List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread II

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Key Dates:

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm
Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October
NAB AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm
AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections


Thursday 03 November at 9.00am
AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

NAB AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

2022 NAB AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)

Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)

2022 NAB AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
NAB AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[tiltraise]

Fair enough. I can't see any situation where West Coast is trading their future first at the start of their rebuild.

Theyd basically be splitting their f1.

They may be able to get both GWS + Ports f1s back as part of the deal with perhaps GWS getting 1 + 2.

 

[tiltraise]

Next year has a lot of WA talent, WC will not trade their f1 unless it is ridiculous overs

Fine lets give them overs.

 

[KickItAnywhere34]

I think that the way that it has happened, after 1 year and as the number 1 pick, I don't see it changing. I think his step-father has a fair bit or control in the situation. Just my opinion.

He has also shown that he lets these feelings alter his play. Thats okay, he is young. But he will still be young in 12 months. I don't expect this to change overnight.

Clarko might turn him around. If it was either keep him or give him away for a late pick then I'd give him a chance.

However, a big factor in this for me is that I rate Sheezel as a talent and as a personality. He seems quality. Silky smooth operator like Pendles and with elite endurance. I also rate Tsatas.

I would just turn the page and start again now, rather than in 12 months.

North are very keen on Sheezel who has made a late season run into calculations. Putting aside the Tom Browne deal we are trying to get in a position to draft 2 of Cadman/Wardlaw/Sheezel. IF we can’t trade JHF then Tsatas MAY be a consideration but I don’t think he’s what we need. Cadman fills the key forward role Sheezel the goal kicking small with tricks and Wardlaw the inside bull if JHF goes. Pretty simple really.

 

[Harvey Manfrenjensenden]

Pick 1 for 3, 12 and a future second

JHF for pick 2 and F1

That's about the minimum and probably where it ends up if the trade goes ahead. How the other clubs make it happen is not our problem

12 for Clark

I can live with that

 

[Rooboy 96]

Pick 1 for 3, 12 and a future second

JHF for pick 2 and F1

That's about the minimum and probably where it ends up if the trade goes ahead. How the other clubs make it happen is not our problem

12 for Clark

I can live with that

If Jesus thinks this is great the Magic Trade Dice must agree, let’s ask





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[Hatchy1992]

I think if there were more first rounders coming our way they would have been mentioned.

We are going to get *ed here, this is smelling exactly like the s**t we got served when we rolled over for CCJ and Brown all over again.

All port want to give up is a future 4th by the sounds of it.

 

[Rooboy 96]

The Magic Trade Dice has looked at the offering from West Coast for our #1 draft selection this year, and unless the media is reporting it incorrectly and they mean #1 for #3, #12 and #19 the answer is




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[Kangaroos techno]

Only positive of dealing with Port supporters, is that we haven’t been dealing with Saints supporters…

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Eh. Long time bay troll that's schtik is blaming every stk loss ever on umpires.

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

We should be getting what ever we can in the top 5 of this draft and then the rest should be future 1st picks. Next draft is the one we want to heavily invest in. I'd only trade pick 1 this year if it was for another pick in top 5 and a future 1st

 

[Devington]

Have to consider list spots with all this too. Cooper Harvey is 1 already, another 2 are mandatory, and then I think we only have room for 1 more player unless we move blokes to the rookie list. Please correct me if I'm wrong on that.

Which makes me think what we'll aim for is 2,3, Points for Cooper, a Player traded in, and then try and stockpile of future picks. Which is all to say I think there's a good chance we get Hunter Clark

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Age

26

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Wt

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17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

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8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.9

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.6

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M

2.2

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T

2.0

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CL

0.0

1star

with the extra GWS currency, the GWS and JHF deals aren't as flash as some want, but that we will trade into next year with excess picks on draft night(s) and the end result is a pretty decent haul.

 

[tiltraise]

Lets give this 4 way deal a try.

Port
In: JFH, Rioli
Out: 8, 33, f1, f2

GWS
In: 1, 2
Out: 3, 12, 15, f1

WC
In: 8, 12, 33, f1(gws), f1(pa), f2(pa)
Out: Rioli, 2, f1

NM
In: 3, 15, f1(wc)
Out: JHF, 1

 

[Devington]

Lets give this 4 way deal a try.

Port
In: JFH, Rioli
Out: 8, 33, f1, f2

GWS
In: 1, 2
Out: 3, 12, 15, f1

WC
In: 8, 12, 33, f1(gws), f1(pa), f2(pa)
Out: Rioli, 2, f1

NM
In: 3, 15, f1(wc)
Out: JHF, 1

1 alone is arguably worth 3 and 15, and JHF's worth is clearly higher than a future 1st.

 

[Tas]

The devil is in the detail, I wouldn't lose any sleep over what has been leaked.

My issue with all these 2, 3, 4 and 6 way deals is they seem to suffer from PA not ponying up enough, I don't want to do a deal that helps Port if it compromises what we get out of it.

We shouldn't be paying JHF and 1 for 2 and 3, it just sounds ridiculous. There has to be a lot more to it than that and none of these dodgy leaked deals have Port coughing up anything more than what we have already rejected.

Our deal with GWS should not be drawn into the deal for JHF.

They said GWS offered us 3+12 for 1, then how does that equate to us getting 3+2? That means JHF not even worth pick 2, that is bollocks.

I just cant see how it's done unless Port coughs up a lot more than what they have been willing to pay.

 

[tiltraise]

1 alone is arguably worth 3 and 15, and JHF's worth is clearly higher than a future 1st.

WC f1 > JHF

 

[Devington]

WC f1 > JHF

Wowser, I simply can't agree with that. What's the logic you're using?

 

[Shinboner1]

Have to consider list spots with all this too. Cooper Harvey is 1 already, another 2 are mandatory, and then I think we only have room for 1 more player unless we move blokes to the rookie list. Please correct me if I'm wrong on that.

Which makes me think what we'll aim for is 2,3, Points for Cooper, a Player traded in, and then try and stockpile of future picks. Which is all to say I think there's a good chance we get Hunter Clark with the extra GWS currency, the GWS and JHF deals aren't as flash as some want, but that we will trade into next year with excess picks on draft night(s) and the end result is a pretty decent haul.

I think we have to be moving at least one or 2 to the rookie list. Maybe we're into a state league mature ager but otherwise we'll need spots for picks.

 

[rippersnipper]

Seems like us and West coast are holding all the cards here and yet in all of these deals we're the two clubs getting absolutely shafted. At this point I want us to keep JHF and take Cadman at 2 after bidding on Ashcroft at 1. **** trading anything because all of these arrangements are trash for us.

 

[tiltraise]

Wowser, I simply can't agree with that. What's the logic you're using?

Harley Reid is the best talent.

Even souup rates him a tier above this years pool.

Lets use pick 1 and a guy who sooks it up both on and off the field to give us maximum chance to get him.

 

[Reagan Smash]

We’re going to have to bring in The Count from Sesame St to keep up with the number of clubs in the super duper mega deal

 

[shinboner magic]

Souup roos_fanatic08 where does Cadman sit against 2023 draft talls

 

[Luke72]

I think that the way that it has happened, after 1 year and as the number 1 pick, I don't see it changing. I think his step-father has a fair bit or control in the situation. Just my opinion.

He has also shown that he lets these feelings alter his play. Thats okay, he is young. But he will still be young in 12 months. I don't expect this to change overnight.

Clarko might turn him around. If it was either keep him or give him away for a late pick then I'd give him a chance.

However, a big factor in this for me is that I rate Sheezel as a talent and as a personality. He seems quality. Silky smooth operator like Pendles and with elite endurance. I also rate Tsatas.

I would just turn the page and start again now, rather than in 12 months.

Clarko needs to have a conversation with him telling him to cut off his parents, delete their number and move out of their home permanently. If his career is going to be a success these unhealthy relationships have to stop despite the fact it’s hard to make the break.

 

[TruRoos7]

From what I've been told, Wardlaw is an absolute gun and if his hammies are okay then he should be at the top of this draft. So I would also prefer him.

And, an extra thought on Clarko/JHF. He is a young Indigenous kid who might have an issue with his Indigenous father in his ear about Port (my opinion). I don't know that the timing is great for Clarko to be the guy to get inbetween that. I wonder if Clarko is keen to avoid it and move on.

This maybe what is fueling the continuing “negotiations” that Clarko now wants him gone as well due to his potential mental health issues.

The kid is 19 and has shown a propensity to sook it up and be petulant (re his ice bath) his step father is an indigenous person and no doubt has said Poort under anyone would be a “safer” environment than Norf under Clarko and add to that he can go home and suck on mums tit after training ala “Lord Robin Arryn of the Vale”.

So Clarko may well be fearing the kid will just play the mental health card and we are screwed.

Better to take something rather than nothing at all.
I don’t trust this kid to grow up anytime soon, I don’t trust his step father and family not to be in his ear ever second of the day tugging at the heart strings, Poort have already shown they are willing to sabotage anything to get their way.

 

[bengrina]

This maybe what is fueling the continuing “negotiations” that Clarko now wants him gone as well due to his potential mental health issues.

The kid is 19 and has shown a propensity to sook it up and be petulant (re his ice bath) his step father is an indigenous person and no doubt has said Poort under anyone would be a “safer” environment than Norf under Clarko and add to that he can go home and suck on mums tit after training ala “Lord Robin Arryn of the Vale”.

So Clarko may well be fearing the kid will just play the mental health card and we are screwed.

Better to take something rather than nothing at all.
I don’t trust this kid to grow up anytime soon, I don’t trust his step father and family not to be in his ear ever second of the day tugging at the heart strings, Poort have already shown they are willing to sabotage anything to get their way.

Or Bad Boy Bubby

 

[1975]

Don’t care what the deal is as long as it F#€¥ks port over.

 

[1975]

I don't think the club sees it this way. IMO they see JHF for 2, F1 & X (player or good first round pick) as the minimum.



Port are giving JHF blue balls and that's about it.

JHF doesn’t have balls.