Analysis 2021 trade thread

[davemc_lions]

Don’t believe he would be keen on QLD.

just wondering one of those I had in supercoach so you take more notice off

 

[bungalow_bill]

Do you see any potential change to the ruck division?

Depends who we trade in. Big O and Darcy Fort combo would be good for a few more years at least.

 

[mattsmob]

I know this is saying a lot in this forum and it is not recent but I see a young Voss in the way he moves and plays. If we were going recent I would say Rowell.

That's an interesting comp, you've seen more of him than I have but in his highlight plays he looks a lot more damaging than Rowell, maybe not as contested and strong but more explosive, agile and classy.

 

[bungalow_bill]

So we have a young Black in McCluggage and soon a young Voss in Ashcroft. Is Bailey our young Akermanis?

 

[Davemonkey]

So we have a young Black in McCluggage and soon a young Voss in Ashcroft. Is Bailey our young Akermanis?

Personally, I can't wait until we see some real young Akermanises playing for our AFLW team.

 

[scoman]

More of a sari.

Soright

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

West Coast need young mids. They probably need young players on every line.

Not much room in our reserves for a young small forward with the likes of Ah Chee and Blake Coleman struggling to crack our best 22.

Though a fully fit, pre injury Jarrod Cameron is an upgrade on Blake Coleman.

I wouldn't regard Ah Chee as a small forward, more of a utility now days, but even so, from an admittedly small sample, a fit Jarrod Cameron would be a reasonable upgrade on him as a forward. Concerns are clearly injury (mostly fixable) and attitude (more problematic).

 

[mpal6]

Plan for Ashcroft/Jaspa/McMillan, may get Fort, may be pickup JCameron, don't have enough list spots.. this looks pretty busy already.

 

[Dalions]

Plan for Ashcroft/Jaspa/McMillan, may get Fort, may be pickup JCameron, don't have enough list spots.. this looks pretty busy already.

The highlighted players are for next years draft.

 

[Zacs_Magic_Tooth]

So we have a young Black in McCluggage and soon a young Voss in Ashcroft. Is Bailey our young Akermanis?

Who’s our young Ashcroft?

 

[Dalions]

Who’s our young Ashcroft?

Maybe the other Ashcroft?

 

[scoman]

Who’s our young Ashcroft?

There's another one coming isn't there? Maybe 2024? Perhaps he is more like his dad?
Ashcroft Voss, Clugga Black, Fletcher Lapin, Bailey Aker, Ashcroft Ashcroft and Dev Hart

 

[Zacs_Magic_Tooth]

There's another one coming isn't there? Maybe 2024? Perhaps he is more like his dad?
Ashcroft Voss, Clugga Black, Fletcher Lapin, Bailey Aker, Ashcroft Ashcroft and Dev Hart

Getting giddy

 

[mpal6]

The highlighted players are for next years draft.

Yep and looks like we may need to trade in picks going by the current rating.

 

[Section 5]

It would likely involve trading 14 and 18 for 9, but I'd want another early second rounder as well

I like something like that.
Have no idea what the club has in mind in trades and draft picks though
Points wise you get something around 28 back
With 9 ending around the 12/13 mark after f/s

It's not rocket science that you usually get a great/very good pick in the top 10
However I would rather get one good player in the top 20 lower the better. That would entail holding onto pick 14 minimum i think
The Lions best recent picks (2015-2020) have come from pick 18 and under
Below our picks under 18
2015: (Schache pick 2 -games 65(27 Bris)) (Hipwood pick 14 -games 110)
2016: (McCluggage pick 3 -games 106) (J Berry pick 17 -games 85)
2017: (Rayner pick 1 -games 63) (Z Bailey pick 15 -games 70) (Starcevich pick 18 -games 47)
2018: Nil
2019: Nil
2020: Nil

Below our picks 19 and over. The bolded i think were good picks. Jury still out on others. Keays showed much more after leaving the Lions
So that's 4 out of 32 picks with jury still out on a few

2015: (Keays pick 24 -games 68(30 Bris)) (Mathieson pick 39 -games 62) (Skinner pick 47 -games 3) (R William Rookie pick 20 - games 3)

2016: (Witherden pick 23 -games 68(59 Bris))(C Cox pick 24 -games 13)(Allison pick 55 -games 10)(C Lyons pick 71 -games 0)(Eagles TV Show -Games 6)
2016: (Barrett Rookie pick 2 -games 22) (Hinge R pick 20 -games 4) (Oscar McInerney Rookie pick 37 -games 79)

2017: (Wooller pick 41 -games 0) (Ballenden pick 43 -games 3) ( J Payne pick 54 -games 15)

2018: (Eli Smith pick 21 - games 0) (T Berry pick 36 -games 17) (T Joyce pick 40 -games 0)(McFadyen pick 42 -games 0) (Answerth pick 55 -games 28)
2018: (Fullarton unregistered player selection -games 14) (J Madden international signing -games 9)

2019: ( D Robertson pick 22 -games 17) (B Smith pick 33 -games 0) (K Coleman pick 37 -games 23) (J Prior pick 59 -games 18)

2020: ( B Coleman pick 24 -games 0)(H Sharp pick 48 -games 2) (H Smith pick 48 -games 0)
2020: (Uosis international signing 2020 -games 0) (C Michael Zone selection - games 0) (Lane midseason draft -games 0)

I may have missed someone hopefully not.

 

[bungalow_bill]

There's another one coming isn't there? Maybe 2024? Perhaps he is more like his dad?

If anyone says he will be better than his brother

 

[Dalions]

If anyone says he will be better than his brother

Apparently Blake is better than Keidean.

 

[lionsrules]

I like something like that.
Have no idea what the club has in mind in trades and draft picks though
Points wise you get something around 28 back
With 9 ending around the 12/13 mark after f/s

It's not rocket science that you usually get a great/very good pick in the top 10
However I would rather get one good player in the top 20 lower the better. That would entail holding onto pick 14 minimum i think
The Lions best recent picks (2015-2020) have come from pick 18 and under
Below our picks under 18
2015: (Schache pick 2 -games 65(27 Bris)) (Hipwood pick 14 -games 110)
2016: (McCluggage pick 3 -games 106) (J Berry pick 17 -games 85)
2017: (Rayner pick 1 -games 63) (Z Bailey pick 15 -games 70) (Starcevich pick 18 -games 47)
2018: Nil
2019: Nil
2020: Nil

Below our picks 19 and over. The bolded i think were good picks. Jury still out on others. Keays showed much more after leaving the Lions
So that's 4 out of 32 picks with jury still out on a few

2015: (Keays pick 24 -games 68(30 Bris)) (Mathieson pick 39 -games 62) (Skinner pick 47 -games 3) (R William Rookie pick 20 - games 3)

2016: (Witherden pick 23 -games 68(59 Bris))(C Cox pick 24 -games 13)(Allison pick 55 -games 10)(C Lyons pick 71 -games 0)(Eagles TV Show -Games 6)
2016: (Barrett Rookie pick 2 -games 22) (Hinge R pick 20 -games 4) (Oscar McInerney Rookie pick 37 -games 79)

2017: (Wooller pick 41 -games 0) (Ballenden pick 43 -games 3) ( J Payne pick 54 -games 15)

2018: (Eli Smith pick 21 - games 0) (T Berry pick 36 -games 17) (T Joyce pick 40 -games 0)(McFadyen pick 42 -games 0) (Answerth pick 55 -games 28)
2018: (Fullarton unregistered player selection -games 14) (J Madden international signing -games 9)

2019: ( D Robertson pick 22 -games 17) (B Smith pick 33 -games 0) (K Coleman pick 37 -games 23) (J Prior pick 59 -games 18)

2020: ( B Coleman pick 24 -games 0)(H Sharp pick 48 -games 2) (H Smith pick 48 -games 0)
2020: (Uosis international signing 2020 -games 0) (C Michael Zone selection - games 0) (Lane midseason draft -games 0)

I may have missed someone hopefully not.

Thats a cool post! thank you. I'd have bolded D Robertson, J Payne, Answerth in addition to what you have.

 

[brutus76]

#12 Will Ashcroft (Sandringham Dragons)
6/05/2004 | 183cm | Midfielder

The Brisbane Lions father-son prospect plying his trade at Sandringham Dragons showed why he is considered one of the best prospects for the 2022 draft with a dominant display in the midfield. Ashcroft showed a great mix of toughness, class and flashy play, with his toughness on show in the first quarter going back with the flight and getting back up quickly to go again. The second quarter is where he kicked his first of two goals with a lovely long range finish hard on the boundary which he would somehow outdo in the last quarter, bursting away to kick another long range goal. That same burst was a highlight in his clearance work too, which included classy clearances to go with some gritty bull-like wins. With 33 disposals, 11 clearances and two goals, it was by far the best performance not only for this game but for the whole Round 1 of the Under 17 championships.

 

[brutus76]

Best QLD kid at 17yo also

 

[Mighty Lions]

So we have a young Black in McCluggage and soon a young Voss in Ashcroft. Is Bailey our young Akermanis?

Clugg isnt a Black and never will be. You will never see another player like Akker also. He was one different to any other. In saying that, Bailey can be Bailey and go on to learn his craft & become a footballer who does his own things his own way...fingers crossed he does.

 

[BRAB]

Hugh Mccluggage

6

Hugh Mccluggage

Age

26

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.3

5star

K

11.4

4star

HB

7.9

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.2

4star

D

19.0

4star

K

12.0

5star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.0

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

CL

0.6

3star

is Hugh Mccluggage

6

Hugh Mccluggage

Age

26

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.3

5star

K

11.4

4star

HB

7.9

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.2

4star

D

19.0

4star

K

12.0

5star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.0

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

CL

0.6

3star

 

[Dalions]

Hugh Mccluggage is Hugh Mccluggage

To make that even better they need to show the kick after that.

 

[martinson]

Clugg isnt a Black and never will be. You will never see another player like Akker also. He was one different to any other. In saying that, Bailey can be Bailey and go on to learn his craft & become a footballer who does his own things his own way...fingers crossed he does.

Unfortunately true.

 

[martinson]

To make that even better they need to show the kick after that.

Highlight reels are fine.

The one thing that separates great players over good players is consistent high performance under all conditions over a long period.

I hope some of the guys on our current list get there. The only ones who have really done it yet are Neale and Zorlo. Andrews should get there. Clug likewise. Cameron a good chance.