List Mgmt. 2022 Trade, Draft, etc thread

[Scythe]

Dory_77 – might be worth pinning this? Gets updated after every move.

 

[matsta1975]

In this context? Which of the below statements do you disagree with:

• Jackson didn't even offer a statement to the dees fans or the club for thanking us for anything. Some sort of acknowledgement would've been good.
• Jackson mentally checked out half way through the season and diminished his trade value each and every week.
• Jackson was dishonest during the draft process. Clearly he was a massive flight risk.

I would be more inclined to say a ripper kid who in his interview promised to give everything for the time he was present.
Luke progressed quicker than expected and became a premiership player early in his career which probably ticked a few boxes from his end.
Also played injured for a fair portion of this year.
In short I would hope Melbourne supporters would remember him as a young kid who came to the other side of the country gave his all and was a key player structurally that delivered a premiership which for most on this forum would have been the first in your lifetime

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

FWIW I agree with Danster that there is no evidence Petty will be a good forward.

 

[danster168]

Sounds like youre positioning yourself squarely on the fence so you can jump off the correct side in the future and say that you were right mate.

me? how am I on the fence? Basically every year is a write off until we bring in a dominant key forward. It makes no difference if we play Spargo at centre half back. If Goodwin thinks that Grundy is the answer to a critical key forward issue then he's lost the plot more than I thought he has.

How long was I correct on ben Brown now? Since about round 3? If the coaches had've actually followed my lead we would've got an extra season of development into JVR as well as probably winning a final. We also wouldn't had traded for Grundy and would've kept pick 27 and taken that to the draft.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

me? how am I on the fence? Basically every year is a write off until we bring in a dominant key forward. It makes no difference if we play Spargo at centre half back. If Goodwin thinks that Grundy is the answer to a critical key forward issue then he's lost the plot more than I thought he has.

How long was I correct on ben Brown now? Since about round 3? If the coaches had've actually followed my lead we would've got an extra season of development into JVR as well as probably winning a final. We also wouldn't had traded for Grundy and would've kept pick 27 and taken that to the draft.

I really cant be bothered going over all the things that we have before.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

FWIW I agree with Danster that there is no evidence Petty will be a good forward.

The best part of Danster's "Petty hasn't spent enough time forward" argument is when he said we should play JVR as a backman after playing him forward for a year in the VFL

 

[booshboy]

 

[Demon13304]

if we don't bring in an answer to Ben Brown I'll be melting all preseason until that spud is eventually off the list.

Petty going forward is based off 5 mins of him playing there. A laughably small sample size. im all for the move but it should be based off several games

Can you please answer which powerful contested Marking forward is on the market though? Mcstay (who's kicked less than Ben Brown btw) and Gunston (who was always going to Brisbane).

Please please answer us this. Everytime someone asks you and Mich0, you guys always avoid this question.

 

[knackers29]

me? how am I on the fence? Basically every year is a write off until we bring in a dominant key forward. It makes no difference if we play Spargo at centre half back. If Goodwin thinks that Grundy is the answer to a critical key forward issue then he's lost the plot more than I thought he has.

How long was I correct on ben Brown now? Since about round 3? If the coaches had've actually followed my lead we would've got an extra season of development into JVR as well as probably winning a final. We also wouldn't had traded for Grundy and would've kept pick 27 and taken that to the draft.

 

[MarcMaverick]

I reckon our back-up is Charlie Spargo

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Charlie Spargo

Age

26

Ht

172cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.7

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

5.3

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.6

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

G

0.0

1star

D

13.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.2

4star

and we'll play Kozzy Pickett as FF and Jake Bowey will take the opposing teams No.1 forward. Am I doing it right?

 

[Headless]

In this context? Which of the below statements do you disagree with:

• Jackson didn't even offer a statement to the dees fans or the club for thanking us for anything. Some sort of acknowledgement would've been good.
• Jackson mentally checked out half way through the season and diminished his trade value each and every week.
• Jackson was dishonest during the draft process. Clearly he was a massive flight risk.

1. Don't know, but will take your word for it.
2. No idea - you'd have to ask him.
3. No idea - you'd have to ask him.

Even if all three hold, why boo him? He's moving jobs for a more appealing offer. Happens all the time. He had a contract with us, fulfilled that contract, and is now moving on. Good luck to him.

 

[I Love Lamb]

I reckon our back-up is Charlie Spargo and we'll play Kozzy Pickett as FF and Jake Bowey will take the opposing teams No.1 forward. Am I doing it right?

Laugh about it now but with Daw, Brown and Weed gone and with Brown and Tmac cooked our depth is pretty limited.
An injury or 2 away from this

 

[stEdy]

"Double Deathriding Dogga and the Dockers 2023 – Brought to you by Scythe94, schmuttt and stEdy"

It has a nice ring to it

I'm here for it

Would like "Double Deathriding Dogga's Dockers" for the DDDD if possible

 

[Daemon]

"Double Deathriding Dogga and the Dockers 2023 – Brought to you by Scythe94, schmuttt and stEdy"

It has a nice ring to it

I want in on this train. The way these rabid Freo supporters have been carrying on in the trade board makes me hope their team falls off an absolute cliff and wins the spoon next year.

 

[Daemon]

me? how am I on the fence? Basically every year is a write off until we bring in a dominant key forward. It makes no difference if we play Spargo at centre half back. If Goodwin thinks that Grundy is the answer to a critical key forward issue then he's lost the plot more than I thought he has.

How long was I correct on ben Brown now? Since about round 3? If the coaches had've actually followed my lead we would've got an extra season of development into JVR as well as probably winning a final. We also wouldn't had traded for Grundy and would've kept pick 27 and taken that to the draft.

Is this where I mention we won a Premiership with dominant key forward Ben Brown? What was your opinion on Ben Brown when we recruited him Nostradamus?

 

[MarcMaverick]

1. Don't know, but will take your word for it.
2. No idea - you'd have to ask him.
3. No idea - you'd have to ask him.

Even if all three hold, why boo him? He's moving jobs for a more appealing offer. Happens all the time. He had a contract with us, fulfilled that contract, and is now moving on. Good luck to him.

I agree that you shouldn't boo him like a jilted ex-lover and that he did his time with us and whilst it sucks that he isn't continuing with us que sera sera etc...

However, it would be in the act of good faith if he came out and thanked us for his time here at least.

 

[mightymouse75]

you'll win enough games at home to finish top 6 minimum.

Maybe..
I think blake acres will also leave a bit of a void.
Time will tell..

 

[danster168]

Can you please answer which powerful contested Marking forward is on the market though? Mcstay (who's kicked less than Ben Brown btw) and Gunston (who was always going to Brisbane).

Please please answer us this. Everytime someone asks you and Mich0, you guys always avoid this question.

Avoiding? I've answered this question a hundred times already. I would've gone to the draft. I would say the majority of key forwards in the first 2 rounds are currently already better than Ben Brown. Cadman, Jefferson, Max Gruzewski etc. And not just a little bit better. Throw into the mix there is probably 100 mature age draftees in the vfl and country leagues that are currently much better than what we have.

Now this is only after we've thrown heaven and earth to get Georgiadis (who I see as a good up and comer that hasn't hit his potential yet) and I would've gone super hard for Zurhaar also. If we're throwing 1.1m a year at Grundy (yes, it's 1.1m a season if he plays for 3 more seasons) then I'd happily throw 850+ at Zurhaar etc. to get the job done. If all else fails, hit the draft. Either way, I'm improving the team. You say Gunston was 'always going to Brisbane'. Well if you offer Gunston a million dollars a season (I'm not recommending this) then he becomes a demon. So if a club really wants a player they can make it happen by over paying. But overpaying is subjective.

You say 'powerful, contested marking forward'. I'm not saying there's one out there but I can assure you that there are many players that are better than our existing key forward group. And not just to single out Brown. It goes for Mcdonald too.

 

[danster168]

Is this where I mention we won a Premiership with dominant key forward Ben Brown? What was your opinion on Ben Brown when we recruited him Nostradamus?

My opinion on Ben Brown has never changed. He was much better in 2021. But still just ok. Nothing remarkable. The end comes quickly for many players and for Brown he's gone from average to horrendous overnight. It's also foolish to use data from 2 seasons ago when we've just had 6 months of relevant football to look at and it should be pretty clear that Brown is a vfl calibre player, at best. Quite possibly vfl reserves. I honestly believe that, I'm not being facetious.

 

[DeesFan]

I feel we should pick swap 13 for 16 and we get Grundy, we keep pick 27 or they just take pick 27

Logan MCDONALD for picks we got from Freo.

 

[danster168]

I feel we should pick swap 13 for 16 and we get Grundy, we keep pick 27 or they just take pick 27

Logan MCDONALD for picks we got from Freo.

yeah, no. can we stop trading further and further away out of the first round. If we're bothering to get grundy, we may as well give them pick 27. There would be nothing worse than having pick 16 and having the player we wanted sniped from us at pick 13,14 or 15.

 

[Crusty Demon]

I originally wanted us to trade up and have a crack at a top talent this year but now think it is going to cost a fortune and still won't get us high enough to nab one of those top 5 options, particularly Cadman.

On Grundy, I am happy to swap 13 for 16 and Grundy instead of pick 27 and then take pick 16 and 27 to the draft.

Yeah outside the top 5 it's a lottery really this year. If we can't get one of those top kids then 16 and 27 isn't too bad plus a future 1st and 2nd in a supposedly much stronger draft. Probably would have rather we gone hard for a Freo player like Young instead of this year's pick 13. It feels like a loss in the trade but it all depends on where Freo finish next year. Hard seeing them finishing lower than 6th. Great young team on the rise. So we're looking at two picks in the teens which is a bit meh tbh.

 

[MarcMaverick]

I feel we should pick swap 13 for 16 and we get Grundy, we keep pick 27 or they just take pick 27

Logan MCDONALD for picks we got from Freo.

In what universe would Logan McDonald come to us:
A) At all and
B) At such a low price

 

[Toump Ass]

I'm with Danster, I don't wanna hear any "but who was available?" baloney, no one is available until you get in their ear and say "come be a legend, win many flags, get more money, endorsements, meet the most beautiful men/women on the planet who will faint at the sight of you just because you're wearing beautiful red and royal blue Melbourne Demons colours, the best sex you ever had and sports cars and premiership glory, we promise!"

Everyone wants to be a Dee, you just gotta convince them, forget this contract shit.

 

[Toump Ass]

Of course Logan McDonald would come to us, who wants to play for a team who make grand finals only to shit their pants, pathetic.

 

[Scythe]

I want in on this train. The way these rabid Freo supporters have been carrying on in the trade board makes me hope their team falls off an absolute cliff and wins the spoon next year.

Done