List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and Trading Thread - Part 2

[Scorpus]

Updated list position



And 2024 as it stands

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[BRL121]

What’s the ideal number of mids on a List?

A few years ago, watching Melbourne (and Bulldogs as well) it seemed as though many of the team were midfielders, with many running on the ball at any given time.

The answer to your question depends on the type of midfielder. If they can only play one position, e.g., Crouch, then the number is small; if they are versatile, then the number can be large. It's a huge advantage if they can play wing, HF, HB, etc., as well as midfield, and I think we're heading that way. Running many through the midfield seems best to me, rather than the same monocultural process we've been using previously.

 

[martyparty]

He looks a lot lot trimmer he might surprise you

Rebel Wilson is trimmer (and has found a suitor) and has more chance of a late second round.

 

[Danger in Texas]

I am just thinking that next year Crouch will be a restricted free agent. Some clubs might be interested in an experienced inside midfielder to help develop their young onballers and they would not have to part with any draft picks with the Crows receiving a compensation pick. With the right club Crouch could get a 4 year deal on about $500k - $600k which would put him in the realm of a 2nd or 3rd round compensation pick. The issue with the Crows is they already have Laird, Keays, Berry, Schoenberg, Sloane and Pedlar capable of playing a similar role and they can't all play in the same team.

The other restricted free agent for next year, from a Crows perspective, is Tom Doedee. Whilst I am obviously hoping Doedee does stay at the Crows there is the potential Geelong could try to lure Doedee back home with a deal that would potentially trigger a first round compensation pick for him. I have no inside information and this scenario may never eventuate, but I am just stating that Doedee is a Restricted Free Agent next year, he comes from Geelong and Geelong Football Club has a well documented history of attracting local products like Doedee back to the Cattery.

Given the projected strength of next years draft I am seriously hoping the Crows can have 5-6 picks inside the top 30 with a couple of those picks inside the top 10. With the Crows natural first round selection, a compensation pick for Doedee if he explores free agency, trading the 2024 first rounder for the 2023 first round, North Melbourne's 2023 second round pick, Gold Coast's 2023 second round pick and potentially picking up another second round pick either as compensation for Crouch, trading other players or draft picks. Given the amount of players coming out of contract next year the 2023 trade and draft period could be very interesting for the Crows.

Why would the Cats go for Doedee bar the hometown factor? Their tall defensive setup is pretty much set with Henry/SDK/Kolo/Stewart (he's an upgrade on Kolo obviously, but would the Cats feel the need to invest there? I doubt it)

 

[martyparty]

What’s the ideal number of mids on a List?

18 Mids.
It’s all part of a surge play Nicksy is developing. No rucks, forwards or defenders, just 18 mids swarming the field. Revolutionary.

 

[martyparty]

A Gift Pack ??

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Murphy’s job in the merch shop?

 

[Mostyn]

I've heard this about not having room to pay someone out, but where does this come from? I'd have thought we would be closer to the 90% and saving the additional cap to allow us to go over in the coming couple of years.

Are you saying we are already at 100%? I know we've front ended contracts, but the amount of cap we have removed over the last 3 or so years, we'd have to be closer to 90% than 100%?

We HAVE to be at 95%. Everyone does - that's in the players agreement.

Now - are we just at 95%? Or did we front load some contracts, to make salary cap room for signings at a later date?

In any event, even if we were only at 95%, is that enough room to pay out two contracts?

Basic math says it's incredibly unlikely.

 

[Mostyn]

You mean the club that recently finished with the wooden spoon and are a bottom team, that club?

They're still the ones that choose the players.

If you're discussing what might actually happen, that's still a reasonably important consideration.

 

[BigFella!]

15? Where did you pluck that number from?

We didn’t waste picks 4 and 5 on small forwards, if we did Hamish and Reid should be sacked.

So across 2 teams, how many rucks?

3 rucks - 1 for AFL, 1 readymade back up and another developing given it takes a good 4 years before they're ready for the AFL.
5 key forwards with at least 2 of these able to do at least 50% game time in the ruck. - 3 AFL ready and another 2 readymade and/or developing
5 key backs - 3 AFL ready and another 2 readymade and/or developing
3 general forwards - 2 AFL ready and another 1 readymade and/or developing
3 general backs - 2 AFL ready and another 1 readymade and/or developing
6 mid/forwards - 3 AFL ready and another 3 readymade and/or developing - Potential for 1 more if team utilising Cat B rookies.
6 mid/defenders - 3 AFL ready and another 3 readymade and/or developing - Potential for 1 more if team utilising Cat B rookies.
11 mids - 6 AFL ready and another 5 readymade and/or developing.

This structure offers flexibility to cover injury with 9 players capable of rotating through the forward line, 8 players capable to rotating through defence, 3 players capable of rotating through the ruck and 12 players capable of rotating through the midfield in any given match. Across the entire squad there are 5 rucks, 14-15 forwards, 14-15 defenders and 23-25 midfielders from 44 players including Cat B rookies.

 

[BigFella!]

Why would the Cats go for Doedee bar the hometown factor? Their tall defensive setup is pretty much set with Henry/SDK/Kolo/Stewart (he's an upgrade on Kolo obviously, but would the Cats feel the need to invest there? I doubt it)

Replacement for Zach Tuohy who turns 34 next year and will be out of contract. Doedee would also be able to provide cover for Kolo and Stewart. The other thing to consider is that Doedee plays tall but is only 187cm so he can't keep going up against forwards like the King brothers, Naughton and Hawkins indefinitely.

 

[crow2crow]

In the way of young potential mids and forwards/rotating mids we now have;

berry
shoey
soligo
pedlar
taylor
rankine
rachele
hately
Nankervis
cook
and now
bond and Dowling..

if atleast 6 or so of these lads can’t push an absolute hack like Ben Keays out of the side by the end of next season.. then we need to remove haggis, Reid and a few others and blow up the entire list and start again.

If our midfield next season has the names Sloane, crouch and Keays in it for most or all of the year.. we’re completely fxxked.. heading for Carlton levels of embarrassing.

Berry finished the year off very strongly.. shoey had a poor season but let’s hope it’s an outlier and he can swing that around.. but Keays?
Keays is just a garbage footballer… yes you’re one of an ever shrinking few in here that can’t get their head around this basic fact.

nothing backs up your view of keays.

 

[Sanders]

The club seemed pretty sure about Soligo, given the speed with which they signed him to an extended contract.

Speed? It was towards the end of the preseason

It wasn’t that quick, they’d already seen plenty

 

[Sanders]

Turner shouldn't have been drafted, McPherson shouldn't have received his last contract, and a ruthless club would not be redrafting any of Turner, McPherson, or Seedsman.

There is also a difference between ruthless and heartless

You never want to be a heartless club

 

[Sanders]

He got a chance that some never get. Lucky to be drafted but when he was for a variety of reasons he just didn't do enough.

Pfffft he never got a chance and we wasted his time.

I don’t know why we drafted an injured player midseason if we weren’t prepared to give him a look in

 

[Vader]

I am just thinking that next year Crouch will be a restricted free agent. Some clubs might be interested in an experienced inside midfielder to help develop their young onballers and they would not have to part with any draft picks with the Crows receiving a compensation pick. With the right club Crouch could get a 4 year deal on about $500k - $600k which would put him in the realm of a 2nd or 3rd round compensation pick. The issue with the Crows is they already have Laird, Keays, Berry, Schoenberg, Sloane and Pedlar capable of playing a similar role and they can't all play in the same team.

Crouch will be an Unrestricted Free Agent, having already been a RFA at the end of 2021.

Nobody was interested in him as a RFA in 2021, resulting in the AFC signing him to a discounted contract. To be fair, he had just missed a whole season due to injury, and clubs were concerned about his ability to perform when he returned.

In 2022, he proved that their concerns were valid, by performing so badly that the AFC selectors had no choice but to drop him back to the SANFL for the second half of the season. Once again, he found no buyers when he was shopped around at the trade table.

2023 will be the 3rd consecutive year in which he and/or the AFC have tried to find him a new dance partner. Right now, it would take a miracle for him to be anywhere on an AFL list in 2024.

As things stand right now, he has no trade value, and no club interested in obtaining his services. The idea of him being offered a 4 year deal by anyone is laughable at best, truly champagne comedy.

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[Kane McGoodwin]

What’s the ideal number of mids on a List?

Ideally we should be able to field 2 balanced teams with no injuries, so we have cover in all positions.

At the moment we are short of talls not midfielders.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

18 Mids.
It’s all part of a surge play Nicksy is developing. No rucks, forwards or defenders, just 18 mids swarming the field. Revolutionary.

Terry Wallace likes this.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Crouch will be an Unrestricted Free Agent, having already been a RFA at the end of 2021.

Nobody was interested in him as a RFA in 2021, resulting in the AFC signing him to a discounted contract. To be fair, he had just missed a whole season due to injury, and clubs were concerned about his ability to perform when he returned.

In 2022, he proved that their concerns were valid, by performing so badly that the AFC selectors had no choice but to drop him back to the SANFL for the second half of the season. Once again, he found no buyers when he was shopped around at the trade table.

2023 will be the 3rd consecutive year in which he and/or the AFC have tried to find him a new dance partner. Right now, it would take a miracle for him to be anywhere on an AFL list in 2024.

As things stand right now, he has no trade value, and no club interested in obtaining his services. The idea of him being offered a 4 year deal by anyone is laughable at best, truly champagne comedy.

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It's in Crouch's own hands as to whether he reinvents himself to stay on an AFL list.

At least he has got himself really fit in the preseason which is a good start.

 

[croweater 41]

Will Crouch trigger FA at the end of this contract or has he still got a year or two to go before then? Without doing any looking into it at all he'd be close surely.

He'd be a lot more attractive to a team as a FA who just put a 1/2-year contract at him rather than ponying up some picks to get him and we just suck up whatever (if any) compo pick the secret herbs and spices gives us.

 

[crows dude]

Will Crouch trigger FA at the end of this contract or has he still got a year or two to go before then? Without doing any looking into it at all he'd be close surely.

He'd be a lot more attractive to a team as a FA who just put a 1/2-year contract at him rather than ponying up some picks to get him and we just suck up whatever (if any) compo pick the secret herbs and spices gives us.

Hes passed that now already. Once his contract is up he is a URFA

 

[croweater 41]

Hes passed that now already. Once his contract is up he is a URFA

So in other words we won't be trading him he'll just take the best offer whereever that is.

 

[GreyCrow]

So in other words we won't be trading him he'll just take the best offer whereever that is.

And some posters will use that to justify we were right to keep him on our list

 

[jackster83]

Will Crouch trigger FA at the end of this contract or has he still got a year or two to go before then? Without doing any looking into it at all he'd be close surely.

He'd be a lot more attractive to a team as a FA who just put a 1/2-year contract at him rather than ponying up some picks to get him and we just suck up whatever (if any) compo pick the secret herbs and spices gives us.

Teams could have offered him a two year deal and gotten him basically for free this year. No one wanted him.

It's now a Thommo situation where he'll spend his final year at AFL level kicking a Burley around.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Teams could have offered him a two year deal and gotten him basically for free this year. No one wanted him.

It's now a Thommo situation where he'll spend his final year at AFL level kicking a Burley around.

I agree with all the sentiments, but 12 months is a long time in AFL Footy & a lot can change .....I mean who thought COLL would have chased Tom Mitchell ....that was a real head scratcher.

 

[croweater 41]

Teams could have offered him a two year deal and gotten him basically for free this year. No one wanted him.

It's now a Thommo situation where he'll spend his final year at AFL level kicking a Burley around.

For Crouch I hope he has a decent year to find a two year deal. Just unfortunately somewhere else.

 

[jackster83]

I agree with all the sentiments, but 12 months is a long time in AFL Footy & a lot can change .....I mean who thought COLL would have chased Tom Mitchell ....that was a real head scratcher.

And Hawthorn couldn't get rid of him quick enough, making it two clubs who have flogged him off on gumtree.