrestricted Free Agent	Keep
Josh Battle	2022	6	Non-Free Agent	I want to keep him, but struggling like many this year
Leo Connolly	2021	2	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Luke Dunstan	2021	8	Restricted Free Agent	Delist
Mason Wood	2021	1	Non-Free Agent	Delist
Matthew Allison	2022	2	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Max King	2022	4	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Nicholas Coffield	2023	6	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Oscar Clavarino	2021	4	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Patrick Ryder	2021	2	Non-Free Agent	Keep if he wants to go on
Paul Hunter	2021	1	Non-Free Agent	Fill
Rowan Marshall	2022	6	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Ryan Byrnes	2022	3	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Sam Alabakis	2021	3	Non-Free Agent	Delist
Sebastian Ross	2021	10	Restricted Free Agent	Apparently close to re-signing
Shaun McKernan	2021	1	Non-Free Agent	Delist
Tim Membrey	2024	10	Restricted Free Agent	Keep
Tom Highmore	2022	2	Non-Free Agent	Keep
Zak Jones	2021	2	Non-Free Agent	The next Hanners. Plan to go forward without him on the field! Warning, should not be offered a large conract!!!

We could have taken kids mid season. The ones you get for picks 5-8 at the end of the year won't be any better than whats available now.

 

[Munga]

12 guys off the list.

Brutal.

At least 8. The rest depends on how many we want to bring in. Split picks to get as many top 40 as possible. But maybe keep the first pick, just depends on quality and depth of draft. Moving from pick 6 to 12 plus another might make no difference for us with taking the player we want with that first pick. We need to fill list spots, mostly with "potential". If we go after Bing next year, that will eat up our quality picks... need to take kids this year.

 

[Atomboy]

At least 8. The rest depends on how many we want to bring in. Split picks to get as many top 40 as possible. But maybe keep the first pick, just depends on quality and depth of draft. Moving from pick 6 to 12 plus another might make no difference for us with taking the player we want with that first pick. We need to fill list spots, mostly with "potential". If we go after Bing next year, that will eat up our quality picks... need to take kids this year.

Splitting picks hasn’t worked that well for us over the last 10 years. Then again, neither has taking high draft picks.

I reckon we just swap Pick 6 for as many picks in the 40-50’s and Rookie Drafts as we can get. It’s where we do our best work.

 

[Munga]

Splitting picks hasn’t worked that well for us over the last 10 years. Then again, neither has taking high draft picks.

I reckon we just swap Pick 6 for as many picks in the 40-50’s and Rookie Drafts as we can get. It’s where we do our best work.

That's what I mean haha. Aren't they the same thing, splitting and swapping?

 

[saintsrfreak]

Definitely wouldn't mind us having a crack at Mabior Chol. Athletic ruck/forward out of contract, remember him tearing us a new one last year

 

[lewdogs]

Let's give some credit where it's due. Higgins could be an A grade half forward soon. Very good pick up, can't wait to see him run around for us for the next decade.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Let's give some credit where it's due. Higgins could be an A grade half forward soon. Very good pick up, can't wait to see him run around for us for the next decade.

Was fantastic but we talked up him being able to go through the midfield too, when can we see some of that. Could he relieve the pain of losing Gresh

 

[Munga]

A couple of different scenarios.

So Ross and Billings are coming out of contract and are restricted. Dunstan is out of contract and unrestricted. Say we finish the year with pick 7, and we don't have a second round pick.

Let's say we offer Billings a contract but he wants to go elsewhere, and we don't offer Ross nor Dunstan a contract. What compensation might come our way with these three? And whereabouts in the draft?

 

[lewdogs]

Was fantastic but we talked up him being able to go through the midfield too, when can we see some of that. Could he relieve the pain of losing Gresh

He was a gun mid in juniors so who knows... probably needs a bigger tank.

Got a feeling a few might get themselves super fit next off season. This season could be the wake up call we need.