Game Day 2022 AFL Draft - Round 2 to the end

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Review - Winners and losers 2022 draft

The annual all to early winners and losers 2022 edition.

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Review - Grade your team’s draft

For Collingwood, C+ Happy with Ed Allan who’d said would be a Pie for 10 years. Disappointed we missed out on the best available ruckman. Other two picks will need to take awhile

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Review - 2022 AFL Draft - Pre-season and Rookie drafts @ 3pm

Same spreadsheet as before, added a new tab for the rookie draft. :)

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[eth-dog]

It's literally 0 chance of ending up that. Suns likely to have 2 first round academy kids, Parish a free agent compo pick. Does the next Darcy command another first rounder? Does McCabe at hawthorn get into that range? I am sure there is a long list of potential kids that are tied to academy or F/S selections. First pick of second round is 22 tonight, last year it was 21 and year before 27.

maybe it could be 18 for 27, 21 and 41.

If Swans hadn't of been stalling and bidding on players whilst negotiating it would have been 16 as well.

16 for 21(best case for swans) and 27 + whatever the future 3rd is. Feels like the Hawks have paid a small premium but fair few over reactions as well

Hawks fans are good at being in denial I guess. You paid a heavy price for him, that's just a fact.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

You really need to think this through, as to what you’re actually suggesting, how many clubs would have been required for such backup plans, where it would have left GWS at this draft, and the long term impacts on their list.

And (and it’s a ducking big and) what it likely would have meant for the kids GWS might have eventually drafted.

The fact that you keep trotting out the “have back up plans” line, actually demonstrates how clueless you are, for what you’re suggesting.

Each to their own, still feel other clubs would have had plans in case. It seems GWS were clueless. It was hilarious though and I loved Kinear and Darymple trolling GWS hard. I mean their whole trade period was questionable. Give us one reason they needed to trade up from 3 to 1 burning a mid first rounder? Not as if North were picking a Key tall over the two players they picked.

 

[SSSSSS]

I tend to refer back to Kinear Beatson before this draft. Basically said there were 7 top end talents, then it evens out for 20 odd. Actually feel although it's on the high price to pay scale, both clubs win. One thing I'll say is the Hawks tend to draft really well in this range and if they see someone you back their system. I was surprised there needed to be a F3rd attached though.

That F3rd will end up being used on McCabe next year anyway. I don't think it was necessary either but not going to lose any sleep over it.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

That F3rd will end up being used on McCabe next year anyway. I don't think it was necessary either but not going to lose any sleep over it.

Fair not across your FS/academy boys really.

 

[JasRulz63]

Of course, it’s a great trade period for you. Just Lions supporters are trying to make out like you’ve used ‘22 draft hand & McStay only for your haul. It’s basically two draft hands wiped, which don’t get me wrong is still a very very good return and any club would take that.

But it wasn’t some master stroke of recruiting/trading, you got dealt pocket Aces and made the most of it. Congrats

I assume deficit has been mentioned in terms of having our remaining picks moved back, as opposed to not using our future picks at all. Also no denying we're working from a very good position (similar to WB with JUH and Treloar back in 2020).

The way I turned out, we essentially traded just our FR1 for Dunkley, swapped Gunston for McStay, and turned our '22 draft hand into picks 2 and 12.

 

[SSSSSS]

Fair not across your FS/academy boys really.

Hope neither is Kinnear!

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Hope neither is Kinnear!

Hahahaha he was the King last night for sure

Has to be the first time that every single club liked Sydney (aside from GWS and their fans), this has to be a first!

 

[cakewalk06]

Hahahaha he was the King last night for sure

Has to be the first time that every single club liked Sydney (aside from GWS and their fans), this has to be a first!

Yeah it was the first interesting thing to happen in the draft. I'm surprised the GWS guys matched the bid. I wonder if the Swans would have been happy with Rowston at that pic? No complaints from a Pies perspective as I suspect we might not have got Ed Allan but for the Swans stitching up GWS.

 

[bird_man]

I'd have at least traded 2 before the draft into the future, then had trade options already basically agreed to in order to get back in this year (crows have done this basically, watch them get back in using north's future 2 or whatever they have). Both our bids were fair they were genuine to a degree, especially the second one- he would have been a Rampe replacement. I was shocked we didn't bid on Davey but very happy we took Konstanty, we needed a small forward badly.

Not sure how that would have been beneficial to them at all?

They would still have to use pick 20 to take him and miss out on taking 2 more kids this year in the top 20 (outside father sons and academy picks)

As frustrating as it would be for them that he was bidded on early they were much better just taking him at 15 and then taking the best remaining kids with 19 and 20.

 

[Keystone agony]

Each to their own, still feel other clubs would have had plans in case. It seems GWS were clueless. It was hilarious though and I loved Kinear and Darymple trolling GWS hard. I mean their whole trade period was questionable. Give us one reason they needed to trade up from 3 to 1 burning a mid first rounder? Not as if North were picking a Key tall over the two players they picked.

If you think a bid could come at 15 you dont take 16, 18 and 19 (whatever it exaclty was) into a draft

They had basically no options and they were also on the phone trying. It just wasnt viable, they were better off either taking him or passing

Really all they couldve done was maybe

Melbournes F1, Hawks F2 and Hawks 27 for picks 16, 18 and 19

Then they have Rouston, Cadman and Pick 31 (and need to take 4-5 players in the draft)

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Yeah it was the first interesting thing to happen in the draft. I'm surprised the GWS guys matched the bid. I wonder if the Swans would have been happy with Rowston at that pic? No complaints from a Pies perspective as I suspect we might not have got Ed Allan but for the Swans stitching up GWS.

Think we would have been, zero go home risk too. Was a free hit pick to be honest and GWS were always matching. We got exactly what we wanted- picks next year, took one guy this year in a draft we hated aside from those top 7. Allen looks a talent, good Sidebottom replacement eventually.

 

[cakewalk06]

Think we would have been, zero go home risk too. Was a free hit pick to be honest and GWS were always matching. We got exactly what we wanted- picks next year, took one guy this year in a draft we hated aside from those top 7. Allen looks a talent, good Sidebottom replacement eventually.

yeah it's a funny thing when a team is almost 100pc committed to matching a bid. We ran the gauntlet of it last year with Reef McInnes when we had a couple of late first-round picks and needed him to go after that.

I reckon at some stage a club will have to draw a line in the sand and not match and then that will make clubs subsquently think twice about playing any games and putting in bids on players they are not 100pc certain they want.

Unsure on Allan (unexposed really) but I don't mind a swing for the fences occasionally.

 

[Taylor]

Unsure on Allan (unexposed really) but I don't mind a swing for the fences occasionally.

You're going to be astounded that someone so big can move that much around the field. A truly unique.

 

[citizen-erased]

Not sure how that would have been beneficial to them at all?

They would still have to use pick 20 to take him and miss out on taking 2 more kids this year in the top 20 (outside father sons and academy picks)

As frustrating as it would be for them that he was bidded on early they were much better just taking him at 15 and then taking the best remaining kids with 19 and 20.

If you think a bid could come at 15 you dont take 16, 18 and 19 (whatever it exaclty was) into a draft

They had basically no options and they were also on the phone trying. It just wasnt viable, they were better off either taking him or passing

correct.
they were effectively snookered and did the best they could. still sucks for them.
doesn't help they gave up an F2 to move that pick up to where they thought it would be safe. Still got a couple of picks on the board + their player I guess.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

yeah it's a funny thing when a team is almost 100pc committed to matching a bid. We ran the gauntlet of it last year with Reef McInnes when we had a couple of late first-round picks and needed him to go after that.

I reckon at some stage a club will have to draw a line in the sand and not match and then that will make clubs subsquently think twice about playing any games and putting in bids on players they are not 100pc certain they want.

Unsure on Allan (unexposed really) but I don't mind a swing for the fences occasionally.

Worth a punt at that range, you have most of the pieces. Thought you'd go Barnett or Allen. You have a few other options too.

 

[FrogDude]

It's literally 0 chance of ending up that. Suns likely to have 2 first round academy kids, Parish a free agent compo pick. Does the next Darcy command another first rounder? Does McCabe at hawthorn get into that range? I am sure there is a long list of potential kids that are tied to academy or F/S selections. First pick of second round is 22 tonight, last year it was 21 and year before 27.

maybe it could be 18 for 27, 21 and 41.

If Swans hadn't of been stalling and bidding on players whilst negotiating it would have been 16 as well.

16 for 21(best case for swans) and 27 + whatever the future 3rd is. Feels like the Hawks have paid a small premium but fair few over reactions as well

The number doesn't matter on the draft night. It is still potentially 19 in the open draft, regardless if there are bids or not.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Does tonight start at 5.45 or 7?

 

[Yellow Feathers]

Apparently Toby even got suspended for that too

He came in suspenders?

 

[Pistol Night]

He came in suspenders?

I think the correct term is "arrived early"

 

[doggies ftw]

yeah it's a funny thing when a team is almost 100pc committed to matching a bid. We ran the gauntlet of it last year with Reef McInnes when we had a couple of late first-round picks and needed him to go after that.

I reckon at some stage a club will have to draw a line in the sand and not match and then that will make clubs subsquently think twice about playing any games and putting in bids on players they are not 100pc certain they want.

Unsure on Allan (unexposed really) but I don't mind a swing for the fences occasionally.

Yeah look I’m sure it will happen one day, but for the most part these players are usually such a discount that bid position is almost irrelevant when teams are so well prepared.

For example Fletcher last night, I’d be interested to know at what point Brissy don’t match? Is it pick 11, 10, 5 etc. at what point is no deficit and a late pick more valuable than Fletcher even if they only rated him say 15 in an open draft (just using this as an example) I’d guess a bid would have to come inside 5 for them to even consider not matching.

GWS was an interesting one as they just weren’t prepared to match a bid there and it caught them off guard, whilst everyone else with academy players seem to have prepared themselves to make it almost certain they’ll match bids.

I think clubs just need to keep teams honest, Sydney did last night and I know we usually do - we bid on players every draft. I feel some clubs just think they don’t want the trouble and will leave it to the next, but they all need to keep each other honest now that the academy’s/FS’ seem to be becoming more of a big deal than ever before.

GWS for example, why would you not bid on Ashcroft? There is zero to lose there. The only thing I can think is maybe some good will with Brissy should they have their own high academy player in the next few drafts - yet as they found out there’s still 17 other teams to worry about and that goodwill will be forgotten very quickly.

Just keep clubs honest and the swings and roundabouts of the academies/FS’ should work out somewhat fairly for everyone (to an extent…)

 

[TheSunGod]

I heard there were 2 Petraccas drafted, 1 Dusty and 1 Bont all in the top 10.


This will be a draft to put 2001 to shame!

Pretty sure there’s a Nat Fyfe too.

 

[citizen-erased]

Yeah look I’m sure it will happen one day, but for the most part these players are usually such a discount that bid position is almost irrelevant when teams are so well prepared.

For example Fletcher last night, I’d be interested to know at what point Brissy don’t match? Is it pick 11, 10, 5 etc. at what point is no deficit and a late pick more valuable than Fletcher even if they only rated him say 15 in an open draft (just using this as an example) I’d guess a bid would have to come inside 5 for them to even consider not matching.

GWS was an interesting one as they just weren’t prepared to match a bid there and it caught them off guard, whilst everyone else with academy players seem to have prepared themselves to make it almost certain they’ll match bids.

I think clubs just need to keep teams honest, Sydney did last night and I know we usually do - we bid on players every draft. I feel some clubs just think they don’t want the trouble and will leave it to the next, but they all need to keep each other honest now that the academy’s/FS’ seem to be becoming more of a big deal than ever before.

GWS for example, why would you not bid on Ashcroft? There is zero to lose there. The only thing I can think is maybe some good will with Brissy should they have their own high academy player in the next few drafts - yet as they found out there’s still 17 other teams to worry about and that goodwill will be forgotten very quickly.

Just keep clubs honest and the swings and roundabouts of the academies/FS’ should work out somewhat fairly for everyone (to an extent…)

you have to also be prepared to take the kid.

Fletcher and Rowston were worth that risk. Not sure Davey has shown enough to be worth it (yet....we're hitting his range now)

With Rowston, it was a rock and a hard place for GWS
preempt it and you end up trading out picks 15, 18 and 19 pre-draft. And from all reports, clubs were trying to get into next year, not out. So they'd have been taking unders
Don't, and you end up losing one of them or the player.

timing and the bid were just bad luck for them really. they clearly rated him a mid teens pick and used it for him. they've been known to let picks slide in th past, but not this early I guess.

 

[TheSunGod]

Apparently Toby even got suspended for that too

Something about unnatural use of his boots. Christian was offended.

 

[Pistol Night]

Something about unnatural use of his boots. Christian was offended.

Apprently "studs up"

 

[Danger Zone]

Feel like there is a number of clubs - Sydney, Adelaide, Bulldogs, a couple others - who are willing to bid where they rate a player even if it seems early. Most clubs very risk averse with Academy and Father-Sons.