List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[1970crow]

You want to trade Laird, move Keays back in the middle and keep Crouch???????

If it gets us Rankine and closer to JHF, absolutely. Keeping Crouch isn’t a necessity, but losing Laird is no biggie to our next contending period. But I definitely wouldn’t choose to lose both him and Keays at end of this year.

And govt forget that Sloane is going to play half forward all next year. Something has to give and I don’t care if it’s Laird.

 

[DJ75]

There was an interesting suggestion on twitter that suggested Rankine's management had told Dew that they wouldn't move players back to the Crows after what had happened the past few years.

Thought I'd look at who else they manage to see if there could be any truth.

They manage Rankine, along with, Brad Crouch

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Brad Crouch

Age

31

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.1

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

5.5

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

20.3

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

9.1

5star

M

1.5

2star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.6

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.6

5star

, Matt Crouch

5

Matt Crouch

Age

30

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

, Eddie Betts and Stengle...

 

[Soggy2112]

They don’t need to be traded to Brisbane, just picks that get us their first as they’re after points.

No evidence, but if somebody enquired with a good offer to him and us, I’d not try to convince him to stay. Unless we’d already traded Keays out.

Why the infatuation with trading players to Brisbane, there’s 16 other clubs in the league that also have draft picks and employ players.

I was discussing Brisbane because you brought them up??? I’m not infatuated with them.

My point is it’s silly to throw around contracted, best 22 players as if we can just get rid of them to get picks and make trades when it doesn’t work that way.

 

[DJ75]

If it gets us Rankine and closer to JHF, absolutely. Keeping Crouch isn’t a necessity, but losing Laird is no biggie to our next contending period. But I definitely wouldn’t choose to lose both him and Keays at end of this year.

And govt forget that Sloane is going to play half forward all next year. Something has to give and I don’t care if it’s Laird.

Sloane should be thanked for his time and offered a coaching position.

 

[George CantStandYa]

There was an interesting suggestion on twitter that suggested Rankine's management had told Dew that they wouldn't move players back to the Crows after what had happened the past few years.

Thought I'd look at who else they manage to see if there could be any truth.

They manage Rankine, along with, Brad Crouch, Matt Crouch, Eddie Betts and Stengle...

In the end its not up to them, they have to present the offer to their player, they can recommend against it but the player has the final choice.

 

[Golumless]

If it gets us Rankine and closer to JHF, absolutely. Keeping Crouch isn’t a necessity, but losing Laird is no biggie to our next contending period. But I definitely wouldn’t choose to lose both him and Keays at end of this year.

And govt forget that Sloane is going to play half forward all next year. Something has to give and I don’t care if it’s Laird.

Lose Laird and we're going to be forced to restart our rebuild in a year or two.

He's vital to make sure we get through this period and to the point our kids/next core are ready to be a finals contender, seeing how little quality we actually have at this point in time (we have the talent, but unrealized talent isn't particularly useful).

It's one of the lessons in Norths struggles this year. How important it is that your quality experienced guys are kept and how quickly it can spiral out of control when they're out (noting Cunningham got wiped for the year). The other sign of the coin is how it's nearly impossible to predict how kids will go, or when they'll be ready to take over (noting how Schoenberg has struggled this year).

 

[LeftyLuke]

I can't see there being anyway we trade Keays. As a club I just can't see it happening. I wouldn't be against it though.

Got to be a better idea than Kornes' thinking that a Rankine trade will need Thilthorpe, or Fog + Rachele.

I don't know what that flog smokes, but holy hell it must be strong.

Did he say that? That's funny. He really is angry if Rankine cones to us. Lol.

 

[LeftyLuke]

Sloane should be thanked for his time and offered a coaching position.

At another club.

 

[Crow till I die]

They don’t need to be traded to Brisbane, just picks that get us their first as they’re after points.

No evidence, but if somebody enquired with a good offer to him and us, I’d not try to convince him to stay. Unless we’d already traded Keays out.

Why the infatuation with trading players to Brisbane, there’s 16 other clubs in the league that also have draft picks and employ players.

then spitballing a deal that might cut the mustard

Adelaide
In: Rankine, Brisbane 2022 1st
Out: Pick 4 and 2022 2nd

GC:
In pick 4
Out: Rankine & 2 x 3rd round picks (picks 44, 52) - 44 & 52 + our 2nd rounder is equivalent to pick 11
(GC would still be left with picks 4, 8, 26, 31 & 34)

Brisbane:
In crows 2nd + 2 x 3rd round picks
Out: Brisbane 2022 1st
With their later picks they have enough points to match a bid at pick 1 with the discount

We would want to get on our bike and trade a couple of players out for the points for Michalanney

But we could walk away with Rankine, maybe Keeler and Michalanney...where do we sign

 

[1970crow]

Lose Laird and we're going to be forced to restart our rebuild in a year or two.

He's vital to make sure we get through this period and to the point our kids/next core are ready to be a finals contender, seeing how little quality we actually have at this point in time (we have the talent, but unrealized talent isn't particularly useful).

It's one of the lessons in Norths struggles this year. How important it is that your quality experienced guys are kept and how quickly it can spiral out of control when they're out (noting Cunningham got wiped for the year). The other sign of the coin is how it's nearly impossible to predict how kids will go, or when they'll be ready to take over (noting how Schoenberg has struggled this year).

Laird will be done in 2 years, him going now won't have any bearing then. We'll be re-starting it anyway because we've not done it right and the focus all along has been maximising likelihood of winning each week, not accepting a touch more pain for future benefit. The only question to ask is what's left behind in the midfield rotation if he goes. A Lairdless midfield doesn't scare me, nit that I'd be giving him away.

 

[Mutineer]

There was an interesting suggestion on twitter that suggested Rankine's management had told Dew that they wouldn't move players back to the Crows after what had happened the past few years.

Thought I'd look at who else they manage to see if there could be any truth.

They manage Rankine, along with, Brad Crouch, Matt Crouch, Eddie Betts and Stengle...

You missed the "indigenous" players part

 

[Mutineer]

then spitballing a deal that might cut the mustard

Adelaide
In: Rankine, Brisbane 2022 1st
Out: Pick 4 and 2022 2nd

GC:
In pick 4
Out: Rankine & 2 x 3rd round picks (picks 44, 52) - 44 & 52 + our 2nd rounder is equivalent to pick 11
(GC would still be left with picks 4, 8, 26, 31 & 34)

Brisbane:
In crows 2nd + 2 x 3rd round picks
Out: Brisbane 2022 1st
With their later picks they have enough points to match a bid at pick 1 with the discount

We would want to get on our bike and trade a couple of players out for the points for Michalanney

But we could walk away with Rankine, maybe Keeler and Michalanney...where do we sign

We don't.

No quality midfielders in that scenario.

 

[Crow till I die]

We don't.

No quality midfielders in that scenario.

ollie hollands likely to be there around Brisbane's 1st?

 

[Vader]

Pretty much what I meant. Crouch is gone.

Crouch wants to go, but can he find a club interested in trading for him?

He didn't find any buyers when he went looking 12 months ago, as a FA, albeit coming off a year out due to injury. His stocks have not risen since then. They weren't prepared to take him for free then, why would they be willing to trade for him now?

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[Bearded Clam]

There was an interesting suggestion on twitter that suggested Rankine's management had told Dew that they wouldn't move players back to the Crows after what had happened the past few years.

Thought I'd look at who else they manage to see if there could be any truth.

They manage Rankine, along with, Brad Crouch, Matt Crouch, Eddie Betts and Stengle...

Thats just BS from the manager there..

There’s no way he’d actually mean that.. he’s just talking shit.

1) he’s ultimately got no say in where his player goes. He can give advice but in the end if his player says “I want to go play for …….” then so be it.

2) in this instance as if he is gonna get upset cause his player has chosen a club that he would prefer not to deal with when that club is offering his player significantly more money.. and if he did, so what, he can dry the tears in his eyes with the shitload more commission he will earn from the deal..

 

[Vader]

Would be stunned if JHF moved. When was the last time a really high draft pick (let alone a #1) moved after 1 year? I can see him moving next year, when his contract expires.

Rankine + a first round pick for a midfielder + Michaelanny would be a massive offseason. Surely one of the Crows best.

Nathan Buckley springs quickly to mind, but that's going back almost 30 years.

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[Bearded Clam]

Sloane should be thanked for his time and told to find a coaching position at another club..

FTFY..

We need to stop the habit of recycling mates and ex. players through the club..

 

[Soggy2112]

Laird will be done in 2 years, him going now won't have any bearing then. We'll be re-starting it anyway because we've not done it right and the focus all along has been maximising likelihood of winning each week, not accepting a touch more pain for future benefit. The only question to ask is what's left behind in the midfield rotation if he goes. A Lairdless midfield doesn't scare me, nit that I'd be giving him away.

Laird is contracted until 2026, and nothing in his performance suggests he’ll be done in 2 years.

I also think the idea that our midfield won’t develop while Laird is leading it to be silly, Melbourne seemed to do just fine with Jones.

 

[Bernie L]

Crouch wants to go, but can he find a club interested in trading for him?

He didn't find any buyers when he went looking 12 months ago, as a FA, albeit coming off a year out due to injury. His stocks have not risen since then. They weren't prepared to take him for free then, why would they be willing to trade for him now?

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Its a good point. But I think there will be a couple of suitable clubs. Geelong?

 

[Soggy2112]

Its a good point. But I think there will be a couple of suitable clubs. Geelong?

Richmond and Collingwood make sense, Hawthorn potentially if they want a cheaper downgrade on Mitchell and maybe get some extra draft picks.

 

[Mutineer]

Thats just BS from the manager there..

There’s no way he’d actually mean that.. he’s just talking s**t.

1) he’s ultimately got no say in where his player goes. He can give advice but in the end if his player says “I want to go play for …….” then so be it.

2) in this instance as if he is gonna get upset cause his player has chosen a club that he would prefer not to deal with when that club is offering his player significantly more money.. and if he did, so what, he can dry the tears in his eyes with the shitload more commission he will earn from the deal..

DJ dropped the word "indigenous" there

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-trade-news-2022-all-the-latest-in-trades-free-agency-and-player-contracts/news-story/0c82f853f599b7b9b0c2927265c67006

Here's the quote...Rankine’s manager Dimi Parhas recently told senior Suns staff including coach Stuart Dew he would not move another indigenous player back to Adelaide given his recent experiences.

Dimi Parhas will do whatever the player requsests in reality if he wants to keep them on his books, he can give them advice but at the end of the day he works for the player not the other way round.

 

[Gtowncrow]

Why would GC give 8 back? Just can't see it happening.

I think our pick 4 remains off the table unless they offer pick 8 back.
It's not as bad a deal as you think as although they lose Rankine, they will replace him with an elite talent with pick 4.

The catch is...if they do nothing they keep Rankine and pick 8. Then it gets tricky.

I can see us being active in exiting some of our players to open up options.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

I just want us to find a way we can get JHF, Dunkley and Rankine, as well as Keeler and Michalanney.

Make it happen, Crows.

Our 2022 1st is far too high a price to pay for Dunkley or Rankine, and should be split if possible, or switched with GC/Bulldogs with us sending an extra pick their way. If we can turn that into two mid-range 1sts then that should be enough for both players. We have the cash

JHF, just offer our 2032 1st, plus some other back end picks or players.

My guess is that Worrell will be put up for trade, as much as I hate to say it. He's too good to be used as depth, and we're hardly going to trade Doedee.

Crouch, Himmelberg,Worrell and anyone else should net enough draft picks to allow us to sweeten deals, and make sure we're allowed to trade our 1sts. Keeler is only going to cost an early 2nd, which we have, and Michalanney is just points.

Hamish has already said we'd be looking at potentially trading our 1st rd picks. That'd not a rumour, that's from the horses mouth, and we're also on record saying we'll be attacking Free Agency.

OK JHF, Dunkley and Rankine is probably unrealistic, but as Meatloaf once said..... 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

 

[Gtowncrow]

Why not? Makes sense with McStay leaving.

Has that been confirmed?

 

[1990crow]

Has that been confirmed?

McStay? It's been reported for months.