Preview 2022 draft prospects

[Eric Shin]

I hope we choose Lemmey. Reading about him, he's got a good head and maybe not having the success he was hoping for this year will be a good thing for him. He has a goal to play 250 games, he wants to reach that goal and he's prepared to do the work ... we can't ask for too much more from a prospect. If he was in the Pick 1 conversation in March and now is outside the top 20, that shows a fair slide. But it also shows that he had enough potential and had demonstrated something. I think sometimes we read too much into good NAB League or representative games without looking enough at the history of a player. He's worth the risk if Pick 27 slides to Pick 30ish. That's where McMahon was taken and Lemmey has shown a lot more than McMahon.

Yeah I wasn’t very sold on him as I was earlier this year. But after reading the article on your comment I’m feeling a bit more bullish on him. If we can get him with pick 51 that’ll be a steal imo.


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[KJpie]

What are the chances of Lemmy being available at our pick 51 (without factoring in bids)?

No idea, he could go as early as manicpie has suggested or he could end up going late or even being overlooked all together and rookied with list spots so tight and selections this year expected to be in the 50's.
It may be of note that the ESPN Phantom draft does not have him in their top 55 picks as of the 21st of Oct

 

[KJpie]

I wouldn't be surprised if we took him with our pick 27. He has huge upside, Richmond are all over him and might even try to trade down to get him, just saying

If Lemmey is to go around pick 27 as suggested, Richmond have nothing to trade up with as they have traded out all high end picks in 2022/ 23 and only currently have picks 53 & 63 in 2022

 

[manicpie]

If Lemmey is to go around pick 27, Richmond have SFA to trade up with as they have traded out all high end picks in 2022/ 23 and only currently have picks 53 & 63 in 2022

They won't get him with those picks. I was thinking of them maybe trying to get a pick in 40's some how but if they know we or another side are going to take him much earlier they might just turn their attention to Scully, who they've been linked with also

 

[Harry O]

I like those two. Hustwaite to seems to have something about him, but for some weird reason he feels like the tipping point in the draft. Basically all his traits scream line ball AFL footballer. Good frame for a mid (will he add size?), composed in traffic (will he find space at the next level?), he finds the ball (does he handball too much?), good user (does he do enough damage per possession?) etc.

The way I’m looking at him is to ask two questions.

1. Is he a 12cp a game player at the top level?
2. Does he presents any better than Draper?

For me it’s a no to both and I didn’t particularly rate Draper’s year.

Two traits I’m focusing on for us are pace and strength over the ball because they feed best with our transition game. I think Jones, George, Szybowski and Hewett tick those boxes best one way or another. On Drury I think he presents as a footballer like Ginnivan and Cowan feels under the radar because we’re stacked for ground level defenders.

Not sure we are stacked for ground level defenders. Especially as Naicos moves to midfield. I think we are very shallow for depth in that area. As anyone who watched us in VFL would agree

 

[KJpie]

They won't get him with those picks. I was thinking of them maybe trying to get a pick in 40's some how but if they know we or another side are going to take him much earlier they might just turn their attention to Scully, who they've been linked with also

I don't go into the points system normally so I don't know if 53 & 63 gets them a pick from someone in the late 40's or if it's worth it at all/ workable from trade perspective for an oppo club.
I think some teams will be passing around here & the Tigers can get one of Lemmey or Scully with pick 53

 

[Scodog10]

Do you think we take a DFA & if not who would you be choosing or type you would target with pick 51?
Any project rucks you are prepared to chose here?

Others opinions would appreciated Thx?

I can’t answer the bolded to anywhere near the detail someone like P4L can, but what I can probably offer is a list management take.

I’d look to move those picks in the 20’s to get up the draft and into 2023 via a future 2nd. Making shit up here, but let’s say it’s 25 and 51 for 22 and 80 then 27 for a random future 2nd.

We then have 16, 22, 80 and 92. The first two best available, the 3rd and 4th toward the best available state league option and I like Toby Murray as a ruck option. I feel like two top 30 picks in each of the 22 and 23 drafts is better value than 3 and 1 weighted towards this draft. Plus I’m not keen on going with a state league option in the top 30.

 

[Scodog10]

Not sure we are stacked for ground level defenders. Especially as Naicos moves to midfield. I think we are very shallow for depth in that area. As anyone who watched us in VFL would agree

I wouldn’t move him up the field until his 4th or 5th year. At this stage he’d be an ok mid because of how he plays, but he’s a gun HB.

IMO, Maynard, Noble, Naicos, Crisp, Pendles and IQ is league best in terms of ground level options off HB and I personally have zero interest in recruiting for VFL depth. We’d be better served shifting HH and Reef back, IMO. This is of course looking at it purely from the list management angle and why Cowan is under the radar. I don’t mind him as an option.

 

[well left]

Two traits I’m focusing on for us are pace and strength over the ball because they feed best with our transition game. I think Jones, George, Szybowski and Hewett tick those boxes best one way or another. On Drury I think he presents as a footballer like Ginnivan and Cowan feels under the radar because we’re stacked for ground level defenders.

Do you think we’re really that stacked for ground level defenders? We will have Nick Daicos start to transition up the field and our main back up this year was Ruscoe, who I’m not convinced will make it.

I wouldn’t be against a half back being taken. With Reef, Macrae, Draper, Carmichael, Harrison and Murley as mids developing I’d only be looking to take a pure mid if one of the more highly rated slid to our first pick.


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[Scodog10]

Do you think we’re really that stacked for ground level defenders? We will have Nick Daicos start to transition up the field and our main back up this year was Ruscoe, who I’m not convinced will make it.

I wouldn’t be against a half back being taken. With Reef, Macrae, Draper, Carmichael, Harrison and Murley as mids developing I’d only be looking to take a pure mid if one of the more highly rated slid to our first pick.


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As above I don’t see Naicos moving up field in the short term with the addition of Mitchell our midfield is in a nice position and at this stage Naicos offers more off HB. I’d actually forgotten Ruscoe who’s a handy option to have in reserve.

Perhaps I was wrong to assume Cowan was under the radar because people thought we were stacked for general defenders. Maybe it’s more about him just being underrated.

 

[KJpie]

I’d look to move those picks in the 20’s to get up the draft and into 2023 via a future 2nd. Making s**t up here, but let’s say it’s 25 and 51 for 22 and 80 then 27 for a random future 2nd.
We then have 16, 22, 80 and 92.

Yeh discussed a similar deal involving picks 25 + 51 (xtra 120 points) for the Bombers 22, then trade 27 for someones possible future 2nd.
Just got to find someone desperate/ cocky enough to trade their future 2nd
Would be good if the Bombers would be open to our picks 25 + 27 + 51 for their picks 22 + 72 & future 2nd albeit a little in our favour

Edit: For a bit of fun; Bombers use our on traded Picks 25, 51 & (68 theirs) = 1069 points to match bid on pick 16 for Davey Jnr = 1067 points

 

[Rusty Beam]

I can’t answer the bolded to anywhere near the detail someone like P4L can, but what I can probably offer is a list management take.

I’d look to move those picks in the 20’s to get up the draft and into 2023 via a future 2nd. Making s**t up here, but let’s say it’s 25 and 51 for 22 and 80 then 27 for a random future 2nd.

We then have 16, 22, 80 and 92. The first two best available, the 3rd and 4th toward the best available state league option and I like Toby Murray as a ruck option. I feel like two top 30 picks in each of the 22 and 23 drafts is better value than 3 and 1 weighted towards this draft. Plus I’m not keen on going with a state league option in the top 30.

I’m really hopeful we use both our picks in the 20’s.

Personally I think post mid first round the talent is pretty even until the end of the second round.

Rather than rehash the same guys I like, the short list of guys I’m not particularly keen on (particularly early) are Hushwaite, Allan, Gruzewski, and to a slightly lesser extent Hotton.

 

[KJpie]

I’m really hopeful we use both our picks in the 20’s.

Personally I think post mid first round the talent is pretty even until the end of the second round.

Rather than rehash the same guys I like, the short list of guys I’m not particularly keen on (particularly early) are Hushwaite, Allan, Gruzewski, and to a slightly lesser extent Hotton.

Unaware of your thoughts, who do you like that you feel may be best available with our 4 picks?

 

[Jen2310]

We'll use 3 picks, and for the 4th we'll pass and invite someone over summer I imagine.

 

[well left]

As above I don’t see Naicos moving up field in the short term with the addition of Mitchell our midfield is in a nice position and at this stage Naicos offers more off HB. I’d actually forgotten Ruscoe who’s a handy option to have in reserve.

Perhaps I was wrong to assume Cowan was under the radar because people thought we were stacked for general defenders. Maybe it’s more about him just being underrated.

No I think you’re right that most people think we’re stacked for general defenders. I’m just not one of them.

I also think we’re pretty stacked for young mids that we’re not certain on yet with the list I provided. It’s why I wouldn’t want to spend a pick in the 20’s on one unless they have a point of difference.

I’d be happy with one at 16 if it’s a slider that’s well rated, otherwise I’d be keen on the smaller types being those that can play at half back or forward.


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[KJpie]

We'll use 3 picks, and for the 4th we'll pass and invite someone over summer I imagine.

Doesn't that make them an SSP and therefore a rookie when we have to fill 4 main list spots whilst Murley takes the last Rookie spot?
Edit: Ginni would have to be elevated.

 

[Jen2310]

Doesn't that make them an SSP and therefore a rookie when we have to fill 4 main list spots whilst Murley takes the last Rookie spot?

Not sure. I dont know whether it has to be a rookie spot or not.
But Wright did specifically mention if not from the draft they would like to get a ruck, possibly over the summer.

 

[RobJD]

Doesn't that make them an SSP and therefore a rookie when we have to fill 4 main list spots whilst Murley takes the last Rookie spot?

Can we promote someone like Ginni after the draft to fill the available primary list spot?

 

[KJpie]

Not sure. I dont know whether it has to be a rookie spot or not.
But Wright did specifically mention if not from the draft they would like to get a ruck, possibly over the summer.

AFL club eligibility for the SSP and MSRD​

A club is eligible to select a Rookie Player during the SSP or MSRD as follows:

• If a club has a rookie list spot available
• If a player suffers a year-ending injury or retires, the player can be placed on the Inactive List and be replaced by an SSP or Mid-Season Draft Rookie Player.

 

[KJpie]

Can we promote someone like Ginni after the draft to fill the available primary list spot?

Yes, but we haven't in recent times as a rule till their rookie contract is up e.g. Mihocek, Noble

 

[RobJD]

Then I think the ruck would then need to be a DFA selected by the 29th of Nov deadline to effectively become the 4th pick & 36th list addition

Ben McEvoy?

 

[sr36]

As above I don’t see Naicos moving up field in the short term with the addition of Mitchell our midfield is in a nice position and at this stage Naicos offers more off HB. I’d actually forgotten Ruscoe who’s a handy option to have in reserve.

Perhaps I was wrong to assume Cowan was under the radar because people thought we were stacked for general defenders. Maybe it’s more about him just being underrated.

We're really not stacked for anywhere. Particularly when you look at the 3 years into the future time frame, when you'd be hoping kids from our picks in the draft might begin to impact.

Just go for the most likely players, but with a weighting for pace and talls.

 

[Mick F]

I don't go into the points system normally so I don't know if 53 & 63 gets them a pick from someone in the 40's or if it's worth it/ workable from trade perspective for an oppo club.
I think some teams will be passing around here & the Tigers can get one of Lemmey or Scully with pick 53

53 and 63 - you would count yourself lucky to get pick 52.

 

[sr36]

53 and 63 - you would count yourself lucky to get pick 52.

In a trade, yes, but that pick 53 is likely to become a pick in the 40s without the need to do anything.

 

[KJpie]

Plus you'd wonder why they're doing the Murley delist/rookie trick rather than just leaving him as is and leaving the 4th vacancy as a rookie spot.

I reckon we're either using 4 picks or picking up a sneaky DFA and using 3. Sydney Stack gets my vote

Yeh, wonder if Wrights got something in play.
I'm unsure about stack & a number of Tiger mates weren't sad to see him go after a poor 2022 where he barely played even with an at times injury depleted lineup.
Fly will know him very well both on and off-field though & IIRC he may have coached him to a VFL flag???