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I'm speaking of the expectation that AFL should or would ever go international is an unrealistic expectation.

The AFL was serious about a N.Z. side at one stage but apart from that, almost all major leagues are domestic.
I often hear leaguies say 'well if it's so good why is it only popular in Australia,

Australian Football is played regularly in competitions in over 55 countries - so there is a measure of populariy.
Even American football isn't played professionaly outside of the u.s

Australian football is played more widely than American Football, Canadian football, Gaelic Football and r.l. but some of those codes do have significant hotspots.
 
There's no football in "touch" or keepings off.
In fact, there's very little rugby in "touch"


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Touch footy is pretty boring - to play and to watch.

I'd much rather play "force 'em backs", at least you get to kick a footy, but if you're playing with rugger buggers, most of them can't kick a footy over a jam tin.

Then you get a natural sportsman that has never kicked an Aussie Rules footy & can dropkick the thing 45+ metres.
 
Then you get a natural sportsman that has never kicked an Aussie Rules footy & can dropkick the thing 45+ metres.

Yeh, sure mate.
Big difference between a real leather footy and rubber super ball.
I'd back a 85m Bernie Quinlan drop kick over anything the very best rugger bugger can do (and there's only one in a whole squad of players whose got any idea, the rest kick a footy worse than your average 15 year old Melbourne girl).
 
Yeh, sure mate.
Big difference between a real leather footy and rubber super ball.
I'd back a 85m Bernie Quinlan drop kick over anything the very best rugger bugger can do (and there's only one in a whole squad of players whose got any idea, the rest kick a footy worse than your average 15 year old Melbourne girl).

Actually the guy was a soccer/cricket player. An active company social club so he came along when we played footy & cricket. Shield player.
He could play any sport.
Bernie 85m you say ... :'(
 

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It's usually a case of the great aussie cultural cringe.
Nowhere more so than the world of Aust soccer zealots.

A truly unique sport evolving in a country and attracting a domestic following that is quite extraordinary by any international standard, counts for nothing, it seems.

The only thing that counts towards Australian pride is occasional moderate success in the soccer World Cup. THAT’S when we show the world!!
 
Also used by some to constantly highlight, point out and get off on the fact that AFL is only popular in Australia and no where else like other sports.

Also used by some to constantly highlight, point out and get off on the fact that AFL is only spectacularly popular in Australia and considerably less popular outside it's diaspora like other most other sports.
 
Yeh, sure mate.
Big difference between a real leather footy and rubber super ball.
I'd back a 85m Bernie Quinlan drop kick over anything the very best rugger bugger can do (and there's only one in a whole squad of players whose got any idea, the rest kick a footy worse than your average 15 year old Melbourne girl).

Rugby union player did ok on the Superkick comp a couple of years ago.
 
Rugby union player did ok on the Superkick comp a couple of years ago.

I've met the occasional full back who has a decent torp on him.
But chances are, any rugger bugger you give a leather footy too, they will embarass themselves kicking against your average 15 year old girl from Melbourne.
 

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I've met the occasional full back who has a decent torp on him.
But chances are, any rugger bugger you give a leather footy too, they will embarass themselves kicking against your average 15 year old girl from Melbourne.

I played rugby for the school and was given the kicking duties because I did play Aussie Rules.
 
I've met the occasional full back who has a decent torp on him.
But chances are, any rugger bugger you give a leather footy too, they will embarass themselves kicking against your average 15 year old girl from Melbourne.
Do you know the difference between a Steeden & a Sherrin:
 
Vlandys “The AFL don’t do things better than us. We will beat them.”




State of the NRL Part II: Peter V’landys special investigation into rugby league’s biggest issues​

Rugby league supremo Peter V’landys has revealed the NRL salary cap is set for a massive increase on the back of record revenue announcements.

The NRL has become a $600 million empire with the governing body on track to post a record profit in excess of $50m - two years after the Covid crisis almost sent League Central bankrupt.

And in another landmark financial development for the sport, all 16 NRL clubs are now running at a profit, including reigning grand-finalists Penrith and Parramatta, who lost a combined $19 million in 2017.

In the second part of a report into the state of the game, ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys and NRL CEO Andrew Abdo have revealed rugby league’s stunning fightback from the brink of bankruptcy to unprecedented financial prosperity.

Such is the growing goldmine, News Corp can reveal the NRL salary cap next season will be at least $11 million, and possibly as high as $11.5m with allowances when CBA negotiations with the RLPA are finalised within the month.

V’landys also outlined the NRL’s 18th-team expansion strategy, bold plans to raid NFL talent in America, and why he will not relent in his high-shot crackdown amid fears the code could be sued over brain-trauma injuries.

“The game’s finances have never been better,” he said.

“It’s important the game is never put in a position where it can’t sustain itself and risks going bankrupt.”

SAVING CLUBS AND SALARY CAPS

There is a well-worn adage in rugby league - football clubs don’t make money.

Just five years ago, NRL clubs were ostensibly in crisis, haemorraghing $60 million collectively. Traditionally, only the Broncos, Melbourne and Souths turned a profit, but this year all 16 clubs are in the black, including the Titans, who were rescued by the NRL in 2015.

The NRL’s new 17th franchise, the Dolphins, has assets of $100 million and will enter the league with the second richest commercial stable at $10m, behind only the Broncos.

The stronger financial bedrock has enabled the NRL to increase the salary cap.

After months of speculation, it can be revealed the 2023 salary cap will be at least $11 million, well above the projected $10.4m - giving rise to the prospect of the NRL’s first $1.5 million player.

“Player payments are going up,” Abdo said. “There will be more athletes with professional contracts for both the NRL and NRLW competitions than ever before.

“We are fully focused on our negotiation with the RLPA over the new CBA. We are really hopeful to reach the end of this month with a pretty exciting deal for stakeholders.

“Our current proposal is for a significant increase in salary cap for both male and female athletes.

“The clubs have never been stronger or more profitable.

“A couple of years ago, the situation was very different for clubs financially. Clubs were making significant losses in aggregate, so it was important to provide a strong financial base for clubs.

“The funds available for distribution have gone up significantly.”

REVENUE RAISING

In the last financial year, the NRL turned over $570 million and announced a $42.8m profit following V’landys’ ruthless cost-cutting exercise at League Central to insulate the sport from the ravages of Covid.

As a result, the NRL is forecasting record numbers. Speaking for the first time about the code’s future financials, V’landys declared the NRL will celebrate a $600 million-plus turnover for the first time in their history.

The NRL’s surplus next season is expected to hit a record $50m, eclipsing the previous benchmarks of $45.3m (2013) and $47.1m, set in 2018 under the leadership of then-NRL boss Todd Greenberg.

“We will be announcing record figures,” V’landys said.

“Our revenue will be in excess of $600 million and we have never reached those heights before.

“I’m proud that our cost structure is down to 23 per cent compared to the AFL’s 47 per cent, which means we are doing things in a cost-effective way at the NRL and, in turn, distributing more money to players, coaches and the clubs.

“The haters out there are trying to say, ‘You are saving money because you aren’t putting money into participation’, but we are actually investing more money in participation.

ON DEATH’S DOOR

The NRL has copped brickbats for buying Brisbane hotel Gambaros in July, but for V’landys, it was the first step in constructing an investment portfolio to future-proof the code.

When Covid struck in 2020, putting the Telstra Premiership on ice for two months, it was a kick up the pants for a governing body that had blown billions from previous broadcast deals.

V’landys revealed how close the NRL came to going broke.

“In reality, we were two months away during Covid from being insolvent,” he said.

“We couldn’t pay our debts and if we couldn’t borrow money, what would we have done?

“We had nothing to lean on.

“Without any assets to support us, the NRL would have gone broke and we wouldn’t have had a competition.

“Gambaros finally gives us an asset and from there, we want at least $100 million in assets so that the game is never put in a position where it can’t sustain itself and risks going bankrupt.

“The turnaround we have been able to achieve financially has been remarkable.

“People just take it for granted, but it’s been bloody hard work.”

BROADCAST BUNGLE

There is a view the AFL destroyed the NRL in TV rights broadcasting negotiations.

The AFL recently announced a seven-year, $4.5 billion deal between 2025-31, but V’landys scoffed at suggestions the NRL undervalued their product with Fox and Channel 9.

“It’s nonsense, the time periods (of the AFL and NRL broadcasting deals) are different for a start,” he said.

“The majority of the money they (the AFL) are getting is between 2027-31 ... we haven’t done a deal for those years yet, so how can people compare something when there is nothing to compare at the moment?

“People don’t understand that the AFL took a bigger cut than what we did during Covid from a broadcasting perspective.

“When the time is right, we will be looking at increasing our broadcast value.

“The AFL don’t do things better than us. We will beat them.”

 
Vlandys “The AFL don’t do things better than us. We will beat them.”




State of the NRL Part II: Peter V’landys special investigation into rugby league’s biggest issues​

Rugby league supremo Peter V’landys has revealed the NRL salary cap is set for a massive increase on the back of record revenue announcements.

The NRL has become a $600 million empire with the governing body on track to post a record profit in excess of $50m - two years after the Covid crisis almost sent League Central bankrupt.

And in another landmark financial development for the sport, all 16 NRL clubs are now running at a profit, including reigning grand-finalists Penrith and Parramatta, who lost a combined $19 million in 2017.

In the second part of a report into the state of the game, ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys and NRL CEO Andrew Abdo have revealed rugby league’s stunning fightback from the brink of bankruptcy to unprecedented financial prosperity.

Such is the growing goldmine, News Corp can reveal the NRL salary cap next season will be at least $11 million, and possibly as high as $11.5m with allowances when CBA negotiations with the RLPA are finalised within the month.

V’landys also outlined the NRL’s 18th-team expansion strategy, bold plans to raid NFL talent in America, and why he will not relent in his high-shot crackdown amid fears the code could be sued over brain-trauma injuries.

“The game’s finances have never been better,” he said.

“It’s important the game is never put in a position where it can’t sustain itself and risks going bankrupt.”

SAVING CLUBS AND SALARY CAPS

There is a well-worn adage in rugby league - football clubs don’t make money.

Just five years ago, NRL clubs were ostensibly in crisis, haemorraghing $60 million collectively. Traditionally, only the Broncos, Melbourne and Souths turned a profit, but this year all 16 clubs are in the black, including the Titans, who were rescued by the NRL in 2015.

The NRL’s new 17th franchise, the Dolphins, has assets of $100 million and will enter the league with the second richest commercial stable at $10m, behind only the Broncos.

The stronger financial bedrock has enabled the NRL to increase the salary cap.

After months of speculation, it can be revealed the 2023 salary cap will be at least $11 million, well above the projected $10.4m - giving rise to the prospect of the NRL’s first $1.5 million player.

“Player payments are going up,” Abdo said. “There will be more athletes with professional contracts for both the NRL and NRLW competitions than ever before.

“We are fully focused on our negotiation with the RLPA over the new CBA. We are really hopeful to reach the end of this month with a pretty exciting deal for stakeholders.

“Our current proposal is for a significant increase in salary cap for both male and female athletes.

“The clubs have never been stronger or more profitable.

“A couple of years ago, the situation was very different for clubs financially. Clubs were making significant losses in aggregate, so it was important to provide a strong financial base for clubs.

“The funds available for distribution have gone up significantly.”

REVENUE RAISING

In the last financial year, the NRL turned over $570 million and announced a $42.8m profit following V’landys’ ruthless cost-cutting exercise at League Central to insulate the sport from the ravages of Covid.

As a result, the NRL is forecasting record numbers. Speaking for the first time about the code’s future financials, V’landys declared the NRL will celebrate a $600 million-plus turnover for the first time in their history.

The NRL’s surplus next season is expected to hit a record $50m, eclipsing the previous benchmarks of $45.3m (2013) and $47.1m, set in 2018 under the leadership of then-NRL boss Todd Greenberg.

“We will be announcing record figures,” V’landys said.

“Our revenue will be in excess of $600 million and we have never reached those heights before.

“I’m proud that our cost structure is down to 23 per cent compared to the AFL’s 47 per cent, which means we are doing things in a cost-effective way at the NRL and, in turn, distributing more money to players, coaches and the clubs.

“The haters out there are trying to say, ‘You are saving money because you aren’t putting money into participation’, but we are actually investing more money in participation.

ON DEATH’S DOOR

The NRL has copped brickbats for buying Brisbane hotel Gambaros in July, but for V’landys, it was the first step in constructing an investment portfolio to future-proof the code.

When Covid struck in 2020, putting the Telstra Premiership on ice for two months, it was a kick up the pants for a governing body that had blown billions from previous broadcast deals.

V’landys revealed how close the NRL came to going broke.

“In reality, we were two months away during Covid from being insolvent,” he said.

“We couldn’t pay our debts and if we couldn’t borrow money, what would we have done?

“We had nothing to lean on.

“Without any assets to support us, the NRL would have gone broke and we wouldn’t have had a competition.

“Gambaros finally gives us an asset and from there, we want at least $100 million in assets so that the game is never put in a position where it can’t sustain itself and risks going bankrupt.

“The turnaround we have been able to achieve financially has been remarkable.

“People just take it for granted, but it’s been bloody hard work.”

BROADCAST BUNGLE

There is a view the AFL destroyed the NRL in TV rights broadcasting negotiations.

The AFL recently announced a seven-year, $4.5 billion deal between 2025-31, but V’landys scoffed at suggestions the NRL undervalued their product with Fox and Channel 9.

“It’s nonsense, the time periods (of the AFL and NRL broadcasting deals) are different for a start,” he said.

“The majority of the money they (the AFL) are getting is between 2027-31 ... we haven’t done a deal for those years yet, so how can people compare something when there is nothing to compare at the moment?

“People don’t understand that the AFL took a bigger cut than what we did during Covid from a broadcasting perspective.

“When the time is right, we will be looking at increasing our broadcast value.

“The AFL don’t do things better than us. We will beat them.”


I read that article today, it’s fascinating and raises so many interesting points.

V’landys has always been very AFL conscious. He has always appeared to be that type of rugby, anti Victorian figure with a chip on his shoulder. He’s done a good job at the NRL: Led it well through and out of covid, saved the game from bankruptcy, been instrumental in reforming rules to open up the game (but like AFL).

However, he’s certainly not delivered the optimal commercial result from its broadcasters, it’s largest revenue source. He arguably locked in its current rights deals at a time when he thought security was paramount, when in fact if he held out he’d have achieved more $$’s. His test will be the next deal..

The Clubs are financially stronger, more member focussed and have improved their financial results on lower cost based (like the AFL Clubs out of covid). The article notes new franchise The Dolphins will have assets of $100M, presumedly relating to a Leagues Club operation somewhere.

The next 5 years critical. He needs to achieve a much improved broadcast deal to unlock necessary investment in Stadiums, game participation and community programs to get kids in the sport. If he can’t do this, the AFL will continue to slowly and quietly (sort of) creep into its heartland with great strategic plays like the GABBA redevelopment, kids participation and greater reach.
 
I read that article today, it’s fascinating and raises so many interesting points.

V’landys has always been very AFL conscious. He has always appeared to be that type of rugby, anti Victorian figure with a chip on his shoulder. He’s done a good job at the NRL: Led it well through and out of covid, saved the game from bankruptcy, been instrumental in reforming rules to open up the game (but like AFL).

However, he’s certainly not delivered the optimal commercial result from its broadcasters, it’s largest revenue source. He arguably locked in its current rights deals at a time when he thought security was paramount, when in fact if he held out he’d have achieved more $$’s. His test will be the next deal..

The Clubs are financially stronger, more member focussed and have improved their financial results on lower cost based (like the AFL Clubs out of covid). The article notes new franchise The Dolphins will have assets of $100M, presumedly relating to a Leagues Club operation somewhere.

The next 5 years critical. He needs to achieve a much improved broadcast deal to unlock necessary investment in Stadiums, game participation and community programs to get kids in the sport. If he can’t do this, the AFL will continue to slowly and quietly (sort of) creep into its heartland with great strategic plays like the GABBA redevelopment, kids participation and greater reach.

This is the second article in the Telegraph that aims to take the heat of Vlandys for his broadcast deal.

Here the problems
  • the NRL wasnt bankrupt, and wasnt close to bankrupt. He didnt save it from bankruptcy. It did lack in assets so good on him for getting them to buy a bar.
  • As far as Im aware the NRL got hit for more than the AFL did in the broadcast rights reductions fo 2020-2022.
  • His extended broadcast deal and his justifications for it are both for crap.
  • He ignores the fact - or just doesnt know - that unlike the NRL who only offer distribiutions to the NRSWRL and QRL, the AFL actually operate the VFL and TAC Cup (or whatever its called now) and those costs are also part of the AFLs operations (not to mention driectly operating AFL Tasmania/Queenland/NT and NSW/ACT). The AFL also centralises other costs and distributes outward from centralised revenues. Unlike the NRL, the AFL directly funds development and Auskick. While costs no doubt could be reduced at HQ, the AFL would have significantly greater costs to begin with.
 
Vlandys “The AFL don’t do things better than us. We will beat them.”




State of the NRL Part II: Peter V’landys special investigation into rugby league’s biggest issues​

Rugby league supremo Peter V’landys has revealed the NRL salary cap is set for a massive increase on the back of record revenue announcements.

The NRL has become a $600 million empire with the governing body on track to post a record profit in excess of $50m - two years after the Covid crisis almost sent League Central bankrupt.

And in another landmark financial development for the sport, all 16 NRL clubs are now running at a profit, including reigning grand-finalists Penrith and Parramatta, who lost a combined $19 million in 2017.

In the second part of a report into the state of the game, ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys and NRL CEO Andrew Abdo have revealed rugby league’s stunning fightback from the brink of bankruptcy to unprecedented financial prosperity.

Such is the growing goldmine, News Corp can reveal the NRL salary cap next season will be at least $11 million, and possibly as high as $11.5m with allowances when CBA negotiations with the RLPA are finalised within the month.

V’landys also outlined the NRL’s 18th-team expansion strategy, bold plans to raid NFL talent in America, and why he will not relent in his high-shot crackdown amid fears the code could be sued over brain-trauma injuries.

“The game’s finances have never been better,” he said.

“It’s important the game is never put in a position where it can’t sustain itself and risks going bankrupt.”

SAVING CLUBS AND SALARY CAPS

There is a well-worn adage in rugby league - football clubs don’t make money.

Just five years ago, NRL clubs were ostensibly in crisis, haemorraghing $60 million collectively. Traditionally, only the Broncos, Melbourne and Souths turned a profit, but this year all 16 clubs are in the black, including the Titans, who were rescued by the NRL in 2015.

The NRL’s new 17th franchise, the Dolphins, has assets of $100 million and will enter the league with the second richest commercial stable at $10m, behind only the Broncos.

The stronger financial bedrock has enabled the NRL to increase the salary cap.

After months of speculation, it can be revealed the 2023 salary cap will be at least $11 million, well above the projected $10.4m - giving rise to the prospect of the NRL’s first $1.5 million player.

“Player payments are going up,” Abdo said. “There will be more athletes with professional contracts for both the NRL and NRLW competitions than ever before.

“We are fully focused on our negotiation with the RLPA over the new CBA. We are really hopeful to reach the end of this month with a pretty exciting deal for stakeholders.

“Our current proposal is for a significant increase in salary cap for both male and female athletes.

“The clubs have never been stronger or more profitable.

“A couple of years ago, the situation was very different for clubs financially. Clubs were making significant losses in aggregate, so it was important to provide a strong financial base for clubs.

“The funds available for distribution have gone up significantly.”

REVENUE RAISING

In the last financial year, the NRL turned over $570 million and announced a $42.8m profit following V’landys’ ruthless cost-cutting exercise at League Central to insulate the sport from the ravages of Covid.

As a result, the NRL is forecasting record numbers. Speaking for the first time about the code’s future financials, V’landys declared the NRL will celebrate a $600 million-plus turnover for the first time in their history.

The NRL’s surplus next season is expected to hit a record $50m, eclipsing the previous benchmarks of $45.3m (2013) and $47.1m, set in 2018 under the leadership of then-NRL boss Todd Greenberg.

“We will be announcing record figures,” V’landys said.

“Our revenue will be in excess of $600 million and we have never reached those heights before.

“I’m proud that our cost structure is down to 23 per cent compared to the AFL’s 47 per cent, which means we are doing things in a cost-effective way at the NRL and, in turn, distributing more money to players, coaches and the clubs.

“The haters out there are trying to say, ‘You are saving money because you aren’t putting money into participation’, but we are actually investing more money in participation.

ON DEATH’S DOOR

The NRL has copped brickbats for buying Brisbane hotel Gambaros in July, but for V’landys, it was the first step in constructing an investment portfolio to future-proof the code.

When Covid struck in 2020, putting the Telstra Premiership on ice for two months, it was a kick up the pants for a governing body that had blown billions from previous broadcast deals.

V’landys revealed how close the NRL came to going broke.

“In reality, we were two months away during Covid from being insolvent,” he said.

“We couldn’t pay our debts and if we couldn’t borrow money, what would we have done?

“We had nothing to lean on.

“Without any assets to support us, the NRL would have gone broke and we wouldn’t have had a competition.

“Gambaros finally gives us an asset and from there, we want at least $100 million in assets so that the game is never put in a position where it can’t sustain itself and risks going bankrupt.

“The turnaround we have been able to achieve financially has been remarkable.

“People just take it for granted, but it’s been bloody hard work.”

BROADCAST BUNGLE

There is a view the AFL destroyed the NRL in TV rights broadcasting negotiations.

The AFL recently announced a seven-year, $4.5 billion deal between 2025-31, but V’landys scoffed at suggestions the NRL undervalued their product with Fox and Channel 9.

“It’s nonsense, the time periods (of the AFL and NRL broadcasting deals) are different for a start,” he said.

“The majority of the money they (the AFL) are getting is between 2027-31 ... we haven’t done a deal for those years yet, so how can people compare something when there is nothing to compare at the moment?

“People don’t understand that the AFL took a bigger cut than what we did during Covid from a broadcasting perspective.

“When the time is right, we will be looking at increasing our broadcast value.

“The AFL don’t do things better than us. We will beat them.”


He's on borrowed time. He talks the talk, but can't walk the walk
 
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