List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[Trigger13]

You've made that call already?

This extraordinarily young list - you've already decided it's a smouldering wreck?

I’m very much in Sanders’ camp on this one. ‘Smouldering wreck’ is putting it lightly.

 

[rocket18]

Can be the only explanation as to why we put both Sloane and Seedsman on the LTI, only to then pass on the 2nd pick. We obviously didn't think anyone else in the country deserved a list spot.

Lol, "the only explanation "

How about - we have clueless muppets in charge?

A lot more evidence pointing that way.

 

[Dangerousfield]

I’m very much in Sanders’ camp on this one. ‘Smouldering wreck’ is putting it lightly.

List has all the hallmarks of a low peak then getting stuck in that mid table vortex, not good enough to challenge, too good to fall to the bottom.

Our drafting has been below par, way too many players that are not what I call "finals quality" where you need to be able to perform at an even higher level of pressure.

I might start a thread and get posters to tell me who is in their 2024/25 side challenging for a top 8 position because barring some stunning recruitment coups we aren't likely to be challenging this year or next. Think you'll find there's a lot of pieces to find before then - and a lot of luck needed.

 

[Sanders]

You've made that call already?

This extraordinarily young list - you've already decided it's a smouldering wreck?

We crashed the plane in 2020. The cannibalism is well into the after dinner mints & cognac

Adelaide nicks GWS senior assistant coach to replace Don Pyke

Former Sydney Swans player and GWS senior assistant coach Matthew Nicks says he's ready to embrace the challenge as Adelaide Football Club's new senior coach.

amp.abc.net.au

Crows chairman Rob Chapman said Nicks had a good understanding of the South Australian football landscape.​

"Our club is embarking upon an exciting new era and Matthew is the perfect person to guide and develop our talented playing list as it goes through a period of rejuvenation," he said.​

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[Trigger13]

List has all the hallmarks of a low peak then getting stuck in that mid table vortex, not good enough to challenge, too good to fall to the bottom.

Our drafting has been below par, way too many players that are not what I call "finals quality" where you need to be able to perform at an even higher level of pressure.

I might start a thread and get posters to tell me who is in their 2024/25 side challenging for a top 8 position because barring some stunning recruitment coups we aren't likely to be challenging this year or next. Think you'll find there's a lot of pieces to find before then - and a lot of luck needed.

Spot on. Must nail draft/recruiting with rare accuracy/success over the next two years just to make up for the recent fails. Long road ahead.

 

[Anzacpaul]

I don't think it's inventing something to complain about. Our contracting has left us tight for list spots.

I mean these are the 10 uncontracted players

Billy Frampton
Elliot Himmelberg
Mitch Hinge
James Rowe
Taylor Walker
Lachlan Gollant
James Borlase (R)
Tariek Newchurch (R)
Patrick Parnell (R)
Ben Davis (R)

About half of these guys we definitely want to re-sign - Walker, Gollant, Parnell, and Hinge at the very least - which leaves us only six free spots, three of which are rookies. And that's with us delisting Rowe who is unlikely to be delisted

I also believe we have to upgrade Butts and Strachan, which if we re-contract the above 4 leaves us with just 1 senior list spot for the draft

So assuming we have to make three changes, who are we delisting?

Davis, maybe Seed through injury.

 

[GreyCrow]

Davis and Hinge

 

[Danger in Texas]

Davis and Hinge

Would be very surprised

So assuming we have to make three changes, who are we delisting?

Davis, maybe Seed through injury.

Davis, Seed (retired), Frampton. Himmelberg and Rowe delisted and re-drafted as rookies

Possibly might see the trading of a couple of contracted players, too (Sholl, McAsey, Worrell, Fogarty all chances here)

 

[Redline]

List has all the hallmarks of a low peak then getting stuck in that mid table vortex, not good enough to challenge, too good to fall to the bottom.

Our drafting has been below par, way too many players that are not what I call "finals quality" where you need to be able to perform at an even higher level of pressure.

I might start a thread and get posters to tell me who is in their 2024/25 side challenging for a top 8 position because barring some stunning recruitment coups we aren't likely to be challenging this year or next. Think you'll find there's a lot of pieces to find before then - and a lot of luck needed.

I think the worrying part is when our effort starts to drop which will happen at some stage we will be in a world of pain. The two things keeping us from where the Kangaroos are at is Tex's return to form and that we give 100% effort.

 

[Vader]

Davis and Hinge

I'd be very surprised to see Hinge depart... and Davis is on the rookie list - so culling him doesn't free up a position for the National Draft.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

I'd be very surprised to see Hinge depart... and Davis is on the rookie list - so culling him doesn't free up a position for the National Draft.

Actually it can, because we have 5 rookies.

 

[Crow till I die]

So assuming we have to make three changes, who are we delisting?

Davis, maybe Seed through injury.

Has to be 1 of himmelberg or frampton. Bring in a rookie tall..literally could not do worse and might be a lot better

 

[Danger in Texas]

Cleary saying both Adelaide clubs are ‘keeping tabs’ on Dunkley, whatever that means

 

[MRB37]

Cleary saying both Adelaide clubs are ‘keeping tabs’ on Dunkley, whatever that means

It means they're waiting on him potentially saying "I want to come to SA to live".

That one I would expect Port to go super hard on though and sign if he did become available.

 

[BRL121]

Cleary saying both Adelaide clubs are ‘keeping tabs’ on Dunkley, whatever that means

If tonight's match is any guide, he wouldn't be worth having.

 

[MRB37]

Would be very surprised

Davis, Seed (retired), Frampton. Himmelberg and Rowe delisted and re-drafted as rookies

Possibly might see the trading of a couple of contracted players, too (Sholl, McAsey, Worrell, Fogarty all chances here)

One of Frampton/Berg and Rowe I would certainly expect to be put on the rookie list. I believe Borlase and Newchurch can spend one more year on the Cat B list, so just for SANFL depth reasons you'd think they'd be retained.

Currently we have OOC at the end of the year

Ben Davis	Non-Free Agent	Cat A Rookie
Patrick Parnell	Non-Free Agent	Cat A Rookie
Tariek Newchurch	Non-Free Agent	Cat B Rookie
James Borlase	Non-Free Agent	Cat B Rookie
Billy Frampton	Non-Free Agent
Elliott Himmelberg	Non-Free Agent
James Rowe	Non-Free Agent
Lachlan Gollant	Non-Free Agent
Mitchell Hinge	Non-Free Agent
Taylor Walker	Unrestricted Free Agent

6 players OOC with us currently having picks 4, 22, 40 and 76 in the draft. 76 is likely earmarked for upgrading Butts to the senior list, we've also got Strachan on the rookie list who I believe is his last year allowed too, so 6 OOC players and 2 spots taken up by needing to upgrade players already, so 2 upgrades + 3 picks means we have 1 out of that list to keep on the senior list. Walker is a given to get an extra year you'd think, which leaves Gollant, Hinge and one of Frampton/Berg out in the cold.

So definitely can't see a scenario where we're not looking to off-load a player or too to free up some more spots. I imagine Parnell might have been given a shot just to see how he keeps his head above water in the AFL too before deciding what to do with him as well.

 

[Vader]

One of Frampton/Berg and Rowe I would certainly expect to be put on the rookie list. I believe Borlase and Newchurch can spend one more year on the Cat B list, so just for SANFL depth reasons you'd think they'd be retained.

Currently we have OOC at the end of the year

Ben Davis	Non-Free Agent	Cat A Rookie
Patrick Parnell	Non-Free Agent	Cat A Rookie
Tariek Newchurch	Non-Free Agent	Cat B Rookie
James Borlase	Non-Free Agent	Cat B Rookie
Billy Frampton	Non-Free Agent
Elliott Himmelberg	Non-Free Agent
James Rowe	Non-Free Agent
Lachlan Gollant	Non-Free Agent
Mitchell Hinge	Non-Free Agent
Taylor Walker	Unrestricted Free Agent

6 players OOC with us currently having picks 4, 22, 40 and 76 in the draft. 76 is likely earmarked for upgrading Butts to the senior list, we've also got Strachan on the rookie list who I believe is his last year allowed too, so 6 OOC players and 2 spots taken up by needing to upgrade players already, so 2 upgrades + 3 picks means we have 1 out of that list to keep on the senior list. Walker is a given to get an extra year you'd think, which leaves Gollant, Hinge and one of Frampton/Berg out in the cold.

So definitely can't see a scenario where we're not looking to off-load a player or too to free up some more spots. I imagine Parnell might have been given a shot just to see how he keeps his head above water in the AFL too before deciding what to do with him as well.

A - We don't need to use a draft pick to upgrade players from the rookie list. That system was done away with years ago.
B - We also get 2x "free" senior list positions back, when list sizes return to normal in 2023.

My guess:

• Davis (R) delisted
• Frampton delisted
• Seedsman retired
• Rowe transferred to rookie list

That leaves us with 5x senior list positions vacant (3 players removed, 2 free positions due to list sizes changing). We upgrade Strachan & Butts, both of whom have reached the maximum time on the rookie list. We then make 3 selections at the ND.

 

[Danger Zone]

A - We don't need to use a draft pick to upgrade players from the rookie list. That system was done away with years ago.
B - We also get 2x "free" senior list positions back, when list sizes return to normal in 2023.

My guess:

• Davis (R) delisted
• Frampton delisted
• Seedsman retired
• Rowe transferred to rookie list

That leaves us with 5x senior list positions vacant (3 players removed, 2 free positions due to list sizes changing). We upgrade Strachan & Butts, both of whom have reached the maximum time on the rookie list. We then make 3 selections at the ND.

This was my read as well. Though if any players want out, or if list sizes don't revert, then the equation obviously changes.

 

[LoBu]

I don’t think we can hang anyone when there is different data out there.

There is an argument going around that we are too small.

Hately was quoted to be 189 when he is 191, and these people say we are midfield of short people.

Turner is 185, not small, and people say we should have got Carmichael.

Everyone is raving about Culley like the next Bont, but he wasn't good enough last year and had played a few games well as an over ager in the under 18s pushing into the midfield.

We know that tall midfielders develop later than small mids, think Callahan and Bont coming on late in their draft year, or cripps and danger later top picks, fyfe second round, Petracca taking years to come on, etc.

So why do we forget about Cook (190) and Nankervis (191) playing SANFL footy?

Comparisons between Carmichael or Culley are mistaken, they should be with Nankervis.

Our midfield, while not great, needs players across different heights. Neale (178) is considered the most in form player this year.

So being small is not the problem, being good is.

Berry (182), Soligo (180), Keays (185), Hately (191) is not a small midfield, it's well balanced.

The problem is Crouch is rubbish, Laird hacks the ball, and Sloane is slow. In 2 years time none of these guys will be on the list, Laird can go back if he is.

We also have Shoenberg, Nankervis, Cook, Pedlar and Taylor.

JHF (185) or similar (trade ir draft)is a desperate need, no doubt we need an absolute top end talent, and once we get Thilthorpe into ruck we will be done.

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[WaynesWorld19]

 

[1970crow]

Tex has previously taken a pay cut to keep other players.

Tex has been our top goal kicker in 2019, 2020, 2021 and is leading in 2022.

Tex was a top 3 goal kicker and captain of our club in 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018.

And you have the balls to call him selfish for wanting a little more security and a longer contract. After all the bullshit we have pulled as a club over the past 5 years, why should he be loyal.

Tex has given to the AFC a lot more than the club has given to him.

he didn't take a pay cut, he restructured and backloaded the deal.

 

[1970crow]

If we're going to have another crack at JHF this year, would North want a reliable grunt possession winner to replace him. So if we added Keays or Laird, whichever they'd take, what more would we need to add?

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

If we're going to have another crack at JHF this year, would North want a reliable grunt possession winner to replace him. So if we added Keays or Laird, whichever they'd take, what more would we need to add?

A lot, what value would you place on those 2?

To trade him whole contracted, they would want two top 10 picks and 2nd minimum.

 

[1970crow]

A lot, what value would you place on those 2?

To trade him whole contracted, they would want two top 10 picks and 2nd minimum.

i left out the bit where they're added to our first pick. So 5, Laird and how much more would be required? Is it still an earlyish first rounder?

 

[Golumless]

i left out the bit where they're added to our first pick. So 5, Laird and how much more would be required? Is it still an earlyish first rounder?

Probably Rachele/Thilthorpe. I highly doubt there is a price where North considers letting JHF go without either being involved at this point.