Analysis 2021 trade thread

[Nunez]

Probably little but it's a much simpler role

He was drafted as a mid but always a project pick. Even Bailey can't break into being a full time mid and hes much more developed in that role than Starce

It is, and certainly has suited Starce as he's built his tank and gotten conditioned for a full season of AFL - something he's struggled to do. Now that he has that fitness base and conditioning, there is no better time to trial him in a more offensive role IMO. Is he any guarantee to make it? Of course not. But his strengths as a player could prove to be damaging if he's given a more offensive role.

 

[AFLQLD]

Carter Michael might be a future option down back as well if he keeps developing. Seems to have a decent pace, awareness and disposal. Left footers off half back are a valuable asset as we know.

Carter has some lovely skills and good awareness. Some work still to do on defence and positional play but he reads the flight of the ball quite nicely. Of the established players he strikes me as a Birchall/Rich replacement more than anything else. Not particularly fast and probably only just getting settled in to the professional level but he shows a few signs. A good full preseason and a competitive VFL season could do him wonders.

 

[briztoon]

Chris Johnson son has been delisted surely the Lions will look at rookie listing him

 

[BuntonRules]

I think the next step for Starc is to help takeover Brichall's distributing role along with Coleman, I believe Prior could really help with our ball use and rebound as well if he gets the nod to replace Birch's spot in the side.

Agreed on the first bit, but would prefer Maddern to get the first crack. just feel he adds something special. He also plays the shutdown defender well.

That said, I am a fan of Prior, just see him as more of a wingman.

 

[briztoon]

Probably little but it's a much simpler role

He was drafted as a mid but always a project pick. Even Bailey can't break into being a full time mid and hes much more developed in that role than Starce

I agree with you on just about everything you’ve said in this discussion, except for the “project pick” bit.

I’d hate to think that the club would spend pick 19 on a project player. But then we did it the year after as well.

 

[lioninthesand]

Next year is supposed to be a strong draft- best to keep it and see what offers come our way or use it to get the Dogs 1st

'Next years draft' is supposedly 'strong' every year at this time. I swear this is my annual obligatory post to point this out

 

[lioninthesand]

We need a ruckman to help Oscar. Could someone put up a list of candidates, with their contract status, age, etc?

Does this ruckman play? If so how do we carry 3 tall forward (once Hippy is bsck) and 2 rucks?

The addition of Joe is great, however.. we are pretty much locked into the current set up going forward barring injury.

Joe is our help to Oscar.

 

[jackess]

I agree with you on just about everything you’ve said in this discussion, except for the “project pick” bit.

I’d hate to think that the club would spend pick 19 on a project player. But then we did it the year after as well.

Maybe project is a stretch but it definitely wasn't a safe pick.

 

[irel]

Maybe project is a stretch but it definitely wasn't a safe pick.

Josh Schache was a safe pick.

 

[jackess]

Josh Schache was a safe pick.

Thanks for the update

 

[Scubaveg]

Thanks for the update

Snarky.


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[Scubaveg]

Not saying there's any harm (apart from a minor setback in him developing as a Backman) just that there is very little evidence to suggest he'll be able to transition to being a full time midfielder

Even less evidence Rayner will be able to.


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[irel]

Thanks for the update

My pleasure.

 

[jackess]

Even less evidence Rayner will be able to.


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You sure? Which player has won more centre clearances?

 

[blueiris]

Josh Schache was a safe pick.

He wasn’t really when Oliver had he’s heart set on joining the Lions

 

[dlanod]

He wasn’t really when Oliver had he’s heart set on joining the Lions

Oliver was a massively risky pick at the time. In hindsight it was the right pick but he'd basically exploded in the second half of the TAC Cup season with little form prior and often you'll see those guys flame out rather than keep alight.

 

[davemc_lions]

With ruck most teams carrying two players who can ruck and go forward.
We have a forward who can pinch in the ruck although normally gets beaten Joe or Fullarton
Lane and H Smith very young we never tried Archie so I assume his cards are marked.
I think we need a mature ruck/forward who can play while Hippy off
Then we look at can we carry Joe, Hippy, McStay and a 2nd ruck in the forward line
Joe and Hippy not bad at ground level maybe we can go 4 talls for times. Or rest one on the bench.
You notice when Oscar resting teams get on top and some games he seemed burnt out and still carrying a injury

Look at the other top 8 teams only GWS seem to play one a lot of the time although have Briggs and Flynn who played with Mummy.

Demons Gawn/Jackson
Dogs Martin/English or Young/English
Cats Stanley/Hawkins/Ratulogoa and Blicavs
Port Lycett/Ladhams
Swans Hickey/McClean
Essendon Draper/Wright

Edit looking at stats for the year
Fullarton avg 3.5.. 42 hitouts from 12 games best 8,6,6,4,4,4
Joe 49 hitouts 9,6,6,5,4
Luke Jackson

9

Luke Jackson

Age

24

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

3star

K

3.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

avg 10.4 and worst he did playing second fiddle to gawn was 5 hitouts in a match
Hawkins avg 3.7 playing forward.

 

[davemc_lions]

with picks I do wonder as said with smaller lists will you go for developing pick.
Or get players who can slot in more quickly.

Can see a lot of Vic kids left to hope they can play overage next year
a lot might just not carry on as well after 2 years of hardly any games
The late bloomers never got a chance

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Oliver was a massively risky pick at the time. In hindsight it was the right pick but he'd basically exploded in the second half of the TAC Cup season with little form prior and often you'll see those guys flame out rather than keep alight.

See: Ely Smith.

 

[martinson]

See: Ely Smith.

Every draft pick is risky isn't it.

Except it seems Walsh.

Rowell created a millstone for himself the way he played in those first 3 games. Hard to keep living up to that once everyone thinks you're a champ after 3 games.

It's been very tough for draftees who can't crack the Senior team the last 2 years. It's hard proving yourself on the preps. these kids have through the covid era.

 

[martinson]

Hipwood coming back and having any significant impact in 2022 is a long shot imo and we should be prepared for that.

 

[BuntonRules]

See: Ely Smith.

Bit of difference in pick 4 and pick 20, or thereabouts. Mind you Melbourne reached for Petracca and Jackson too.

 

[briztoon]

'Next years draft' is supposedly 'strong' every year at this time. I swear this is my annual obligatory post to point this out

This isn’t actually correct.

2017 wasn’t considered a strong draft crop at all, very much laking in top end talent and depth.

2018 was very much talked about as having the deepest top end talent seen in a decade or more, from their U16 championships.

2019 wasn’t considered strong or deep, as there was a lack of top Vic talent beyond Rowell, based off the U16 championship

This year’s draft crop was much talked about from their U16 carnival. Vic Metro dominated, and had some highly rated kids who missed selection due to the depth of the metro squad. Then each of the other teams had some good top end players as well, and were considered pretty even.

The 2016 championships have always been an early indicator of that future drafts strength or weakness.

This year got in an U17 championships at the beginning of the season. Plus the Northern academies played state based series. And we’ve seen a lot of U17’s in the SA and WA Colts and reserves.

What next years draft is considered to have is a deeper top end talent group, of 5 players. There is also a good mix of KPP’s throughout the potential first round. And a pretty even spread of talent from each state. The only perceived downside is the lack of taller mids in next year’s draft crop, a lot of 6 foot or under mids.

One point of interest, is if the Vic talent looks shallow at the National U16 championships, it’s often considered a weak draft, because typically 55%+ of the draft pool comes from Victoria.

 

[briztoon]

Bit of difference in pick 4 and pick 20, or thereabouts. Mind you Melbourne reached for Petracca and Jackson too.

Petracca wasn’t a reach. He was very much considered the top talent in the draft.

Jackson wasn’t considered a reach either. He was runner up in the U18 championships Larke medal, coming second by 1 point to Deven Robertson. The big discussion was, would a team be brave enough to select an undersized ruck so high.

 

[briztoon]

Maybe project is a stretch but it definitely wasn't a safe pick.

I agree with that.

I did exclaim, “crazy balls” at that pick back in 2017.