List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

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13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[Diehard Saint]

They have Cripps, Cerra will get there, they have Brodie Kemp who is a bit of a Bytel type injury bargain and Dow started to show that he's not a spud this year. If they can get some run out of Williams they might finally come good with some decent coaching and games into youth. The pieces look good on paper but they have to overcome the mental stuff.

In other words, much like us.
Sorry, I think Cripps is not the star he was, sad as it is, but he’s carried that club.
We will finish higher than them next year, mark my words.

 

[gringo2011]

Cripps is on the decline. Cerra's a good player. Never heard of Kemp. Carlton supporters I know were saying Dow is still a bust. Williams good. But they just sacked a coach, I don't think they are as good as you might give them credit for.

They are shit on field but they have heaps of good pieces in place now. KPPs are pretty good especially if Curnow can get on the park. McKay is a genuine dominant tall forward, Weitering and Jones are good. Rebound off half back is excellent with Saad and Docherty and potentially Williams. Ruck looks set into the future with DeKoning, Walsh is a genuine star mid too. To me they look like small forwards are iffy and maybe a second genuine taller forward.

They look like the type of list that could shoot up quickly in the next 2 years. Cerra was a good get for them. I rated their list higher than Essendon's.

 

[St Neil]

Some guy called Carlos / Carl on trade radio suggesting we go after Tim Engish and play Marshall at CHB. Thoughts ?

What would the Bulldogs want for English?

 

[PandaG]

I don't want to have to wait another 10 years while we chase a feel good story over a premiership.

Lol

 

[gringo2011]

In other words, much like us.
Sorry, I think Cripps is not the star he was, sad as it is, but he’s carried that club.
We will finish higher than them next year, mark my words.

They are definitely in our pool, both are in that improvement zone as is Essendon, Sydney and GWS etc. All of them need some youth to step up and the club that has the best internal improvement should jump quickly at some point.

 

[gringo2011]

Can we get any inside word from anyone? About anything? What did DMAC have for breakfast?

Concrete.

 

[Senor Ding Dong]

We don't deserve sympathy for that, we traded down picks in that era as well.

We had pick 12 and 13 (Goddard compo) in the draft in 2012. Swapped 12 for Tom Lee and 24 (Nath Wright), 45 (Josh Saunders).
Not done yet traded 13, 36, 55 for Tom Hickey and 25 (Spencer White) and 46 (traded for Trent Dennis-Lane).

Then did the same with Milera and Saad as well. Pelican started the trout era off with a bang by diluting picks in an era that the franchise clubs had already decimated.

To be fair, the 2012 draft was terrible and probably a good chance to try and be creative. Aside from Brodie Grundy who slid by alot, there was not many decent players in the first 2 rounds past the top 10. Kristian Jaksch and Jessie Lonergan went at our original picks 12 and 13

 

[Mavefromdelburn]

Rendell is off his head.

Just heard him say on tradio that Dusty could come back and be a 60+ year stay at home forward…
That’s not to say I don’t rate Dusty, I do, but jeez.

Also they’re conversing over the Mckay twins vs King twins. Damo went the McKays.

 

[bird_man]

Some Clubs can afford the luxury of a first round pick not playing for 2 seasons. We are not one of those clubs..

Allison is the only first round pick out of those guys and he was very late in the first.

The others are either late picks or MSD.

Bytel was given every opportunity this year. I think he'll have to step up again if he's going to cement a spot.

Byrnes can play other roles luckily but I still think he'll have to fìght for a spot, same with Connolly.

Allison looked a long way off this year and Heath seems is going to have to put a lot of work in to get to AFL level so it's a big ask for him to do it by mid year.

 

[St Neil]

According to Edmund he still thinks Ross will sign after how confident Ratten was in his last interview.

He did say he thought it would have been done by now though but hasn't heard of any clubs chasing his signature.

Unless he and his management are keeping a secret it doesn't seem likely he will leave.

That news has not improved my day?

 

[St Neil]

We have only started our full on rebuild three years ago when Lethlean arrived. Carlton should start to move up soon. Their list just needs time now, they have most of the pieces in place.

Disagree. Carlton’s list is bog average. Massively overrated.

They have 6-7 really good players and the rest are genuinely ho-hum. They won’t be playing finals.

 

[PandaG]

Bevo clearly doesn't rate English. Played Lewis Young in the ruck this season and couldn't wait to get Martin into the side. From all report he wants to go back to W.A

I think a pick in the 20's may get the job done. Marshall CHF rotating with English would be an ideal scenario and has our ruck stocks sorted for the next 10 years.

English reminds me a lot of Tom hickey
Lots of talent
Not a level of mungrel needs to be top level competitive ruck on a consistent basis. Would rather ladhams with Marshall and the two king boys
Trade Excess players for one of the Gold Coast midfielders who is flying in 2 years time (Noah Anderson)
Pick some young kids to fill our gaps.
Done

 

[gringo2011]

To be fair, the 2012 draft was terrible and probably a good chance to try and be creative. Aside from Brodie Grundy who slid by alot, there was not many decent players in the first 2 rounds past the top 10. Kristian Jaksch and Jessie Lonergan went at our original picks 12 and 13

It was a pretty thin one but to get nothing from it. Richmond got McIntosh and Vlastuin out of it. The top end was pretty solid.

 

[gringo2011]

Disagree. Carlton’s list is bog average. Massively overrated.

They have 6-7 really good players and the rest are genuinely ho-hum. They won’t be playing finals.

They have better top end we have a more even spread.

 

[gringo2011]

English reminds me a lot of Tom hickey
Lots of talent
Not a level of mungrel needs to be top level competitive ruck on a consistent basis. Would rather ladhams with Marshall and the two king boys
Trade Excess players for one of the Gold Coast midfielders who is flying in 2 years time (Noah Anderson)
Pick some young kids to fill our gaps.
Done

He's not a great ruck, he's a very good tall roamer but not really a great KP. He's a bit like Marshall.

 

[gringo2011]

Rendell is off his head.

Just heard him say on tradio that Dusty could come back and be a 60+ year stay at home forward…
That’s not to say I don’t rate Dusty, I do, but jeez.

Also they’re conversing over the Mckay twins vs King twins. Damo went the McKays.

The McKays are finished articles so it's easy to jump on them but Kings have a higher ceiling IMO.

 

[PandaG]

He's not a great ruck, he's a very good tall roamer but not really a great KP. He's a bit like Marshall.

Do we need a tap ruckman..or just a backup option? Also are there many tap ruckman out there..? I just don’t think we should go into 2022 with Paul Hunter as a backup, his game vs Melb this year was embarrassing.
Also Paddy should be planned to play weeks 1-5 (build momentum) and 10-14 and 20-27, if he is flying we are a top 4 chance (injuries pending of course).

look i also agree, if Sharman becomes a star, we should ignor Ben and trade for Noah, we have 12 months to find out.

 

[saint66au]

That news has not improved my day?

Been flagged for a couple of weeks. Definitely looked around but looks like the Saints deal was the best on the table, if not the only one.

 

[Significant]

He's not a great ruck, he's a very good tall roamer but not really a great KP. He's a bit like Marshall.

When you think of how tall he is, his hitout production numbers are actually abysmal. I play a category based fantasy footy game which hitouts play some part, and even games where he has played as the sole ruck you see him get low to mid 20s in hitouts. It's actually mind-boggling how easily he gets beat in the ruck.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

To be fair, the 2012 draft was terrible and probably a good chance to try and be creative. Aside from Brodie Grundy who slid by alot, there was not many decent players in the first 2 rounds past the top 10. Kristian Jaksch and Jessie Lonergan went at our original picks 12 and 13

It was a shithouse draft.

That is one the big things with rebuilding, being lucky enough to have a good draft when you get picks.

12 months on and those 2 picks gets you players like Cripps, Cam McCarthy or Zak Jones

 

[PandaG]

When you think of how tall he is, his hitout production numbers are actually abysmal. I play a category based fantasy footy game which hitouts play some part, and even games where he has played as the sole ruck you see him get low to mid 20s in hitouts. It's actually mind-boggling how easily he gets beat in the ruck.

Yep
I thinks it’s been mentioned but if Flynn is staying at gws, Briggs looks like the man we should target 200cm and will get games on our list

 

[PandaG]

Been flagged for a couple of weeks. Definitely looked around but looks like the Saints deal was the best on the table, if not the only one.

Hopeful he is the Nathan Jones of 2022

 

[St Neil]

They have better top end we have a more even spread.

Their top end is not better. That’s a myth. They have Walsh, McKay, Weitering, De Koening (who will be a star) and Cripps (who is in decline).

Saad is OK. Williams can be OK. Jones is good but will be 31 next year. They will soon have Cerra who is a nice player but isn’t elite.

The rest are average. McGovern is a bust. Dow is a bust. O’Brien is a bust. Stocker is speculative. Setterfield is barely average. Petrevski-Seton has stalled and wants out. Docherty and Plowman are no better than plodders. And the rest are making up the numbers.

Seriously. They are the most over hyped mob in the AFL.

 

[The Punter]

The mistake in 2012 was choosing not to pay Brendon Goddard.

 

[Ducky Tie]

Their top end is not better. That’s a myth. They have Walsh, McKay, Weitering, De Koening (who will be a star) and Cripps (who is in decline).

Saad is OK. Williams can be OK. Jones is good but will be 31 next year. They will soon have Cerra who is a nice player but isn’t elite.

The rest are average. McGovern is a bust. Dow is a bust. O’Brien is a bust. Stocker is speculative. Setterfield is barely average. Petrevski-Seton has stalled and wants out. Docherty and Plowman are no better than plodders. And the rest are making up the numbers.

Seriously. They are the most over hyped mob in the AFL.

That's still a better top end than us. They have three players who are AA standard in Walsh, McKay and Weitering. We have one. Two if King comes on as we expect. It doesn't make their list better, but they do have more A graders at the moment.