List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[Firewalker]

Not a direct reaction to his performance today against the Suns as I’ve been thinking this since last year, I’d straight up love the club to put a million a year, 5 year contract and the promise of a starting midfield spot in front of Zac Bailey

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Zac Bailey

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.9

3star

D

12.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

5.6

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.4

3star

CL

0.7

3star

D

13.4

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.6

3star

to try an tempt him out of his Lions deal. In my opinion he’s is the most perfect player for what the Crows need right now, did his schooling in SA and also gaining revenge for Cameron would be nice.

The guy is a jet and still has untapped potential, he’s just waiting to be unleashed and is still stuck behind more heralded others in the Lions midfield.

 

[LeftyLuke]

Not a direct reaction to his performance today against the Suns as I’ve been thinking this since last year, I’d straight up love the club to chuck a million a year, 5 year contract and the promise of a starting midfield spot in front of Zac Bailey to try an tempt him out of his Lions deal. In my opinion he’s is the most perfect player for what the Crows need right now, did his schooling in SA and also gaining revenge for Cameron would be nice.

He's tearing the lions a new one but Rachele should be as good if not better within 2 years. Trading in Bailey in would allow us to interchange Rachele and Bailey between mid and forward which would be a killa combo but I don't think Bailey is worth a million. I don't think any player is worth it if you want to build a premiership team. I think he is worth around 650. It would be nice to repay the lions after stealing Cameron.

 

[1990crow]

So - Fogarty trades.

You would have to think that Collingwood would be curious. Perhaps for one of Poulter, Arlo Draper or Cooper Murley?

To be honest none would interest me. Would want proven players to be traded in.

 

[Big Dub]

Agree, he is still contracted until next year so will be willing to pay some of his salary as a sweetener (maybe this was our list management strategy by offering him only 2 years after being a FA). He will be a very handy inside midfielder for a premiership contender who would have a late first rounder this year.

So, wouldn't he be a very handy inside midfielder for us when we are (hopefully) a premiership contender in a couple of year's time?

Why would we give up quality footballers when we will always get unders in a trade?

He may not be our number one midfielder when we contend, but he's more than good enough to be in our top 6 mids at that time. Who we get for him in a trade won't be.

 

[ABAB]

So, wouldn't he be a very handy inside midfielder for us when we are (hopefully) a premiership contender in a couple of year's time?

Why would we give up quality footballers when we will always get unders in a trade?

He may not be our number one midfielder when we contend, but he's more than good enough to be in our top 6 mids at that time. Who we get for him in a trade won't be.

Our past history has shown it usually take us 5-6 years to build a list to contend for the premiership so I can't see us contending for the premiership in another 2 years especially having done a full list rebuild after 2019 which we have never previously. I suspect it will take us 8 years this time so we will need to continue to refresh the list and I wouldn't consider a late first rounder unders for M.Crouch, had he continue the form of 2017 then sure he would command pick 5-10.

 

[Steve_McDongus]

After watching all the SANFL games this year, surely a few teams ask the question about Murray and Worrell?

Reckon we could comfortably cover them with Borlase developing and McAsey (who has no trade value).

Maybe wishful thinking, but if the Dunkley rumour was to eventuate, then surely one of these would be involved in a trade?

 

[Danger in Texas]

After watching all the SANFL games this year, surely a few teams ask the question about Murray and Worrell?

Reckon we could comfortably cover them with Borlase developing and McAsey (who has no trade value).

Maybe wishful thinking, but if the Dunkley rumour was to eventuate, then surely one of these would be involved in a trade?

Adding Worrell/Murray for Dunkley is equivalent to adding Gore for Dangerfield - most teams won’t be interested, you’d think

 

[Steve_McDongus]

Adding Worrell/Murray for Dunkley is equivalent to adding Gore for Dangerfield - most teams won’t be interested, you’d think

Yes, clearly not the meat of a trade which would be a very high pick.

Murray has already achieved more than Gore did in his career.

I think Worrell is in a tricky position….more of a third tall type who is unlikely to get a game unless Doedee is injured.

 

[CroCrow]

Yes, clearly not the meat of a trade which would be a very high pick.

Murray has already achieved more than Gore did in his career.

I think Worrell is in a tricky position….more of a third tall type who is unlikely to get a game unless Doedee is injured.

As good as Walker is playing he is in his last or second last year. His kicking skills are prolonging his career. We need to start playing Worrell forward !!!

 

[CroCrow]

Move Crouch on

Someone has to go. Which 3 players will we delist this year

 

[GreyCrow]

So, wouldn't he be a very handy inside midfielder for us when we are (hopefully) a premiership contender in a couple of year's time?

Why would we give up quality footballers when we will always get unders in a trade?

He may not be our number one midfielder when we contend, but he's more than good enough to be in our top 6 mids at that time. Who we get for him in a trade won't be.

I think its a value proposition - on two levels

1. He nets us a 2nd rounder at a minimum.
2. We fill his spot with a developing midfielder.

There are pros and cons in keeping Crouch - but for me its time to part ways. He is heading into Jake Kelly stop and prop territory. If thats our game plan then he is fine - but I see the need to move the ball on at all times as the better strategy

If Matt can reinvent himself then I am all for keeping him - I'm not sure he can.

 

[Vader]

With the list situation at the moment we'll be lucky to take two picks in this year's draft.

We have to make a minimum of 3 selections, less any rookie upgrades - noting that both Butts & Strachan are contracted for 2023 and need to be upgraded this year.

Note also that list sizes should be returning to normal for the 2023 season, after 2 years of covid reduced list sizes - this would give us 2 additional senior list positions to fill, over and above our current list size.

Theoretically, we only really need to offload 1 player from our senior list this year, in order to meet the AFL's minimum draftee numbers. I think we'll make more than that, but theoretically that's all we need to do.

 

[Vader]

I think its a value proposition - on two levels

1. He nets us a 2nd rounder at a minimum.
2. We fill his spot with a developing midfielder.

There are pros and cons in keeping Crouch - but for me its time to part ways. He is heading into Jake Kelly stop and prop territory. If thats our game plan then he is fine - but I see the need to move the ball on at all times as the better strategy

If Matt can reinvent himself then I am all for keeping him - I'm not sure he can.

Crouch won't be going anywhere. He's contracted for 2023, and we saw last year that nobody wanted him for free (he had no offers as a FA) - so there's no chance of anyone actually giving us something for him this year.

 

[Sanders]

I think its a value proposition - on two levels

1. He nets us a 2nd rounder at a minimum.
2. We fill his spot with a developing midfielder.

There are pros and cons in keeping Crouch - but for me its time to part ways. He is heading into Jake Kelly stop and prop territory. If thats our game plan then he is fine - but I see the need to move the ball on at all times as the better strategy

If Matt can reinvent himself then I am all for keeping him - I'm not sure he can.

Matt crouch is not getting us a second rounder

He probably doesn’t get us an any rounder. He’s trying to rebuild his value so he can be UFA with suitors in 2023

 

[Mutineer]

Yes, clearly not the meat of a trade which would be a very high pick.

Murray has already achieved more than Gore did in his career.

I think Worrell is in a tricky position….more of a third tall type who is unlikely to get a game unless Doedee is injured.

Vic Metro's leading goal kicker at the 2019's Nationals playing mostly forward would suggest Worrell has more to his talents than a 3rd tall defender. Why our coaches haven't at least given him a block of games up forward in the SANFL I don't get.

 

[jackster83]

Vic Metro's leading goal kicker at the 2019's Nationals playing mostly forward would suggest Worrell has more to his talents than a 3rd tall defender. Why our coaches haven't at least given him a block of games up forward in the SANFL I don't get.

If TT is going to be missing for a while I suspect one of the defenders will move forward.

 

[Mego Red]

To be honest none would interest me. Would want proven players to be traded in.

To be fair, not sure we get that for Fogarty. Perhaps him and a pick?

 

[Mego Red]

If TT is going to be missing for a while I suspect one of the defenders will move forward.

SURELY.

 

[1990crow]

To be fair, not sure we get that for Fogarty. Perhaps him and a pick?

Yeah, I'd be open to doing that

 

[Mego Red]

I'd be putting the hard word on Tom Powell.

Insanity that he's in the twos for North.

 

[LeftyLuke]

If TT is going to be missing for a while I suspect one of the defenders will move forward.

Probably Murray or Worrell

 

[latinoheat]

Delist/Trade/Retire:
Berg, - 6 years in the list hasn’t improved.
Walker - won’t be part of our next premiership tilt
McHenry : he might be better in a better team. I’d cut him lose for his benefit.
Davis: good club man but 6 years on the list and not a regular means it’s time to go
Crouch: our midfield is too same same

In: Dunkley in psd or trade
Best midfielder with our 1st
Best KPF with our second
Best Ruck

Well this hasn’t aged too well

Delist/trade/retire

Sloane: injury has curtailed his influence. Coming back from an ACL at his age and playing good footy won’t happen. Give him an ambassador role like Sauce

McHenry: he’s improved the last few games but I’ll still trade

Davis: time to free up a list spot

Seed: will he ever be 100% again? Think we have younger players that can fill his role

One of Fog or Berg.

Ins remain the same

 

[LC40]

What has happened to Bailey Laurie? I really liked him in the draft.
Good kick, had goal sense and elusive, haven't seen him in the league team.
Would he be a realistic target?
Their team is loaded, they can't play everyone.

 

[ABAB]

Crouch won't be going anywhere. He's contracted for 2023, and we saw last year that nobody wanted him for free (he had no offers as a FA) - so there's no chance of anyone actually giving us something for him this year.

He was injured for the entire 2021 season so what did you expect? Doesn't matter if he is contracted for 2023, he can still be traded and if we offer to pay a majority of his salary for 2023 as part of the trade this might be tempting for a premiership contender, particularly given his form has been quite good so this is totally different to the situation when he was FA.

 

[Mismatched]

I'd be putting the hard word on Tom Powell.

Insanity that he's in the twos for North.

Not saying he's not a decent player, but what does he offer that we don't already have in absolute spades? Ultimately, there's a reason he can't get a game for North Melbourne. Draft for talent, trade for needs, he is not a need and would not come cheap.