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Does anybody know how we can 'outsource our midfield'? From the crows this sends to be the strategy.
It sounds like the opposite of organic growth to me.
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The strategy is to put our best players behind the ball. So it doesn't matter who we get because they will play last line of defence like Dawson.
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Sounds like trading in ''missing pieces'' instead of drafting high end midfielders with high end picks
ie use 5 on Rankine and 23 on a Keays type
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ROB's lack of marking this season was significant. He dropped more than he caught. This used to be one of his best attributes, but without it, he is mostly a liability around the ground.
ROB's lack of marking ability probably led to Nicks playing Dawson in defence because he can mark... even he should be playing in a more attacking role.
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The use of Dawson was more due to our defence first mentality. We stopped trying to win games and started trying to limit the damage.
The fact that we sit ROB 5 m off a ball up in the F50 where he is utterly useless rather than a kick behind the play is probably due to his inability to take a mark.
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I don't disagree as posted on this defence first mentality throughout the year.
Just saying that if ROB was marking properly & providing a chop out like in previous years, I reckon Nicks may have pushed Dawson on to a wing for more games.
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Also mean't ROB wasn't able to successfully used as a resting RUCK up FWD .....and didn't help our Defenders when falling back ......in fact, a few times he spoilt & interfered with teammates, who could have marked
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How did he get so lumbering? He seemed much slower and less coordinated than his 2020 season.
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Is ROB getting too big ? .....he looks stronger, but at the expense of mobility ....that's one explanation
My theory is .....he hasn't looked to have a steely determination to mark the ball .....often he simply puts his arms up weekly .....coincidence, his drop in form occurred after signing a new Contract ?
When he's on the verge of being dropped .....or returning after being dropped, you can see a complete shift in his attitude ....there is that determination & he attacks the contest fiercely
My problem, from week to week, with ROB .....you simply don't know & can't trust, which ROB is going to show up
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Long term fat contract to tote around!
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Is Murray still on the rookie list?
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Re ROB. Kicking action is slow, gets in the way of fellow teammates, and had several games where he took 0 marks. Think Thilthorpe or Strachen need to be developed into our first ruck. No room in the game for a lumbering, non-marking, poor tap and non-contributor to the midfield mix. Has gone backwards after his new contract. Chances of trading him to anyone are remote.
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Fish at pick 6 
Ned and Jones in the first round
Rob on a 4yr deal
No finals for 5 yrs and not looking anywhere near the level.. we are totally in the zone of bottom 4 again next yr.
Slight improvement maybe but to a top 8 level not a chance in hell.
We have wasted yrs of trading/drafting.
Time to pull the trigger, Look to Trade any of..
Doedee/McAdam/Milera/keays
Give away.. Ned/Jones/Rob/sholl/Crouch.
Nicks is going to waste seasons when we need to jolt the list, we have below average players that aren't going to win us finals they need to be turned over and we need to be injecting the list with new potential.
This 50 game shit Nicks keeps dribbling is rubbish..this is 2022 plenty of athletes are recruited having had exposure to elite programs. If a bloke is capable he will hold his own not just physically but will also be composed along with the required skill set.
If Nicks needs 2-3 yrs (these guys are full time) to tell if a bloke can play then he needs to be removed.
The fact the likes of Ned are seen as untouchable is deadset embarrassing.
Ned and Jones in the first round
Rob on a 4yr deal
No finals for 5 yrs and not looking anywhere near the level.. we are totally in the zone of bottom 4 again next yr.
Slight improvement maybe but to a top 8 level not a chance in hell.
We have wasted yrs of trading/drafting.
Time to pull the trigger, Look to Trade any of..
Doedee/McAdam/Milera/keays
Give away.. Ned/Jones/Rob/sholl/Crouch.
Nicks is going to waste seasons when we need to jolt the list, we have below average players that aren't going to win us finals they need to be turned over and we need to be injecting the list with new potential.
This 50 game shit Nicks keeps dribbling is rubbish..this is 2022 plenty of athletes are recruited having had exposure to elite programs. If a bloke is capable he will hold his own not just physically but will also be composed along with the required skill set.
If Nicks needs 2-3 yrs (these guys are full time) to tell if a bloke can play then he needs to be removed.
The fact the likes of Ned are seen as untouchable is deadset embarrassing.
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Of course it's not.
The interceptor behind the ball is one of the most attacking positions - scores from turnovers are incredibly important, and that quarterback role that sets up rebound is essential.
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Man that is such a rant but absolutely spot on. The AFC apologists on here won't like it because it's the truth.Fish at pick 6
Ned and Jones in the first round
Rob on a 4yr deal
No finals for 5 yrs and not looking anywhere near the level.. we are totally in the zone of bottom 4 again next yr.
Slight improvement maybe but to a top 8 level not a chance in hell.
We have wasted yrs of trading/drafting.
Time to pull the trigger, Look to Trade any of..
Doedee/McAdam/Milera/keays
Give away.. Ned/Jones/Rob/sholl/Crouch.
Nicks is going to waste seasons when we need to jolt the list, we have below average players that aren't going to win us finals they need to be turned over and we need to be injecting the list with new potential.
This 50 game s**t Nicks keeps dribbling is rubbish..this is 2022 plenty of athletes are recruited having had exposure to elite programs. If a bloke is capable he will hold his own not just physically but will also be composed along with the required skill set.
If Nicks needs 2-3 yrs (these guys are full time) to tell if a bloke can play then he needs to be removed.
The fact the likes of Ned are seen as untouchable is deadset embarrassing.
All this magical 50 game rubbish transforming spuds into finals quality players. Have a look at first and second year players in this years finals who are big contributors to their teams success, they didn't need the 50 game mark.
McHenry is 50 games, still the small, slow, low skilled player we drafted in 2018 and has a Nick's Gold Pass!
We carry too many mature players who will never be finals quality players, get us to mid table, but not finals.
You don't take your most damaging player and sit them at full back if you are trying to win games.
You put him in a position to be damaging.
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He never played full back. He played a kick behind the ball, where he would lead rebound attack from a turnover through his marking ability and his fantastic footskills.
Putting him on a wing means he spends a lot of the game on the fat side, just watching the ball 75m away.
Wingmen just don't get that many disposals, which obviously limits how much influence he would be able to have.
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When people talk about the 50 game mark they’re referencing that as around the time you can start to expect your top end talent to become consistent high level/elite contributors (look at Fogarty).
The players who we are looking at and saying, just wait until they hit that mark:
Thilthorpe - 25
Rachele - 13
Soligo - 16
Berry - 35
Schoenberg - 46
Rankine - 48
Dawson and Fogarty are already there.
The players a level below that group who I would also be saying, give it 2-3 years and then see:
Pedlar - 5
Hamill - 38
Taylor - 0
Worrell - 5
Murray - 29
Parnell - 11
Butts - 43
I agree McHenry should not have been given as many games, but he isn’t the one people are talking about with that 50 game mark.
Yes there are first and second year players who are significant contributors, but who are the stars from finals teams in that age range? Maybe Daicos and Warner. Outside of that I would argue almost all of the players I’ve listed, and definitely in that first group would’ve been able to perform well as good role players in Geelong, Brisbane, Sydney or Collingwood’s side.
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I’d argue that 20 Dawson touches on the wing would have more impact than 30 at half back.
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