List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[skam85]

If there’s anyone we should be targeting it should be Zac Bailey

33

Zac Bailey

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.9

3star

D

12.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

5.6

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.4

3star

CL

0.7

3star

D

13.4

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.6

3star

from Brisbane. Gun, has the agility like Judd in his prime. Will probably be a midfielder one day.. a very good one.

Absolutely but the price would be too high and nigh on impossible to achieve.

 

[skam85]

We really should be looking to add speed to our club wherever we can and I'm not sure Gould is that kind of player.

The last thing we need is a chubby McAsey

 

[Gtowncrow]

It is, but not by any meaningful distance. We're still talking about a 3-4 hour flight, regardless of whether he's in Brisbane or Adelaide.

For me, a few extra minutes tacked onto the end of a long plane flight isn't meaningful. If the options were a 1-2 hour drive, vs the long plane flight, then that would be meaningful.

Australia is a big country, with huge distances between our capital cities. In this context, a meaningful difference in distance is one where travel times are significantly shorter, and/or travel options are more flexible. For example, if the options are a 3-4 hour drive, vs a 3-4 hour flight, the drive wins because everyone has a car, and they can leave at any time; in contrast, there may be only a few flights per day, and the flights are more expensive. That's a meaningful difference. In contrast, the difference between a 3hr 30min flight, and a 3hr 45min flight, is not meaningful.

Historically Darwin had closer ties to Adelaide, because the NT was administered by SA until it gained independence in the 1970s. I'm not sure that those ties are terribly binding on someone like Bailey.

Agree.
As a previous "territorian", I've lived all you say.
Distance from home will mean nothing to a Darwin lad in the AFL. It's all very distant.

I went to school in Darwin but left immediately after for opportunities not possible in Darwin. It's a well worn path and trodden by any remote youngster.

I think these days, Gold coast have some preference to the territory (or maybe just Darwin?) but what you say about the historical SA ties is true. If it's a decision, Adelaide would likely be a city of choice for many territory families looking at relocating their "nest leaving fledglings".

Hope we're a chance to get him...

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Zac Bailey

33

Zac Bailey

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.9

3star

D

12.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

5.6

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.4

3star

CL

0.7

3star

D

13.4

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.6

3star

playing a bit too well unfortunately. At least Jordan Dawson

12

Jordan Dawson

Age

28

Ht

190cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.7

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.8

4star

CL

0.6

3star

D

15.7

4star

K

10.9

4star

HB

4.9

3star

M

2.9

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

D

11.8

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.6

3star

had the good sense to build slowly.

If Brisbane continue to do well, make a grand final, premiership...? That might be our only chance. If a number of their players are doing well and need to be re-signed on increasing dollars potentially someone good gets squeezed out. At the very least we should be providing inflationary pressure in terms of a huge contract offer.

We've stopped losing talented young players the last few years not because our culture has turned around necessarily, more so that our players aren't as good, are less sought after, easier for us to afford. We're discarding veterans so easy to make slightly generous offers to the rest of the squad.

A club like Sydney; on the rise with some good players coming through and with some expensive veterans still on the books were ripe for a trumping. Probably our best off-field move since Betts and before that Thompson.

 

[LoBu]

It is, but not by any meaningful distance. We're still talking about a 3-4 hour flight, regardless of whether he's in Brisbane or Adelaide.

For me, a few extra minutes tacked onto the end of a long plane flight isn't meaningful. If the options were a 1-2 hour drive, vs the long plane flight, then that would be meaningful.

Australia is a big country, with huge distances between our capital cities. In this context, a meaningful difference in distance is one where travel times are significantly shorter, and/or travel options are more flexible. For example, if the options are a 3-4 hour drive, vs a 3-4 hour flight, the drive wins because everyone has a car, and they can leave at any time; in contrast, there may be only a few flights per day, and the flights are more expensive. That's a meaningful difference. In contrast, the difference between a 3hr 30min flight, and a 3hr 45min flight, is not meaningful.

Historically Darwin had closer ties to Adelaide, because the NT was administered by SA until it gained independence in the 1970s. I'm not sure that those ties are terribly binding on someone like Bailey.

Darwin still has close ties to Adelaide, I worked and lived in the NT for many years and still travel there several times a year. You would note that regional managers often have SA and NT as a portfolio, and I have seen and worked within MOUs with SA Gov departments to share resources (on behalf of NT).

Alice and Adelaide are even closer, with many kids going to Adelaide school.

Having said that, the ties to Qld are strong too, particularly on the rugby side! The whole place is a melting pot, that's what makes it so great.

I think the key point with Zac Bailey is that he has connections to Adelaide from PAC and Norwood, not the flight time.

Just a minor note and history lesson , NT was administered by SA until 1911, then was governed by Canberra until 1978 when it gained self-governance which it holds today, albeit as a territory, not a state.

 

[safeandsound]

Wouldn't mind Mason Redman

27

Mason Redman

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.2

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.7

4star

MG

262.0

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.2

3star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

210.3

3star

D

12.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.4

4star

MG

144.2

3star

for the right price to add some more intercept and dash to our backline ... can cover 3rd tall through to quick smaller forwards .

He suits our zone setup and could be a nice addition to take over from Brown and then Smith if Jones keeps progressing in his role .

Also releases Dawson and Hinge if desired .

 

[scoota10]

In watching todays debarkle V GWS its clearly we don't have a Classy Mid.Should we look at De Goey ????

 

[Pugsley]

In watching todays debarkle V GWS its clearly we don't have a Classy Mid.Should we look at De Goey ????

No.

 

[morris086]

All though I still think we are rebuilding, its time to get the cheque book out. Dees and Lions have both identified holes in their lists and traded to fix them, as are the Hawks a decade ago.

We don't need to throw $1 mill a year at one single player but looking forward other than Rachele and Thilthorpe we don't have anyone that will command big dollars.

 

[Golumless]

All though I still think we are rebuilding, its time to get the cheque book out. Dees and Lions have both identified holes in their lists and traded to fix them, as are the Hawks a decade ago.

We don't need to throw $1 mill a year at one single player but looking forward other than Rachele and Thilthorpe we don't have anyone that will command big dollars.

Cook will in time as well. Firmly deserves to be apart of the conversation with Rachele and Thilthorpe as talents who'll shape how far Adelaide can go post-rebuild.

Berry, Butts, Schoenberg will also need to be pretty well paid if we want to retain them over the journey.

 

[morris086]

Cook will in time as well. Firmly deserves to be apart of the conversation with Rachele and Thilthorpe as talents who'll shape how far Adelaide can go post-rebuild.

Berry, Butts, Schoenberg will also need to be pretty well paid if we want to retain them over the journey.

Yep agree with Cook but with a player like Berry, what's his ceiling? Accumulating type mids shouldn't be over paid, as much as I rate Berry Im not sure his potential is more than a high level inside accumulator.

 

[jackster83]

Yep agree with Cook but with a player like Berry, what's his ceiling? Accumulating type mids shouldn't be over paid, as much as I rate Berry Im not sure his potential is more than a high level inside accumulator.

Accumulation is probably actually his biggest issue atm. Hopefully he can start getting more kicks than tackles soon.

 

[Crow till I die]

FWIW neithe Luko or Rankine type players would have helped us today. Blue chip mids that win their own ball and break at pace would have. Whatever we do come seasons end, we need to keep out 1st and bring in the best mid we can and hopefully with a bigger pool of young mids on our list one will stand out going forward. Thats the hope anyway as we are not getting a top end blue chip mid at the trade table

 

[LeftyLuke]

Cook will in time as well. Firmly deserves to be apart of the conversation with Rachele and Thilthorpe as talents who'll shape how far Adelaide can go post-rebuild.

Berry, Butts, Schoenberg will also need to be pretty well paid if we want to retain them over the journey.

Rachele, Thilthorpe, Cook, Taylor, Doedee, Dawson, Butts, Schoenberg, Pedlar, Hinge are the future core pretty much. The club just needs to keep bringing talent in through the trade and draft and moving players out who aren't long term players.

 

[Golumless]

Yep agree with Cook but with a player like Berry, what's his ceiling? Accumulating type mids shouldn't be over paid, as much as I rate Berry Im not sure his potential is more than a high level inside accumulator.

Nah, Berry is going to be a rather valuable player in the long term. After all, it's not just accumulating that he brings (well, once he figures that part out at an AFL level), but one of the best defensive games in the league (which he probably has now) and he is developing a bit of explosiveness. He should easily end up in that bottleneck of high quality midfielders that exist in this league, probably at a similar peak to a Jack Steele.

Rachele, Thilthorpe, Cook, Taylor, Doedee, Dawson, Butts, Schoenberg, Pedlar, Hinge are the future core pretty much. The club just needs to keep bringing talent in through the trade and draft and moving players out who aren't long term players.

Somewhat. I feel like putting Hinge or Doedee in our core players is a bit of an oversell, especially Hinge. Both should end up having solid to good careers (and Doedee in particular is on track to have a very solid career), but neither play an important enough role to really justify it. It's also way too early to put Taylor in this group.

Take them out, add Berry and it's just about on the money for what the nucleus of our future team looks at in 2022.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Nah, Berry is going to be a rather valuable player in the long term. After all, it's not just accumulating that he brings (well, once he figures that part out at an AFL level), but one of the best defensive games in the league (which he probably has now) and he is developing a bit of explosiveness. He should easily end up in that bottleneck of high quality midfielders that exist in this league, probably at a similar peak to a Jack Steele.

Whoa whoa whoa

Don’t raise the casual expectations too far haha

 

[Sanders]

Cook will in time as well. Firmly deserves to be apart of the conversation with Rachele and Thilthorpe as talents who'll shape how far Adelaide can go post-rebuild.

I like cook, I see a nice player in there but wow he’s been massively overrated in here over the last couple of weeks

Massively.

 

[hey shorty]

I like cook, I see a nice player in there but wow he’s been massively overrated in here over the last couple of weeks

Massively.

How so ?? The kids showing more than a number of our kids and off of far less footy experience to boot.

I don't see superstar, but he looks a very, very good prospect

 

[Sanders]

How so ?? The kids showing more than a number of our kids and off of far less footy experience to boot.

I don't see superstar, but he looks a very, very good prospect

Well then, you answered your own question

 

[hey shorty]

Well then, you answered your own question

I might be reading the room wrong, but I can't see many people if any doing that either.

 

[Vader]

Accumulation is probably actually his biggest issue atm. Hopefully he can start getting more kicks than tackles soon.

He's almost doubled his output from last year, going from 3.5 kicks & 9 disposals per game to 6.3 and 15.3. He still has a long way to go, obviously, but he's on an upwards trajectory. At some point, I think he will start to believe that he belongs at the AFL level, and then he'll really blossom as a player.

 

[safeandsound]

We need to get a block of games into Worrell before the season is out . Try him at both ends for 3-4 weeks at a time and see if he can stick ... i quite like him providing a linking marking target up the wing from a high half forward srart .

Schoenberg needs a half doz games straight playing at least 70% Midfield
He will be fine after that .

Pedlar some exposure in the midfield and i like what Berry is bringing ( just needs to tidy disposal amd he will )

Crouch and Brown are done , ROB needs to be upgraded by the end of 2023 at the latest .

Murray and Frampton need ruthless pressure put on them . Murray is much better one on one so if he tightens us up then Hinge should come in for Brown ... Jones can take that role and Dawson can be freed up.

We need to learn more about who can step up and stake their claim as part of our future core .

 

[TRP1996]

He's almost doubled his output from last year, going from 3.5 kicks & 9 disposals per game to 6.3 and 15.3. He still has a long way to go, obviously, but he's on an upwards trajectory. At some point, I think he will start to believe that he belongs at the AFL level, and then he'll really blossom as a player.

Whilst I broadly agree with the sentiment, last years averages are affected by a couple of absolutely dog days late in the year when he was he completely buggered and only got three possessions.

 

[woofsson]

What's happened to Milera? I seem to remember we signed him to a multi-year contract a few years ago. At the time it was said he would become one of the league's guns when recovered from injury. Even a big-bodied mid.
Seems like we could use him now, or his list spot.

 

[Vader]

Whilst I broadly agree with the sentiment, last years averages are affected by a couple of absolutely dog days late in the year when he was he completely buggered and only got three possessions.

Last year he played 17 games. He had 10+ disposals in 8 of them, with a best of 15 in R13 (vs St Kilda). This year he's only played 2 games (so far), with disposal counts of 15 & 16 - both equalling or bettering his previous best.

2 games is not statistically significant, and his season average could plummet with just one bad game. However, the fact that his lowest disposal count in 2022 equals his best disposal count of 2021 is definitely a positive!