Play Nice 2022 Non AFL Crowds/Ratings/Finance/Development thread

[The_Wookie]

It sort of is easy.
With sport, once a sport is extremely popular, it's almost impossible to drive down its popularity.
You have to try really, really hard to achieve that, and even then, despite the best efforts of the most incompetent administrators, it's almost impossible to drive down popularity.
So in that context, to get massive bonuses normally reserved for merchant bankers, for an activity that has 150 years of immense societal popularity behind it really is akin to shooting fish in a barrell.

yeah sure. I mean lets ignore the statistical and financial evidence that goes with running the competition, and lets not compare it to the competition and their administrative efforts over the years. And lets not just take attendance and membership figures from the 80s and 90s and pretend they are everything.

And lets ignore the market rates for executives.

its easy peasy though.

At club level administrators often battle compared to each other.

The AFL is the best resourced of our sports courtesy of those administrators that went before them.

Well yes and no. That the sport was popular is true, but the AFL hasnt fallen to any of the other issues that have affected other sports either. Both Soccer and League have completely redone their governance structures since 2005 (Soccer in 2005, the NRL in 2011).

Gillon Mclachlan for example has been involved in every rights negotiation since 1999. The tv rights in 1999 were 40m a year, and prior to this the AFL and NRL were neck and neck rights and ratings wise.

The fact that these rights have increased massively in value ahead of every other code is testament to the negotiating skills of the people in charge, not anyone no longer with the league - and bear in mind there has not been a matching increase in tv ratings until the advent of streaming. The decision not to overextend the rights in 2020 when they went for just 2 years instead of the 7 that the NRL did is a classic example of excellent decision making.

Other key calls were the decision to take Docklands in 2017 instead of waiting to 2025 (which enabled the AFL to proceed confidently during COVID) and the decision to start the womens competition 4 years before anyone thought it was going to happen.

The fact there hasnt been a major club or player revolt against the administration despite the massive financial success of the league is testament to the leadership and planning of each administration.

Soccer, Union and League have all shown what happens when you have inept leadership. Look at League, which despite its popularity has issues with clubs and players every couple of years, hasnt really been able to grow its attendance - and is well short of the 20,000 target predicted for 2017! - had no assets until this year, until recently couldnt even get loans, evidently cant actually negotiate stadium deals properly, and has had a similar number of CEOs (4) and Chairmen (3) since the ARLC was formed in 2012 to the AFL has had since the Commission was formed in 1993. (4 & 4).

With that, much of the leagues stability is owed to the formation of the Commission in 1993, and the franchise agreements all clubs signed after the Macedon summit in 1985 (the Elliot meeting where a breakaway league was proposed), and the granting of perrenial licenses, instead of periodic ones (an issue that continues to come up in Rugby League).

 

[Kwality]

yeah sure. I mean lets ignore the statistical and financial evidence that goes with running the competition, and lets not compare it to the competition and their administrative efforts over the years. And lets not just take attendance and membership figures from the 80s and 90s and pretend they are everything.

And lets ignore the market rates for executives.

its easy peasy though.



Well yes and no. That the sport was popular is true, but the AFL hasnt fallen to any of the other issues that have affected other sports either. Both Soccer and League have completely redone their governance structures since 2005 (Soccer in 2005, the NRL in 2011).

Gillon Mclachlan for example has been involved in every rights negotiation since 1999. The tv rights in 1999 were 40m a year, and prior to this the AFL and NRL were neck and neck rights and ratings wise.

The fact that these rights have increased massively in value ahead of every other code is testament to the negotiating skills of the people in charge, not anyone no longer with the league - and bear in mind there has not been a matching increase in tv ratings until the advent of streaming. The decision not to overextend the rights in 2020 when they went for just 2 years instead of the 7 that the NRL did is a classic example of excellent decision making.

Other key calls were the decision to take Docklands in 2017 instead of waiting to 2025 (which enabled the AFL to proceed confidently during COVID) and the decision to start the womens competition 4 years before anyone thought it was going to happen.

The fact there hasnt been a major club or player revolt against the administration despite the massive financial success of the league is testament to the leadership and planning of each administration.

Soccer, Union and League have all shown what happens when you have inept leadership. Look at League, which despite its popularity has issues with clubs and players every couple of years, hasnt really been able to grow its attendance - and is well short of the 20,000 target predicted for 2017! - had no assets until this year, until recently couldnt even get loans, evidently cant actually negotiate stadium deals properly, and has had a similar number of CEOs (4) and Chairmen (3) since the ARLC was formed in 2012 to the AFL has had since the Commission was formed in 1993. (4 & 4).

With that, much of the leagues stability is owed to the formation of the Commission in 1993, and the franchise agreements all clubs signed after the Macedon summit in 1985 (the Elliot meeting where a breakaway league was proposed), and the granting of perrenial licenses, instead of periodic ones (an issue that continues to come up in Rugby League).

I see the work over media rights as testimony to those who went before the current management team.
The option on Docklands was significant - that it existed was the work of those who went before them.
I put the AFLW in the work in progress market.

 

[The_Wookie]

I see the work over media rights as testimony to those who went before the current management team.
The option on Docklands was significant - that it existed was the work of those who went before them.
I put the AFLW in the work in progress market.

yes I too find the jump from $13m pa to $643m pa to be insignifcant given no increase in broadcast ratings and far outstripping inflation and other codes not coming close to matching that. Let alone the increases in other commercial and non broadcast revenues.

You've got to be kidding.

Theres a reason that other codes havent been able to come close to this.

 

[Kwality]

yes I too find the jump from $13m pa to $643m pa to be insignifcant given no increase in broadcast ratings and far outstripping inflation and other codes not coming close to matching that. Let alone the increases in other commercial and non broadcast revenues.

You've got to be kidding.

Theres a reason that other codes havent been able to come close to this.

Not that I suggested the dollars was/was not a measure of the success of AFL footy. I said the current generation of managers has had a solid foundation courtesy of those who preceded them.

 

[Bjo187]

The AFL have done extremely well in some areas and poorly in others. They do have the best product in Australia though, which makes it a bit easier of a sell.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

yeah sure. I mean lets ignore the statistical and financial evidence that goes with running the competition, and lets not compare it to the competition and their administrative efforts over the years. And lets not just take attendance and membership figures from the 80s and 90s and pretend they are everything.

And lets ignore the market rates for executives.

its easy peasy though.



Well yes and no. That the sport was popular is true, but the AFL hasnt fallen to any of the other issues that have affected other sports either. Both Soccer and League have completely redone their governance structures since 2005 (Soccer in 2005, the NRL in 2011).

Gillon Mclachlan for example has been involved in every rights negotiation since 1999. The tv rights in 1999 were 40m a year, and prior to this the AFL and NRL were neck and neck rights and ratings wise.

The fact that these rights have increased massively in value ahead of every other code is testament to the negotiating skills of the people in charge, not anyone no longer with the league - and bear in mind there has not been a matching increase in tv ratings until the advent of streaming. The decision not to overextend the rights in 2020 when they went for just 2 years instead of the 7 that the NRL did is a classic example of excellent decision making.

Other key calls were the decision to take Docklands in 2017 instead of waiting to 2025 (which enabled the AFL to proceed confidently during COVID) and the decision to start the womens competition 4 years before anyone thought it was going to happen.

The fact there hasnt been a major club or player revolt against the administration despite the massive financial success of the league is testament to the leadership and planning of each administration.

Soccer, Union and League have all shown what happens when you have inept leadership. Look at League, which despite its popularity has issues with clubs and players every couple of years, hasnt really been able to grow its attendance - and is well short of the 20,000 target predicted for 2017! - had no assets until this year, until recently couldnt even get loans, evidently cant actually negotiate stadium deals properly, and has had a similar number of CEOs (4) and Chairmen (3) since the ARLC was formed in 2012 to the AFL has had since the Commission was formed in 1993. (4 & 4).

With that, much of the leagues stability is owed to the formation of the Commission in 1993, and the franchise agreements all clubs signed after the Macedon summit in 1985 (the Elliot meeting where a breakaway league was proposed), and the granting of perrenial licenses, instead of periodic ones (an issue that continues to come up in Rugby League).

Good post; the only thing I’d take issue with is you saying AFLW getting the jump on other women’s comps was a good thing.

You may well be proved right but I’d say the current very low attendance figures for the finals suggest the most charitable view of AFLW is it’s a work in progress.

 

[The_Wookie]

You may well be proved right but I’d say the current very low attendance figures for the finals suggest the most charitable view of AFLW is it’s a work in progress.

It is indeed a work in progress - but it was never supposed to be an instant success at the professional level, but more of a "if you can see it, you can aspire to be it" thing. The grassroots data speaks for itself. That the league has chronically mismanaged it since it was formed hasnt helped.

 

[Gigantor]

Samoa has beaten England in the semi final of the Rugby League world cup to reach the final.
This is a proud moment for the nation of Samoa and puts the Samoans amongst the elite of international rugby league.
They are now a force in rugby league, and could become the leading nation in rugby league in years to come.

 

[Walshawk]

Samoa has beaten England in the semi final of the Rugby League world cup to reach the final.
This is a proud moment for the nation of Samoa and puts the Samoans amongst the elite of international rugby league.
They are now a force in rugby league, and could become the leading nation in rugby league in years to come.

The NRL needs this. The Pacific Islands are their main source of players. More than half of the new players added to NRL lists each year are Islanders.

 

[Kwality]

The multitude of World Cup competitions being played at the same time do nothing for the sports following by genuine sports fans:

New Zealand win Women's Rugby World Cup in thrilling match against England​

New Zealand win thrilling Rugby World Cup final over England

The Black Ferns claim their sixth women's Rugby World Cup title after edging a thrilling match against 14-player England in front of a record 42,579 fans at Eden Park.

www.abc.net.au

New Zealand has beaten England in an extraordinary Rugby World Cup final in front of a record 42,579 at Auckland's Eden Park.

Samoa's trip to their first Rugby League World Cup final caps a miracle resurrection​

Samoa's trip to their first Rugby League World Cup final caps a miracle resurrection

After winning one of the greatest World Cup matches ever played, Samoa's World Cup revival is almost complete as it prepares for its first final.

www.abc.net.au

It is the first time they've qualified for a World Cup final in either rugby code. They are just the fifth team to do so and the first new country to make it since 1988. Given they didn't win a game in the 2017 tournament, it's one of the great achievements in the history of Test football.

 

[Bjo187]

The multitude of World Cup competitions being played at the same time do nothing for the sports following by genuine sports fans:

New Zealand win Women's Rugby World Cup in thrilling match against England​

New Zealand win thrilling Rugby World Cup final over England

The Black Ferns claim their sixth women's Rugby World Cup title after edging a thrilling match against 14-player England in front of a record 42,579 fans at Eden Park.

www.abc.net.au

New Zealand has beaten England in an extraordinary Rugby World Cup final in front of a record 42,579 at Auckland's Eden Park.

Samoa's trip to their first Rugby League World Cup final caps a miracle resurrection​

Samoa's trip to their first Rugby League World Cup final caps a miracle resurrection

After winning one of the greatest World Cup matches ever played, Samoa's World Cup revival is almost complete as it prepares for its first final.

www.abc.net.au

It is the first time they've qualified for a World Cup final in either rugby code. They are just the fifth team to do so and the first new country to make it since 1988. Given they didn't win a game in the 2017 tournament, it's one of the great achievements in the history of Test football.

Makes it a bit easier when your team is filled with blokes that are Australians playing for Samoa. Wouldn't be competitive otherwise.

 

[Aucklander]

The multitude of World Cup competitions being played at the same time do nothing for the sports following by genuine sports fans:

New Zealand win Women's Rugby World Cup in thrilling match against England​

New Zealand win thrilling Rugby World Cup final over England

The Black Ferns claim their sixth women's Rugby World Cup title after edging a thrilling match against 14-player England in front of a record 42,579 fans at Eden Park.

www.abc.net.au

New Zealand has beaten England in an extraordinary Rugby World Cup final in front of a record 42,579 at Auckland's Eden Park.

Samoa's trip to their first Rugby League World Cup final caps a miracle resurrection​

Samoa's trip to their first Rugby League World Cup final caps a miracle resurrection

After winning one of the greatest World Cup matches ever played, Samoa's World Cup revival is almost complete as it prepares for its first final.

www.abc.net.au

It is the first time they've qualified for a World Cup final in either rugby code. They are just the fifth team to do so and the first new country to make it since 1988. Given they didn't win a game in the 2017 tournament, it's one of the great achievements in the history of Test football.

I've been able to watch both when work allows it. Yesterday's game was amazing. England was down to 14 players for over 60 minutes and still could've snatched it at the end. An amazing atmosphere too.

Samoa was brilliant this morning. An amazing turnaround from game 1 of this tournament. A pity NZ couldn't make it, but the draw was always set up for an Australia v England final.

 

[weewilly]

The NRL needs this. The Pacific Islands are their main source of players. More than half of the new players added to NRL lists each year are Islanders.

Rugby League and now Rugby Union(half the Wallabies are Islanders) would die from a lack of talented players if they did not have the Pacific Islanders play their games.
I wonder where these sports will be in 20 years esp with the concussion problems that are inherent in their game!

 

[The_Wookie]

A-league

Code	Week	Day	Date	Time	Home	Away	Venue	Crowd	Capacity	%Capacity
ALM	6	Fri	11/11	1915	Adelaide	Melbourne Victory	Coopers Stadium	13,504	16,500	81.84%
ALM	6	Sat	12/11	1630	Newcastle	Melbourne City	McDonald Jones	7,234	30,000	24.11%
ALM	6	Sat	12/11	1915	Sydney	Western Sydney	Allianz Stadium	34,232	42,500	80.55%
ALM	6	Sun	13/11	1230	Wellington	Western United	Sky Stadium	5,203	34,500	15.08%
ALM	6	Sun	13/11	1430	Central Coast	MAcarthur	Central Coast Stadium	6,376	20,059	31.79%
							Total	66,549	143,559	46.36%
							Average	13,310
							Season Total	315,788	1,002,127	31.51%
							Season Average	9,288

WNBL

Code	Week	Day	Date	Time	Home	Away	Venue	Crowd	Capacity	%Capacity
WNBL	2	Wed	9/11	1835	Southside	Melbourne	State Basketball Centre	2,050	3,200	64.06%
WNBL	2	Fri	11/11	1905	Townsville	Adelaide	Townsville Entertainment Centre	1,891	5,257	35.97%
WNBL	2	Satt	12/11	1905	Bendigo	Sydney	Red Energy Arena	461	4,000	11.53%
WNBL	2	Satt	12/11	1835	Perth	Canberra	Bendat Basketball centre	730	2,000	36.50%
WNBL	2	Sun	13/1	1505	Melbourne	Adelaide	Melbourne Sports Centre - Parkville	2,856	3,500	81.60%
							Total	7,988	17,957	44.48%
							Average	1,598
							Season Total	12,620	34,114	36.99%
							Season Average	1262

Rugby League World Cup

Code	Round	Date	Day	Time	Home	Away	Venue	Attendance	Capacity	%Capacity
RLWC	SF	11/11	Fri	1945	Australia	New Zealand	Elland Road	28,113	37,890	74.20%
RLWC	SF	12/11	Sat	1430	England	Samoa	Emirates Stadium	40,489	60,260	67.19%
							Semi Finals Total	68602	98150	69.90%
							Semi Finals Average	34,301

AFLW

Finals
Code	Round	Date	Day	Time	Home	Away	Venue	Attendance	Capacity
AFLW	FW2	12/11	Sat	1340	Richmond	North Melbourne	Swinbourne Centre	2,439	2,800
AFLW	FW2	12/11	Sat	1540	Adelaide	Collingwood	Wigan Oval	2,476	10,000
							Finals Total	19,023	67,500
							Finals Average	3,171
							Season Total	250,411	1,423,521
							Season Average	2,608

T20 World Cup

Code	Round	Date	Day	Time	Home	Away	Venue	Attendance	Capacity	%Capacity
ICC	Semi Final	10/11	Thu	1430	India	England	Adelaide Oval	40,094	47,000	85.31%
ICC	Semi Final	9/11	Fri	1830	NZ	Pakistan	SCG	36,443	42,500	85.75%

ABL

2022-2023 ABL Season
Code	Week	Date	Day	Time	Home	Away	Venue	Attendance	Capacity	%Capacity
ABL	1	10/11	Thu	1830	Bluesox	Cavalry	Narrabundah Ballpark	423	2250	19%
ABL	1	10/11	Thu	1800	Tuatara	Bandits	Viticon Stadium	625	4000	16%
ABL	1	11/11	Fri	1830	Bluesox	Cavalry	Narrabundah Ballpark	562	2250	25%
ABL	1	11/11	Fri	1900	Korea	Aces	Melbourne Ballpark	1297	5000	26%
ABL	1	11/11	Fri	1800	Tuatara	Bandits	Viticon Stadium	1008	4000	25%
ABL	1	11/11	Fri	1900	Giants	Heat	Empire Ballpark	1195	4500	27%
ABL	1	12/11	Sat	1800	Bluesox	Cavalry	Narrabundah Ballpark	675	2250	30%
ABL	1	12/11	Sat	1600	Giants	Heat	Empire Ballpark
ABL	1	12/11	Sat	1900	Giants	Heat	Empire Ballpark
ABL	1	12/11	Sat	1600	Korea	Aces	Melbourne Ballpark	1300	5000	26%
ABL	1	12/11	Sat	1400	Tuatara	Bandits	Viticon Stadium	487	4000	12%
ABL	1	13/11	Sun	1345	Bluesox	Cavlary	Narrabundah Ballpark	305	2250	14%
ABL	1	13/11	Sun	1400	Tuatara	Bandits	Viticon Stadium	487	4000	12%
ABL	1	13/11	Sun	1600	Giants	Heat	Empire Ballpark
ABL	1	13/11	Sun	1600	Korea	Aces	Melbourne Ballpark	1300	5000	26%
ABL	1	13/11	Sun	1345	Korea	Aces	Melbourne Ballpark	839	5000	17%
							Round Total	10503	49500	21%
							Average	808

 

[Kwality]

Good get for the NBL & Mr Kestelman:
'Larry Kestelman’s National Basketball League will this week sign a new broadcast deal with streaming giant DAZN to show the competition in Europe, adding to the 43 markets it is already shown in.
The NBL, which is enjoying an uplift in television ratings and crowds in Australia this season, is growing its audiences by about 30 per cent annually, according to Mr Kestelman – a figure he says is a minimum standard for the emerging competition.'

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/larry-kestelman-clinches-international-nbl-broadcast-deal/news-story/a9588cb6e158e5a73b738799e051a60b

 

[Kwality]

SBS unveils new show World Cup Daily in time for FIFA 2022

As the world counts down one week until the 2022 FIFA World Cup, SBS has unveiled its new daily show World Cup Daily as the exclusive free-to-air Australian broadcaster of the tournament.Available on SBS and SBS On Demand, World Cup Daily will include highlights, previews, analysis, exclusive...

mumbrella.com.au

'As the world counts down one week until the 2022 FIFA World Cup, SBS has unveiled its new daily show World Cup Daily as the exclusive free-to-air Australian broadcaster of the tournament.

Available on SBS and SBS On Demand, World Cup Daily will include highlights, previews, analysis, exclusive interviews, and star guests, plus the latest news, views, and on-the-ground reactions from every match.'


The FIFA World Cup 2022 kicks off on 21 November running until 19 December, live and free on SBS and SBS On Demand. World Cup Daily commences on 22 November.

 

[Walshawk]

SBS unveils new show World Cup Daily in time for FIFA 2022

As the world counts down one week until the 2022 FIFA World Cup, SBS has unveiled its new daily show World Cup Daily as the exclusive free-to-air Australian broadcaster of the tournament.Available on SBS and SBS On Demand, World Cup Daily will include highlights, previews, analysis, exclusive...

mumbrella.com.au

'As the world counts down one week until the 2022 FIFA World Cup, SBS has unveiled its new daily show World Cup Daily as the exclusive free-to-air Australian broadcaster of the tournament.

Available on SBS and SBS On Demand, World Cup Daily will include highlights, previews, analysis, exclusive interviews, and star guests, plus the latest news, views, and on-the-ground reactions from every match.'


The FIFA World Cup 2022 kicks off on 21 November running until 19 December, live and free on SBS and SBS On Demand. World Cup Daily commences on 22 November.

Watch as the AFLW puts their GF up against Australia‘s first game on Sat 26/11. That will cap off a season of brilliant scheduling.

 

[I Remember Bluey]

Climate change is another headache for cricket, says ICC chair

A cricket World Cup that began with controversy over the carbon footprint of sponsors has ended with an admission on climate change.

www.theage.com.au

Total crowds of more than 750,000 for the World Cup were driven largely by huge south Asian turnouts, including a trio of games at the MCG – India v Pakistan, India v Zimbabwe, and England v Pakistan in the final – that all drew more than 80,000 people. Barclay said this pulling power had to be a consideration in terms of rights distributions.

 

[The_Wookie]

Full World Cup Attendance

2022 T20 World Cup
Code	Round	Date	Day	Time	Home	Away	Venue	Attendance	Capacity	%Capacity
ICC	Group	16/10	Sun	1500	Sri Lanka	Namibia	Kardinia Park	16,407	18,000	91.15%
ICC	Group	16/10	Sun	1900	UAE	Netherlands	Kardinia Park	16,407	18,000	91.15%
ICC	Group	17/10	Mon	1500	West Indies	Scotland	Bellerive Oval	2,135	15,000	14.23%
ICC	Group	17/10	Mon	1830	Zimbabwe	Ireland	Bellerive Oval	2,135	15,000	14.23%
ICC	Group	18/10	Tue	1430	Namibia	Netherlands	Kardinia Park	4,545	18,000	25.25%
ICC	Group	18/10	Tue	1830	Sri Lanka	UAE	Kardinia Park	4,545	18,000	25.25%
ICC	Group	19/10	Wed	1430	Scotland	Ireland	Bellerive Oval	2,940	15,000	19.60%
ICC	Group	19/10	Wed	1830	West Indies	Zimbabwe	Bellerive Oval	2,940	15,000	19.60%
ICC	Group	20/10	Thu	1430	Netherlands	Sri Lanka	Kardinia Park	4,294	18,000	23.86%
ICC	Group	20/10	Thu	1830	Naminia	UAE	Kardinia Park	4,294	18,000	23.86%
ICC	Group	21/10	Fri	1500	Ireland	West Indies	Bellerive Oval	2,960	15,000	19.73%
ICC	Group	21/10	Fri	1830	Scotland	Zimbabwe	Bellerive Oval	2,960	15,000	19.73%
							Total	33,281	99,000	33.62%
								5,547
Code	Round	Date	Day	Time	Home	Away	Venue	Attendance	Capacity	%Capacity
ICC	Super 12	22/10	Sat	1730	Australia	NZ	SCG	34,756	42,500	81.78%
ICC	Super 12	22/10	Sat	2130	England	Afghanistan	Optus Stadium	8,405	52,500	16.01%
ICC	Super 12	23/10	Sun	1500	Ireland	Sri Lanka	Bellerive Oval	2,720	15,000	18.13%
ICC	Super 12	23/10	Sun	1900	India	Pakistan	MCG	90,293	94,000	96.06%
ICC	Super 12	24/10	Mon	1500	Bangladesh	Netherlands	Bellerive Oval	2,585	15,000	17.23%
ICC	Super 12	24/10	Mon	1900	Zimbabwe	South Africa	Bellerive Oval	2,585	15,000	17.23%
ICC	Super 12	25/10	Tue	1900	Sri Lanka	Australia	Optus Stadium	25,061	52,500	47.74%
ICC	Super 12	26/10	Wed	1500	Ireland	England	MCG	11,369	94,000	12.09%
ICC	Super 12	26/10	Wed	1900	Afghanistan	NZ	MCG	11,369	94,000	12.09%
ICC	Super 12	27/10	Thu	1810	India	Netherlands	SCG	36,426	42,500	85.71%
	Super 12	27/10	Thu		South Africa	Bangladesh	SCGq	36,426	42,500	85.71%
ICC	Super 12	27/10	Thu	1900	Zimbabwe	Pakistan	Optus Stadium	8,006	52,500	15.25%
ICC	Super 12	28/10	Fri	1500	Afghanistan	NZ	MCG	37,565	94,000	39.96%
ICC	Super 12	28/10	Fri	1900	Australia	England	MCG	37,565	94,000	39.96%
ICC	Super 12	29/10	Sat	1900	NZ	Sri Lanka	SCG	15,121	42,500	35.58%
ICC	Super 12	30/10	Sun	1300	Bangladesh	Zimbabwe	Gabba	5,520	37,000	14.92%
ICC	Super 12	30/10	Sun	1500	Netherlands	Pakistan	Optus Stadium	44,251	52,500	84.29%
ICC	Super 12	30/10	Sun	1900	India	South Africa	Optus Stadium	44,251	52,500	84.29%
ICC	Super 12	31/10	Mon	1800	Australia	Ireland	Gabba	18,869	37,000	51.00%
ICC	Super 12	1/11	Tue	1400	Afghanistan	Sri Lanka	Gabba	22,547	37,000	60.94%
ICC	Super 12	1/11	Tue	1800	England	NZ	Gabba	22,547	37,000	60.94%
ICC	Super 12	2/11	Wed	1430	Zimbabwe	Netherlands	Adelaide Oval	29,302	47,000	62.34%
ICC	Super 12	2/11	Wed	1830	India	Bangladesh	Adelaide Oval	29,302	47,000	62.34%
ICC	Super 12	3/11	Thu	1900	Pakistan	South Africa	SCG	30,351	42,500	71.41%
ICC	Super 12	4/11	Fri		New Zealand	Ireland	Adelaide Oval	18,762	37,000	50.71%
ICC	Super 12	4/11	Fri		Australia	Afghanistan	Adelaide Oval	18,762	37,000	50.71%
ICC	Super 12	5/11	Sat	1900	Sri Lanka	England	SCG	24,250	42,500	57.06%
ICC	Super 12	6/11	Sun	1030	South Africa	Netherlands	Adelaide Oval	12,741	47,000	27.11%
ICC	Super 12	6/11	Sun	1430	Pakistan	Bangladesh	Adelaide Oval	12,741	47,000	27.11%
ICC	Super 12	6/11	Sun	1830	Zimbabwe	India	MCG	82,507	94,000	87.77%
							Total (S12)	561,407	1,070,500	52.44%
							Average (S12)	25899
Code	Round	Date	Day	Time	Home	Away	Venue	Attendance	Capacity	%Capacity
ICC	Semi Final	10/11	Thu	1430	India	England	Adelaide Oval	40,094	47,000	85.31%
ICC	Semi Final	9/11	Fri	1830	NZ	Pakistan	SCG	36,443	42,500	85.75%
ICC	Final	13/11	Sun	1830	England	Pakistan	MCG	80,492	94,000	85.63%
							Total (Finals)	157,029	183,500	85.57%
							Average (Finals)	52343
							Total	751,717	1,353,000	55.56%
							Average	16,705

 

[The_Wookie]

 

[Gigantor]

He's obviously going for the clicks, and he has succeeded, well played.
Strange that he would excuse the destruction of seats.
I think we would all agree that a bunch of young men being make-believe ultras and parroting chants with English accents is not a big deal or huge concern, the problem occurs when a significant number want to mark themselves out as fair dinkum ultras, so they are goiing to do stuff that makes them stand out from the make-believe ultras parroting chants with English accents.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Comparing one example from each code is hardly scientific.

As always, everyone falls back to personal experience. In my case, I've never been to an A-League game, so I can't comment, but I've been to hundreds of Swans and Giants games with my kids (and my elderly parents when they were still alive), and I've never seen anything that troubled me.

My instinct, though, is that a game without very much cathartic release via the scoring of goals (and the subsequent staging that inevitably flows on from that difficulty of goal scoring), a game without much cathartic release in the form of on-field contact, is, how shall we say this... maybe going to lead spectators to think up other forms of diversion for themselves.

 

[weewilly]

Comparing one example from each code is hardly scientific.

As always, everyone falls back to personal experience. In my case, I've never been to an A-League game, so I can't comment, but I've been to hundreds of Swans and Giants games with my kids (and my elderly parents when they were still alive), and I've never seen anything that troubled me.

My instinct, though, is that a game without very much cathartic release via the scoring of goals (and the subsequent staging that inevitably flows on from that difficulty of goal scoring), a game without much cathartic release in the form of on-field contact, is, how shall we say this... maybe going to lead spectators to think up other forms of diversion for themselves.

Websters article was just blatant A League BS spin.
When the pathetic A League consistently get the massive crowds the AFL get week in week out then they can have a go!

Some of their crowds so far this season have been 5000 or below and they claim to be a "Premier" soccer league!

 

[weewilly]

Looks like the writing might be on the wall for the struggling ODI format with another half full crowd against England today at the SCG must be a big worry for CA and no FTA TV is also a problem if they want to spark some interest in these matches.!

 

[Kwality]

Websters article was just blatant A League BS spin.
When the pathetic A League consistently get the massive crowds the AFL get week in week out then they can have a go!

Some of their crowds so far this season have been 5000 or below and they claim to be a "Premier" soccer league!

'blatant A League BS spin':

We all know the A-League isnt premier anything - similar to country footy in the AFL range of comps, e.g the good kids dont play there, see the Cadman kid who will be #1 in the AFL draft.