List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and Trading Thread - Part 2

[Scorpus]

Updated list position



And 2024 as it stands

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[1990crow]

It's not much different to rookie list players - some seize their opportunity and make it, others don't, some are less fortunate and their opportunity turns out to be just an illusion.

They get 12 months at least though

 

[George CantStandYa]

Wow what an incredibly poor outcome that was from the MSD. Poor decisions right from the start.

jenny61_99 well strike me pink, another example of a poor decision by those in the BEST position to make these calls.

 

[Vader]

They get 12 months at least though

MSD players have the option of nominating for 6 or 18 month contracts.

 

[1990crow]

MSD players have the option of nominating for 6 or 18 month contracts.

Yes, and I'm saying after Turner's experience less will nominate for 6, and clubs won't want to take too many who ask for 18.

 

[dogs105]

Just put list sizes back to 52

 

[Vader]

Yes, and I'm saying after Turner's experience less will nominate for 6, and clubs won't want to take too many who ask for 18.

6 months worked out OK for Parnell.

 

[1990crow]

6 months worked out OK for Parnell.

Players will look at what happened and make a determination it's not in their interests to nominate.

 

[Crow till I die]

Players will look at what happened and make a determination it's not in their interests to nominate.

why? if its your dream to get on an AFL list and you are a mature age player, its a chance and maybe your only ever chance. If you get on, then its up to you to do everything possible to stay there and if it only lasts 6 months, its 6 months more than many many people will ever have.

 

[StonesThrow]

I don't care that we were brutal. I care that we wasted a spot on a guy and there seemed to be some massive disconnect in the club between recruitment and the coaches. The whole situation makes no sense.

 

[jenny61_99]

jenny61_99 well strike me pink, another example of a poor decision by those in the BEST position to make these calls.

Like, you never make mistakes? FMD.

 

[jenny61_99]

MSD players have the option of nominating for 6 or 18 month contracts.

And he chose 6 months yeah?

 

[Vader]

And he chose 6 months yeah?

Yes. He was out of contract at the end of 2021, and was re-signed. Turner had a 6 month contract, and didn't get re-signed. It's tough, but that's the AFL business as a whole.

 

[jenny61_99]

Yes. He was out of contract at the end of 2021, and was re-signed. Turner had a 6 month contract, and didn't get re-signed. It's tough, but that's the AFL business as a whole.

Yep. I agree we should have taken Carmichael, but maybe he wanted 12 months? Or more? Also thought that maybe we were trying to weaken Glenelg, which is a shitty thing to do, but clever (Within the rules as they currently stand).

 

[Mostyn]

Yep. I agree we should have taken Carmichael, but maybe he wanted 12 months? Or more? Also thought that maybe we were trying to weaken Glenelg, which is a shitty thing to do, but clever (Within the rules as they currently stand).

Carmichael wanted 18 months.

 

[bomo]

In an earlier post I mentioned that one of the highlights of the draft period for me is watching Ogilvie and Reid do the live post draft interviews and wrap ups. These have been largely conspicuous by their absence this year. I suspect the controversy and sensitivity surrounding Turner not being redrafted may account for this.

Has there been any videos (from any club) with a behind the scenes look during the draft? They are great.

 

[GreyCrow]

Just put list sizes back to 52

 

[George CantStandYa]

Like, you never make mistakes? FMD.

No thanks.

Is that it? Have I ever made mistakes? It was dumb Jenny, these paid professionals who you keep your faith in couldn’t see how stupid it was drafting an injured player on a 6 month deal, some of us did, others who can’t think for themselves just supported the decision.

 

[StonesThrow]

No thanks.

Is that it? Have I ever made mistakes? It was dumb Jenny, these paid professionals who you keep your faith in couldn’t see how stupid it was drafting an injured player on a 6 month deal, some of us did, others who can’t think for themselves just supported the decision.

The fact that he was 25 was a big element. Where was the foresight? If he was 21 you could argue that they saw some long term growth in him and then maybe an 18 year old in the draft came up that they thought projected better.

It wasn't a short (given he was injured) nor long term option and that's what's baffling.

 

[martyparty]

We ballsed up by taking him, no doubt about it. But the narrative Turner is a victim is grossly overstated.

Yes… while Turner advises everyone else not to do it, he then says he would do it all again. We still should have given him a game (even as the dreaded sub).

 

[Big Dub]

Yes… while Turner advises everyone else not to do it, he then says he would do it all again. We still should have given him a game (even as the dreaded sub).

It's a tough one. Turner probably only started playing well enough to be considered for a game in the SANFL finals. By that time the AFL team had finished for the year.

But we gave ROC 3 games to see if he had it before delisting him, when he possibly hadn't earned it. We could have given Turner a run for the showdown in round 23 instead of Rowe, who we knew was gone.

May not have changed the outcome, but everyone would have known where he was and whether he could add value at the top level.

Still think Bond being drafted was what cost Turner, so maybe we didn't think round 23 was his last chance.

 

[jenny61_99]

Carmichael wanted 18 months.

And there you have it.

 

[FR0GGY]

6 months worked out OK for Parnell.

Yeah but he wasn’t injured.

 

[martyparty]

It's a tough one. Turner probably only started playing well enough to be considered for a game in the SANFL finals. By that time the AFL team had finished for the year.

But we gave ROC 3 games to see if he had it before delisting him, when he possibly hadn't earned it. We could have given Turner a run for the showdown in round 23 instead of Rowe, who we knew was gone.

May not have changed the outcome, but everyone would have known where he was and whether he could add value at the top level.

Still think Bond being drafted was what cost Turner, so maybe we didn't think round 23 was his last chance.

All true.. and the club was giving Davis games, knowing it would be his last season. Just maybe, we haven’t seen the last of Turner. Is there any limit to the number of players a team can put on the LTI list? Because the Crows have potentially several LTI.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

All true.. and the club were giving Davis games, knowing it would be his last season. Just maybe, we haven’t seen the last of Turner. Is there any limit to the number of players a team can put on the LTI list?

Unfortunately we have seen the last of Turner .....he was the short-term Crouch replacement ......now not required, and with Hugh Bond being a younger & similar player

Pity, as Turner deserved an opportunity ....and Crouch didn't

 

[CROW in BALI]

Think I read somewhere that Turner was told his future with us was dependent on his form in the finals. If that is true we have moved the posts and let him down which I am not comfortable with. Should we have drafted him in the first place is another issue.