List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

We are onto Part 3.

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[Diehard Saint]

Neale breaks silence, reveals plans for AFL future

Brisbane star Lachie Neale says stories about him leaving the club 'got out of hand'

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I think you forgot to put the sauce

Freo: Two first round picks? Forget it.
Neale: I’m extremely happy at the Lions, never wanted to leave. Not sure where that rumour came from.

 

[Diehard Saint]

It only says most likely. Many highly thought of draftees dont go first round.

And if they do, Libba will find us some more diamonds like Connolly and Sharman in the 60s.

 

[Remboy]

We’ll always have that photoshopped design to show our kids and say, “Luke Parker was a saint”.


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I remember he and Heeney forming a dynamic duo for the Saints.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Freo: Two first round picks? Forget it.
Neale: I’m extremely happy at the Lions, never wanted to leave. Not sure where that rumour came from.

Turns out ,,, Cant go any club

But i think we need Tony to confirm this before its true

 

[prophetic1]

the bloke comes across as a petulant child...embarrassing

Just the same wouldn't mind if he was in RWB and it was our boys he was being a petulant flog over!

 

[joydivision22]

If they are drafted between picks 1-20, we dont get them.

If they are bid on between picks 21-40, we can match the bid with draft points and get them at a discount. We can do this with later picks, we dont need to trade into the 20/30s. If we dont have enough points with our picks this year, we go into a points deficit for our pick in that round next year which just slides that pick back a few places.

If they are bid on after pick 41, we can get them with our next available pick.

Feel like the most likely thing to happen is the both get nominated 21-40? Would be a good idea to get hold of pick 18 (drops down to no 20 with bids to Daicos, Darcy) just in case someone wants to really bend us over a the final hurdle. Would be keen to draft Sam Butler who would be around that mark.

Best case they both dont get a nom until after 41 and we get pick 11 and 20 and windyhager ownes with picks 98, 99

 

[Premium]

Neale attempt to get back to Fremantle was never going to happen with Bell involved in the trade , dealing with him is just torture as we found out with Hill.
The Cerra trade is going to be interesting what he comes up with.

 

[botts]

Feel like the most likely thing to happen is the both get nominated 21-40? Would be a good idea to get hold of pick 18 (drops down to no 20 with bids to Daicos, Darcy) just in case someone wants to really bend us over a the final hurdle. Would be keen to draft Sam Butler who would be around that mark.

Best case they both dont get a nom until after 41 and we get pick 11 and 20 and windyhager ownes with picks 98, 99

God that would be the dream

 

[puppy_dog7]

Come on Ben, heed your ex captains advice. Won’t be playing finals up at the Gold Coast. Better come back home

 

[Fehring]

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Come on Ben, heed your ex captains advice. Won’t be playing finals up at the Gold Coast. Better come back home

Perfect summary of the culture at the Suns. They don't believe in each other. Frigging soul destroying, I would think.

I also can't help but wonder whether a guy who thinks like that might go missing in a prelim or a GF...

 

[BrutThough]

Feel like the most likely thing to happen is the both get nominated 21-40? Would be a good idea to get hold of pick 18 (drops down to no 20 with bids to Daicos, Darcy) just in case someone wants to really bend us over a the final hurdle. Would be keen to draft Sam Butler who would be around that mark.

Best case they both dont get a nom until after 41 and we get pick 11 and 20 and windyhager ownes with picks 98, 99

Yep, Cal Twomey thinks they should both get through to that bracket.

Getting that pick would be a great scenario for us, but how would we get it? We dont have any picks to package up and we need to keep our first for next year incase Bing happens.

 

[joydivision22]

Yep, Cal Twomey thinks they should both get through to that bracket.

Getting that pick would be a great scenario for us, but how would we get it? We dont have any picks to package up and we need to keep our first for next year incase Bing happens.

Yeah difficult sell.. Well it's Brisbane's pick at the moment. Maybe we could trade them a bundle of future picks which would help them with Ashcroft bid next year. I would probably be happy to slide down a little with our first.

What I would do: Our pick 9 and future 2nd for Brisbane's pick 14 & 18 & 57

 

[JediSaint]

Yep, Cal Twomey thinks they should both get through to that bracket.

Getting that pick would be a great scenario for us, but how would we get it? We dont have any picks to package up and we need to keep our first for next year incase Bing happens.

How did we get pick 20?
we have 9,46,64. or am I missing something.

 

[Max the great]

I was pretty impressed by what I saw from Flynn, can't see the giants letting him go though.

Mabior Chol is more than capable of backing Paddy Ryder up. Plays with good energy after the hitout I think he would offer a bit in the middle in terms of run and carry from congestion.

Nick Bryan at Essendon and Darcy Fort at Geelong might might be receptive to an approach.

Darcy Fort. That's nearly as disgusting as the guy who suggested Dom Tyson. Common man.

 

[St Neil]

Yeah difficult sell.. Well it's Brisbane's pick at the moment. Maybe we could trade them a bundle of future picks which would help them with Ashcroft bid next year. I would probably be happy to slide down a little with our first.

What I would do: Our pick 9 and future 2nd for Brisbane's pick 14 & 18 & 57

The difficulty with that is we couldn’t trade our 2022 1st RDP in a trade for Bing unless we were also able to trade in a replacement
2022 2nd RDP.

Clubs are not allowed to trade-out both a 1st and a 2nd in any draft year unless there is at least one replacement pick in the first two rounds.

If we traded the 2022 & 2023 1st RDPs for Bing then neither second could be simultaneously traded out at the time. So bringing forward our 2023 2nd RDP to cover the shortfall in 2022 wouldn’t be allowed by the AFL.

This is where not getting free agency compensation for Dunstan, Ross and Billings really hurts. We seem to be one pick short this year (at the moment).

 

[joydivision22]

The difficulty with that is we couldn’t trade our 2022 1st RDP in a trade for Bing unless we were also able to trade in a replacement
2022 2nd RDP.

Clubs are not allowed to trade-out both a 1st and a 2nd in any draft year unless there is at least one replacement pick in the first two rounds.

If we traded the 2022 & 2023 1st RDPs for Bing then neither second could be simultaneously traded out at the time. So bringing forward our 2023 2nd RDP to cover the shortfall in 2022 wouldn’t be allowed by the AFL.

This is where not getting free agency compensation for Dunstan, Ross and Billings really hurts. We seem to be one pick short this year (at the moment).

Hmm right.. well maybe 9 for 14 & 18 would be sufficient? We could trade F2's as a kicker which would alleviate the above problem.

 

[bird_man]

Yep, Cal Twomey thinks they should both get through to that bracket.

Getting that pick would be a great scenario for us, but how would we get it? We dont have any picks to package up and we need to keep our first for next year incase Bing happens.

The only way I see us doing it would be by letting Battle and Ross go and then using those picks to trade up.

Or one of those and using future picks on top.

Either way it probably doesn't look like a great result for us.

 

[BrutThough]

How did we get pick 20?
we have 9,46,64. or am I missing something.

We don't have pick 20.

Just discussing whether it is something we could get over the trade period.

 

[St Neil]

Hmm right.. well maybe 9 for 14 & 18 would be sufficient? We could trade F2's as a kicker which would alleviate the above problem.

If we genuinely believe there is a chance Windhager or Owens could zoom into the top 20, and if we really rate both lads, then that might be an option. But Brisbane would want another pick from somewhere coming back.

We remain one pick short. In the absence of free agency compensation then we need to find one from somewhere. If Bing is likely to come back to us then we need to keep our future second rounders in place.

 

[Saint Shags]

Would we consider having a look at Kelly from the Crows?

 

[BrutThough]

The difficulty with that is we couldn’t trade our 2022 1st RDP in a trade for Bing unless we were also able to trade in a replacement
2022 2nd RDP.

Clubs are not allowed to trade-out both a 1st and a 2nd in any draft year unless there is at least one replacement pick in the first two rounds.

If we traded the 2022 & 2023 1st RDPs for Bing then neither second could be simultaneously traded out at the time. So bringing forward our 2023 2nd RDP to cover the shortfall in 2022 wouldn’t be allowed by the AFL.

This is where not getting free agency compensation for Dunstan, Ross and Billings really hurts. We seem to be one pick short this year (at the moment).

Pretty sure you can trade out both your 1st and 2nd round pick in a draft. We didn't have a first or second round pick in 2019.

You just cant trade out both your future 1st and future 2nd.

But say we traded out our future 2nd this year, we could still trade our first round pick next year once we got to that trade period.

 

[joydivision22]

If we genuinely believe there is a chance Windhager or Owens could zoom into the top 20, and if we really rate both lads, then that might be an option. But Brisbane would want another pick from somewhere coming back.

We remain one pick short. In the absence of free agency compensation then we need to find one from somewhere. If Bing is likely to come back to us then we need to keep our future second rounders in place.

I'm suggesting we simply swap our F2 with Brisbane's F2 as part of the 9 for 14 & 18 deal. May not be enough but would be close. This gets us an extra pick this year and retains our full set next year

 

[BrutThough]

Would we consider having a look at Kelly from the Crows?

Dont think he is a big need for us. We have a lot of those 190ish rebounding defenders already.

 

[St Neil]

Pretty sure you can trade out both your 1st and 2nd round pick in a draft. We didn't have a first or second round pick in 2019.

You just cant trade out both your future 1st and future 2nd.

But say we traded out our future 2nd this year, we could still trade our first round pick next year once we got to that trade period.

I stand corrected if you’re right. These draft rules are confusing. We also have the rule of using two 1st RDPs in a rolling four year period to further complicate matters.

 

[St Neil]

Pretty sure you can trade out both your 1st and 2nd round pick in a draft. We didn't have a first or second round pick in 2019.

You just cant trade out both your future 1st and future 2nd.

But say we traded out our future 2nd this year, we could still trade our first round pick next year once we got to that trade period.

I stand corrected if you’re right. These draft rules are confusing. We also have the rule of using two 1st RDPs in a rolling four year period to further complicate matters.