List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part I

George · Aug 22, 2021

Delisted;
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Traded;
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Retired;
Jake Carlisle
Shaun McKernan

Current Players Out of Contract;
3. Zak Jones - Link
6. Sebastian Ross (RFA) - Link
7. Luke Dunstan (RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie - Link
15. Jack Billings (RFA) - Link
18. Patrick Ryder - Link
24. James Frawley - Link
25. Dean Kent - Link
38. Oscar Clavarino - Link
39. Darragh Joyce - Link
41. Paul Hunter - Link
42. Max Heath - Link
45. Sam Alabakis - Link

To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

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Kildonan · May 23, 2021

Kildonan said:
Might be a good time to rethink continually recruiting mature aged players and apply our recruiters' skills to finding youth through the draft process.
We keep throwing away next years star recruits for this years' shiny mature aged player. Our age profile is starting to accumulate at the upper end again ala Ross Lyon era. Concentrate on kids. Rotate this process once we have a better age profile then we can top up on available mature aged players again.

Kildonan said:

Player List 2021

Code:

    Name                 2020 Tot Age Birth Date Height Weight   Origin
  18 Ryder, Patrick        14 257 32 13 Mar 1988 197cm  94kg East Fremantle / Essendon / Port Adelaide
  14 Geary, Jarryn         16 204 32 23 Jun 1988 182cm  82kg Bendigo Pioneers
  24 Frawley, James        14 239 32 20 Sep 1988 193cm  96kg North Ballarat / Melbourne / Hawthorn
  27 McKernan, Shaun        9  87 30 01 Sep 1990 196cm 100kg Calder Cannons / Essendon
  10 Hannebery, Daniel      8 221 29 24 Feb 1991 181cm  80kg Oakleigh Chargers / Sydney
  17 Roberton, Dylan        1 129 29 21 Jun 1991 194cm  91kg Dandenong Stingrays / Fremantle
   2 Carlisle, Jake        13 147 29 01 Oct 1991 201cm 104kg Craigieburn / EssendonFC
  41 Hunter, Paul           0   0 28 09 Feb 1993 200cm 104kg Redland / Adelaide
   6 Ross, Sebastian       16 140 27 07 May 1993 188cm  88kg North Ballarat Rebels
  29 Webster, Jimmy         0  93 27 28 Jun 1993 188cm  83kg Glenorchy
   8 Hill, Bradley         19 168 27 09 Jul 1993 179cm  79kg West Perth / Hawthorn / Fremantle
   5 Crouch, Brad          12  95 26 14 Jan 1994 186cm  85kg North Ballarat Rebels / Adelaide
  25 Kent, Dean            15  91 26 25 Feb 1994 180cm  85kg Perth WAFL / Melbourne
  28 Membrey, Tim          19 110 26 26 May 1994 188cm  89kg Gippsland / Sydney
   7 Dunstan, Luke          1 104 25 29 Jan 1995 185cm  84kg Woodville-West Torrens
  35 Sinclair, Jack        12  98 25 12 Feb 1995 180cm  82kg Oakleigh Chargers
   3 Jones, Zak            16 106 25 15 Mar 1995 181cm  80kg Dandenong Stingrays / Sydney
  15 Billings, Jack        19 126 25 18 Aug 1995 184cm  81kg Oakleigh Chargers
  19 Marshall, Rowan       19  52 25 24 Nov 1995 201cm 104kg North Ballarat Rebels
   9 Steele, Jack          19  97 25 13 Dec 1995 187cm  90kg ACT Rams / GWS
  44 Wilkie, Callum (R)    19  41 24 10 Mar 1996 191cm  87kg North Adelaide
  20 Howard, Dougal        19  64 24 25 Mar 1996 199cm  92kg Murray Bushrangers / Port Adelaide
  36 McKenzie, Daniel       0  49 24 17 May 1996 184cm  83kg Oakleigh Chargers
  16 Butler, Dan           19  64 24 03 Jun 1996 182cm  80kg North Ballarat Rebels / Richmond
  13 Lonie, Jack           13  76 24 13 Aug 1996 174cm  71kg Dandenong Stingrays
  39 Joyce, Darragh (R)     0   5 23 23 Apr 1997 195cm  90kg Ireland
  45 Alabakis, Samuel (R)   0   0 23 02 May 1997 211cm 105kg Perth Wildcats / ULM Warhawks
  21 Long, Ben             15  45 23 21 Aug 1997 182cm  74kg Footscray VFL
   4 Gresham, Jade         11  92 23 24 Aug 1997 177cm  79kg Northern Knights
  34 Highmore, Tom          0   0 22 24 Feb 1998 192cm  89kg Canberra Demons / South Adelaide
  26 Battle, Josh          14  40 22 18 Sep 1998 193cm  92kg Dandenong Stingrays
  33 Paton, Ben            17  35 22 19 Oct 1998 186cm  77kg Murray Bushrangers
   1 Coffield, Nicholas    15  36 21 19 Mar 1999 191cm  82kg Northern Knights
  22 Higgins, Jack         10  43 21 19 Mar 1999 177cm  78kg Oakleigh Chargers / Richmond
  11 Clark, Hunter         18  47 21 26 Mar 1999 186cm  79kg Dandenong Stingrays
  38 Clavarino, Oscar (R)   0   0 21 23 Oct 1999 197cm  89kg Dandenong Stingrays
  23 Bytel, Jack            3   3 20 14 Mar 2000 189cm  78kg Calder Cannons
  12 King, Maxwell         18  18 20 07 Jul 2000 202cm  90kg Sandringham Dragons
  31 Byrnes, Ryan           1   1 19 03 May 2001 181cm  80kg Sandringham Dragons
  37 Connolly, Leo          0   0 19 07 Aug 2001 181cm  74kg Gippsland Power
  30 Allison, Matthew       0   0 18 29 Jan 2002 194cm  81kg Calder Cannons

Our U21 yo cohort consists of 4 players which will drop to 3 players when Winx has his 21st in July
EVERY other club has more youth

Just trying to make it absolutely clear that our focus should not be on mature aged players - time for a youth infusion

gringo2011 · May 23, 2021

bird_man said:
So are the other guys mentioned though. Coleman Jones and the guy from Adelaide are both similar types to Marshall.

Tbh, Crossley isn't a great key forward or a great tap ruck but neither is Marshall.

I think two Marshall types would be be able to work though. The fact both can have an influence forward and around the ground would cause some head aches.

I'd love another Ryder but there aren't many around.

I actually think Crossley is probably more of a natural forward than Marshall even.

gringo2011 · May 23, 2021

Kildonan said:
Just trying to make it absolutely clear that our focus should not be on mature aged players - time for a youth infusion

Nothing at the top or the bottom to be fair. Ross should be our oldest next year potentially and he's going to be 28 along with Hill and Webster. Because we had to patch up our mid career list we had to sell the farm to do it so don't take draft picks. Also like to delete the guys like Parker after a year or two.

Browny2Carlisle · May 23, 2021

Oh and shock. Poulter is a gun.

bird_man · May 23, 2021

gringo2011 said:
I actually think Crossley is probably more of a natural forward than Marshall even.

Not so sure about that.

VFL is a big step down. He kicked 4 goals in a 100 point win against a poor side. Outside of that his highest is two. He's a long way off that Charlue Dixon comparison.

Mowman · May 23, 2021

bird_man said:
Not so sure about that.

VFL is a big step down. He kicked 4 goals in a 100 point win against a poor side. Outside of that his highest is two. He's a long way off that Charlue Dixon comparison.

Bird Man as it stands now what picks do we have come draft time ?

bird_man · May 23, 2021

Mowman said:
Bird Man as it stands now what picks do we have come draft time ?

6, 43, 61

Edit: I'm sure we had Richmond's 4th too but it isn't in the indicitive draft order posted about a month back

parkeysainter · May 23, 2021

Kildonan said:
Just trying to make it absolutely clear that our focus should not be on mature aged players - time for a youth infusion

The majority of our top 10 in the B and F last year were 25 and under.

gringo2011 · May 23, 2021

bird_man said:
Not so sure about that.

VFL is a big step down. He kicked 4 goals in a 100 point win against a poor side. Outside of that his highest is two. He's a long way off that Charlue Dixon comparison.

He's not even a year older than Max King and has little exposed form, he's been playing ruck but his strength is more as a forward.

Mowman · May 23, 2021

bird_man said:
6, 43, 61

Edit: I'm sure we had Richmond's 4th too but it isn't in the indicitive draft order posted about a month back

This is why I think we will let Billings go if someone offers enough for band 1 and have picks 6-7
Tom Morris on SEN Friday was talking about it

parkeysainter · May 23, 2021

Mowman said:
This is why I think we will let Billings go if someone offers enough for band 1 and have picks 6-7
Tom Morris on SEN Friday was talking about it

I know this sounds crazy but get a top 10 pick for Billings. And also split our first round pick or Billings compo pick into 2 picks. We could recruit 3 kids in the top 15 in a very strong draft due to Covid.

Port Adelaide did something similar and got 3 very good kids and it rejuvenated their side.

Sippa · May 23, 2021

If Brad crouch wasn’t band 1 with the contract we gave him not sure how we think billings will be

Mowman · May 23, 2021

Sippa said:
If Brad crouch wasn’t band 1 with the contract we gave him not sure how we think billings will be

Because Brad is only on 600K
Was mentioned on SEN North or Essendon could offer enough to trigger band 1

Browny2Carlisle · May 23, 2021

North could really use a billings type. They should offer him $1m a year

George · May 23, 2021

Mowman said:
Why in the world would Collingwood do that ?

Here you go you have our 1st round pick and we will miss 12months development on a top 10 pick, just makes no sense

You are right, Ned Guy isn't around anymore.

bird_man · May 23, 2021

gringo2011 said:
He's not even a year older than Max King and has little exposed form, he's been playing ruck but his strength is more as a forward.

He's also playing at a lower level than Max King.

Both games I've watched this year he's played mostly as a genuine key forward with Thurlow more in the ruck and to me he doesn't look like the type of player that could make it at AFL level as a key forward only IMO.

The fact he can play both forward and ruck soundly, have an impact around the ground and be aggressive makes him a good prospect though.

I'm all for him, but I just don't see the Charlie Dixon comparison.

bird_man · May 23, 2021

crasha301 said:
We don't need bing we need mids!

We currently have pick 6, I'd also ask the question to the pies for a 1st round pick swap we get there 2021 and they get our 2022.

Giving us pick 3 and 6 currently.

If billings gets band 1 compo he can go too!

Take picks 3, 6 and 7 to draft and get at least 2 mids and maybe another fwd.

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Pies don't have a first round pick, Giants have it

bird_man · May 23, 2021

Mowman said:
This is why I think we will let Billings go if someone offers enough for band 1 and have picks 6-7
Tom Morris on SEN Friday was talking about it

Just don't see it happening. There was the same talk around Crouch last year and he was band 3.

Mikka84 · May 23, 2021

Browny2Carlisle said:
Oh and shock. Poulter is a gun.

Last years draft is turning out to be an early candidate for a super draft. That would be right.

saintsmania · May 23, 2021

And we go and pick up another super speculative KP player in Matt Allison..I hope this post comes back to bite me but honestly with so many mids available we go and pick up a key position player who wasnt expected to go there..so typical of us..just shooting ourselves at every draft

Browny2Carlisle said:
Oh and shock. Poulter is a gun.

BrutThough · May 23, 2021

saintsmania said:
And we go and pick up another super speculative KP player in Matt Allison..I hope this post comes back to bite me but honestly with so many mids available we go and pick up a key position player who wasnt expected to go there..so typical of us..just shooting ourselves at every draft

I know there is this on-going obsession with us drafting midfielders with every single pick.

But considering we are rolling out McKernan, Frawley and Hunter when our first choice KPPs are injured, doesn't that suggest we need more young KPPs on our list?

Mowman · May 23, 2021

BrutThough said:
I know there is this on-going obsession with us drafting midfielders with every single pick.

But considering we are rolling out McKernan, Frawley and Hunter when our first choice KPPs are injured, doesn't that suggest we need more young KPPs on our list?

we need more of everything

Mikka84 · May 23, 2021

Hind continuing his stellar year off the half back. Salt. Wound.

bird_man · May 23, 2021

BrutThough said:
I know there is this on-going obsession with us drafting midfielders with every single pick.

But considering we are rolling out McKernan, Frawley and Hunter when our first choice KPPs are injured, doesn't that suggest we need more young KPPs on our list?

There's no obsession with us taking them with every pick but since Gresham we've used one top 40 pick on a mid (Clark) and 3 on key forwards (King, Battle, Allison).

There was no reason we couldn't use a late pick on a key forward.

Mikka84 · May 23, 2021

Mowman said:
we need more of everything

Think it sums it up really. Our bottom 6 aren’t up to it and we don’t have enough in the elite category top 6. Holes in all areas.

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