List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

We are onto Part 3.

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

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13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[PostmanBish]

Ben King is going to the Bombers

Injecting some height and class into their forward line?

 

[sunny3193]

For those actually listening to Trade Radio; are they just rolling through the 18 clubs or are we getting more attention?

 

[gringo2011]

It would if it happened this year.

Probably not when he is out of contract, but we'd still have to be prepared to give up a hell of a lot for him.

Even next year they will have us over a barrel. We can't walk him through the PSD and all we have is to give them close to what they want. They also need to scare off all the other raiders coming for their kids so it's a test case for them. The AFL will be on their side as well. There isn't going to be much sentiment to get him to us on the cheap and it will get messy.

 

[Sun Ra]

I seriously hope we are no longer going down the Frawley, McKernan, Wood, etc. path anymore - not withstanding that Wood got a one year contact. (?)
No more recycling aging has-beens please. (Not including Paddy Ryder in this of course)

 

[gringo2011]

I seriously hope we are no longer going down the Frawley, McKernan, Wood, etc. path anymore - not withstanding that Wood got a one year contact. (?)
No more recycling aging has-beens please.

We will probably have to unfortunately. We are going to have a heap of free list spots this year and we are looking at seriously cutting into our depth. I can't see us taking more than 4 players in the draft including NGAs. Losing Dunstan and Ross types with out a back up would make us 2 midfield injuries off playing kids and players from other positions in the mids. Good for development, not great for playing finals.

 

[BrutThough]

I seriously hope we are no longer going down the Frawley, McKernan, Wood, etc. path anymore - not withstanding that Wood got a one year contact. (?)
No more recycling aging has-beens please. (Not including Paddy Ryder in this of course)

Wood just turned 28 so I dont think he is comparable to a Frawley and McKernan as an 'ageing has-been'.

 

[Saintbloke]

I seriously hope we are no longer going down the Frawley, McKernan, Wood, etc. path anymore - not withstanding that Wood got a one year contact. (?)
No more recycling aging has-beens please. (Not including Paddy Ryder in this of course)

What did Frawley and McKernan bring to the club this season to get us into finals-nothing. Wood I think is still worth it- good smarts as a forward.

 

[KingsRansom]

GC have hated us every since we done that tweet after the draft about Ben coming to us when we drafted Max.

Even if he does ask for a trade, this will be the most expensive trade in history and one that I would not be comfortable making.

Time and time again Midfields win grand finals. We have already what looks like a once in a generation type key forward on the books with reasonable support in Membrey and Sharman plus maybe Battle or Marshall.

We have 1 elite mid and the rest are solid citizens. We need 2 more elite mids to be a top 2 side which wins flags

Just wondering if you know the powerball numbers for tonight as well

 

[KingsRansom]

Sounds like the Petracca Paddy debate. I think the whole thing is a massive distraction and makes us lazy. We are moving pieces around and pushing pieces around to fit in a player we don't have any guarantees of even getting. I wish we'd just do something the normal way occasionally. We never seem to go by a script. Drafting your stars then filling the holes is a time honoured list build strategy.

We seem to be stripping the list out and rebuilding it with imported GOPs and high risk cheap draft picks and trying to replace the missing draft picks with semi developed players from other clubs which cost us more picks. Essendon and Carlton followed that path and have stayed in purgatory the whole time. Both have drafted their way out of it since then.

They have? Last I checked we have won more finals in the last 6 years than both of them combined

 

[AirWinmar]

Injecting some height and class into their forward line?

Wouldn't be the first time they injected their forward line

 

[Joffaboy]

Who cares about Ben King, if it ever happens it wount be for 12 months.

And if it does it will be the biggest letdown for supporters as it was telegraphed for 12 months.

The Ben

It would if it happened this year.

Probably not when he is out of contract, but we'd still have to be prepared to give up a hell of a lot for him.

a late second rounder should do it

 

[George]

Sounds like the Petracca Paddy debate. I think the whole thing is a massive distraction and makes us lazy. We are moving pieces around and pushing pieces around to fit in a player we don't have any guarantees of even getting. I wish we'd just do something the normal way occasionally. We never seem to go by a script. Drafting your stars then filling the holes is a time honoured list build strategy.

We seem to be stripping the list out and rebuilding it with imported GOPs and high risk cheap draft picks and trying to replace the missing draft picks with semi developed players from other clubs which cost us more picks. Essendon and Carlton followed that path and have stayed in purgatory the whole time. Both have drafted their way out of it since then.

We aren't moving and pushing anything around. This nonsense has all stemmed from a person in the media and his struggle to comprehend. We've already given the media a hard no on this topic, and they've still asked us. They will not stop as long as the colours on Ben and Max's jumpers are different.

Dunno what the rest has to do with anything really, we're discussing the incorrect comment of our club saying they expect to sign Ben King.

Don't get sucked into it. We've not had a year where the list didn't improve in a while now. We've continually added pieces and year on year the quality of the list has improved. We haven't gutted anything but the deadwood. All this King stuff is is something to fill time. You should listen to the Gallagher interview. We couldn't have been more blunt.

 

[True Believer]

Who cares about Ben King, if it ever happens it wount be for 12 months.

And if it does it will be the biggest letdown for supporters as it was telegraphed for 12 months.

The Ben


a late second rounder should do it

Future. A future second rounder...........

 

[Joffaboy]

Sounds like the Petracca Paddy debate. I think the whole thing is a massive distraction and makes us lazy.

Quite the opposite. it is absolutely no distraction to this year as it wont happen, which means we are concentrating on the draft, with somehow adding an extra top 15 dp, getting two quality junior mids and hopefully getting the two NGA's.

If anything it focusses our strategy for the next three years.

So what happens if we don't get B.King? We have two extra FRDP's (2022 and 2023) a lot of freed up cap space and a whole lot of other options. Free Agency n another missing piece and more quality kids? Or trades for more experience etc.

I think the strategy is sound. After two years where we brought in 8 immediate first 22 players (if I include Highmore) and got some real bonus youth quality in Byrnes, Connelly, and Sharman player excellent roles, I like the 'hit the draft' strategy.

I reckon this strategy was put together in 2018, probably tweaked after we missed King, and now we are going to at least execute the plan and hopefully reap the benefits of the youth coming in.

 

[Sun Ra]

Future. A future second rounder...........

Ben just needs to tell the Suns (via his manager of course) he's considering transitioning to becoming a woman and that he's just discovered LSD. He also wants to go back to Melbourne to spend time with his mum who will understand and support him. Oh, and yes, he wants to be traded to StKilda. Maybe throw in something about identifying with the Wachowskis (Matrix directors/creators). Then a future second rounder becomes a thing !

 

[Rors]

I seriously hope we are no longer going down the Frawley, McKernan, Wood, etc. path anymore - not withstanding that Wood got a one year contact. (?)
No more recycling aging has-beens please. (Not including Paddy Ryder in this of course)

I would expect one ‘break glass in case of emergency’ back-up KPD to be selected from the list of delisted free agents, as injury coverage

But any more than one would be a no-no IMO

 

[The_Snake26]

GC have hated us every since we done that tweet after the draft about Ben coming to us when we drafted Max.

Even if he does ask for a trade, this will be the most expensive trade in history and one that I would not be comfortable making.

Time and time again Midfields win grand finals. We have already what looks like a once in a generation type key forward on the books with reasonable support in Membrey and Sharman plus maybe Battle or Marshall.

We have 1 elite mid and the rest are solid citizens. We need 2 more elite mids to be a top 2 side which wins flags

Bulldogs Probably have the 2nd best midfield in the comp. probably the best if you consider how deep it runs. But imo flags these days are won in defence.
melbourne have best 1-2 tall combo in May and Lever. Excellent distributors in Salem and Bowey. And roll players like Petty and Hibberd.
Dogs defence is pretty average. Dale and Daniel are excellent distributors but that’s about it. Compare it to their 2016 team and it’s not even close.
Go back through every GF winning side over the last 20 years and have a look at how strong their defence was
A strong midfield definitely, and we need another A grader but another A grade tall defender to partner Howard and Wilkie would see us improve drastically

 

[Rors]

Future. A future second rounder...........

I’d give them Lonie & a future 4th

 

[Premium]

Never heard anything about St Kilda officially saying anything apart from "we'd love him at our club, same as every club would" but that's it.
Only journos amd punters have said it's saints to lose

Really who cares , he was drafted to a State and team he didn't want to go to and only signed on due to the crazy money they give out.

 

[Sun Ra]

Really who cares , he was drafted to a State and team he didn't want to go to and only signed on due to the crazy money they give out.

Exactly

 

[Rors]

Bulldogs Probably have the 2nd best midfield in the comp. probably the best if you consider how deep it runs. But imo flags these days are won in defence.
melbourne have best 1-2 tall combo in May and Lever. Excellent distributors in Salem and Bowey. And roll players like Petty and Hibberd.
Dogs defence is pretty average. Dale and Daniel are excellent distributors but that’s about it. Compare it to their 2016 team and it’s not even close.
Go back through every GF winning side over the last 20 years and have a look at how strong their defence was
A strong midfield definitely, and we need another A grader but another A grade tall defender to partner Howard and Wilkie would see us improve drastically

2016 Bulldogs - Fletcher Roberts, Joel Hamling & Shane Biggs say hi

Elite quality midfields win Grand Finals

The other lines of forwards & backs just need to function at an elite level, doesn’t matter what the personnel is made up of

 

[StCicatriz]

Where did they say this? If it’s clear enough for you to give glib one word replies about it, show the actual quote.

How am I meant to provide a quote of a personal conversation?

 

[The_Steadier]

Still no signing for Seb Ross?

I heard he got hold of the contract heaps, but each time his pen hits the roof and misses the signature block by 30 metres.

 

[jwikked]

How am I meant to provide a quote of a personal conversation?

Your conversation?

 

[jwikked]

Never heard anything about St Kilda officially saying anything apart from "we'd love him at our club, same as every club would" but that's it.
Only journos amd punters have said it's saints to lose

The club tweeted on draft night something along the lines of “see you in 2 years, Ben” which I thought was pretty funny, it got others upset though.