List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part II

[Barrels]

We have less under 23s than just about any side and have FA to trade out that isn't required or would bring in a decent pick. If we don't make finals next year they have an out that we played the kids. They think we won't be any worse off without him because he hardly played?

Usually I’m somewhat enthused about the potential in our U23s… but here goes…

B: **** - Adams - Connolly*
HB: Coffield - Sharman - ****
C: Byrnes* - Owens - Wang.-Milera
HF: **** - Allison - Peris
F: ** - King - **
Foll: Heath - Bytel* - Windhager

*rumoured to be on the way out

 

[Mowman]

We have less under 23s than just about any side and have FA to trade out that isn't required or would bring in a decent pick. If we don't make finals next year they have an out that we played the kids. They think we won't be any worse off without him because he hardly played?

Basically covering their butts for what happened this year and next year

Cant come out now and say Ratts and coaching are at fault, get an early pick for Clark play Windy - Owens -NWM and the 2 kids from this years draft and have the excuse of saying we are playing Kids

 

[bird_man]

Usually I’m somewhat enthused about the potential in our U23s… but here goes…

B: **** - Adams - Connolly*
HB: Coffield - Sharman - ****
C: Byrnes* - Owens - Wang.-Milera
HF: **** - Allison - Peris
F: ** - King - **
Foll: Heath - Bytel* - Windhager

*rumoured to be on the way out

It's not a good look. There's nothing to show from the 19 and 20 drafts in terms of youth.

And one good kid from 18

 

[Barrels]

It's not a good look. There's nothing to show from the 19 and 20 drafts in terms of youth. grim viewing.

Pretty grim viewing.

 

[XhazzafootyX]

Usually I’m somewhat enthused about the potential in our U23s… but here goes…

B: **** - Adams - Connolly*
HB: Coffield - Sharman - ****
C: Byrnes* - Owens - Wang.-Milera
HF: **** - Allison - Peris
F: ** - King - **
Foll: Heath - Bytel* - Windhager

*rumoured to be on the way out

It is very concerning. That’s why I was hoping we would target a Bruhn, Henry etc.

 

[Barrels]

It is very concerning. That’s why I was hoping we would target a Bruhn, Henry etc.

In fairness to them… why the hell would they want to come to us?!

 

[BrutThough]

Or that he won't be a mid perhaps and are planning putting the time into Owens and Windy.

If he is traded, I think it's because of this.

Doubts he will can transition into a midfielder with the 18 year old already viewed as in front of him in the pecking order and this is the chance to cash in before he is just a half back flanker.

He's also had a some reoccurring groin issues - maybe something we are concerned about?

 

[XhazzafootyX]

In fairness to them… why the hell would they want to come to us?!

Exactly! We are in a world of pain at the moment

 

[Mowman]

Usually I’m somewhat enthused about the potential in our U23s… but here goes…

B: **** - Adams - Connolly*
HB: Coffield - Sharman - ****
C: Byrnes* - Owens - Wang.-Milera
HF: **** - Allison - Peris
F: ** - King - **
Foll: Heath - Bytel* - Windhager

*rumoured to be on the way out

Jesus that's putrid

 

[sunny3193]

Who do you credit the off field turn around to ?. I’d dispute the transition from a non competitive team to a competitive one, 2012 we finished 9th, 2022 we finished 10th. In between our highest finish is 6th and our lowest 18th, in fact we’ve meandered mostly in the bottom half and appear headed down with a poor list rather than up.

Should we focus more on the clubs off field success, maybe but not in the draft and trade thread imo. I just don’t see how the last 10 years have been anything but a hot mess when you look at our results. That reflects very poorly on the the entire football department and those who put them there.

It‘s very hard to swallow that a club that claimed to be top 4 are now about to embark on a strategy that looks a lot like a mini rebuild. What do we take from that, are they liars, incompetents, who should be held responsible for that.

Thanks for your response Yawkey way .
I mentioned 2012 in my post only because Gringo is fixated on history and 10 years ago seemed an appropriate rebuttal. Given the people now in charge are carrying the burden of that history but aren’t responsible for it.
Those numbers quoted are based on Finnis’s tenure, so 2014 is your reference, and we finished 18th that year.
Who is responsible for the off field turnaround?
I don’t think we can allocate responsibility to any individual, rather I believe that we finally got some shrewd directors who could see further than their egos. To come from where we were is the result of great vision and an incredible amount of hard work. We posters are football supporters from all walks of life so I accept that the off field improvement is lost on some. Hopefully I can explain it in a way that assists in improving everyone’s knowledge about the entire club performance, not just the week to week win/loss.
And you are correct, discussing this in the 2022 Trade Thread isn’t appropriate.
But in my defence, if you read my OP, it is an observation about list management strategy, my belief that the strategy has changed, and why.

 

[lewdogs]

Basically covering their butts for what happened this year and next year

Cant come out now and say Ratts and coaching are at fault, get an early pick for Clark play Windy - Owens -NWM and the 2 kids from this years draft and have the excuse of saying we are playing Kids

Come on you think they'd trade a guy so they have an excuse when things go bad? That can't be the reason.

 

[Barrels]

Jesus that's putrid

King, Owens, Windhager and Sharman are good to great.

Wanganeen-Milera I’ve already mourned and moved on from, thanks to this board.

That’s about it at this point.

 

[BrutThough]

Exactly! We are in a world of pain at the moment

Why are we in a world on pain?

It's not an under 23s league. Most of our best players are 26-27 so aren't retiring tomorrow and gives us plenty of time to add younger players to eventually replace them.

 

[lewdogs]

Usually I’m somewhat enthused about the potential in our U23s… but here goes…

B: **** - Adams - Connolly*
HB: Coffield - Sharman - ****
C: Byrnes* - Owens - Wang.-Milera
HF: **** - Allison - Peris
F: ** - King - **
Foll: Heath - Bytel* - Windhager

*rumoured to be on the way out

That is shocking isn't it. Shows why we need to hit the draft.

 

[BrutThough]

Come on you think they'd trade a guy so they have an excuse when things go bad? That can't be the reason.

It's clearly not the reason why he is up for trade. Just more doomsday nonsense.

 

[Barrels]

Why are we in a world on pain?

Why?

Because our gun kids are thin on the ground, and our 26-27yr olds that they’d theoretically be replacing aren’t good enough either.

 

[Mowman]

Come on you think they'd trade a guy so they have an excuse when things go bad? That can't be the reason.

I think Clark is the scapegoat for the mistakes in trading and drafting over the last few years
Crazy shit if he goes

 

[sunny3193]

I'll tell you what would have made a bigger difference to the bottom line. Consistent finals and success. We are a sleeping giant who get donation memberships but poor attendance. We are a in the business of sports entertainment. We are not entertaining or much good at our sport. It should have been the first second and third most important parts of the business. Saying that they are now after 11 years of pain we are starting to address it is not good enough. We are sitting off the top 8 like we were under Richo. We could already do that without the help of Lethlean. It's not historical, we are still in it.

For Christmas I have the perfect gift for you: a 2012 calendar.

 

[XhazzafootyX]

Why are we in a world on pain?

It's not an under 23s league. Most of our best players are 26-27 so aren't retiring tomorrow and gives us plenty of time to add younger players to eventually replace them.

Because it’s just a hard time to be a supporter at the moment. We’ve gone back to players not wanting to come to us, we’ve missed out on two finals series since making one. Players haven’t come on as we would have liked. Failed trades in hill and Hanners have lead us nowhere. It’s very glass half empty at the moment. I know this stuff has been discussed to death but it’s very depressing seeing other teams go ahead of us again while we seem to be stuck in the middle.

 

[Diehard Saint]

I'm Clark's biggest fan but other than the fact that he's contracted, we have him available while his probably at his lowest value since joining the club.

Exactly why we should be hanging onto him.

Giving him away will be unforgivable, one of our few recent top 10 picks. So seeing as we don’t need a salary cap dump, we’d be nuts to give him away given what we’ve seen he can do.
Now other clubs may not be prepared to cough up, but then I think we must hold firm.

Our record of picks used when trading out players like McEvoy and Stanley has been atrocious.

We will live to regret this one if we don’t handle it properly.

 

[lewdogs]

I think Clark is the scapegoat for the mistakes in trading and drafting over the last few years
Crazy s**t if he goes

What you're saying just makes no sense. He's a player that we have and was a pick 7 the last thing we'd want to do is throw him away if we rate him but for some reason we don't.

 

[Mowman]

Why?

Because our gun kids are thin on the ground, and our 26-27yr olds that they’d theoretically be replacing aren’t good enough either.

we dont have any gun kids apart from Max

Windy- Owens - NWM aren't gun Kids yet

 

[BrutThough]

Why?

Because our gun kids are thin on the ground, and our 26-27yr olds that they’d theoretically be replacing aren’t good enough either.

Our best 22 played some good football this year against good sides. We aren't that far off. We need to improve our depth and fill a few holes to take that next step.

We need more young players coming through but we aren't about to fall off a cliff because we couldn't win the u23 bigfooty dick measuring contest.

 

[Mowman]

Because it’s just a hard time to be a supporter at the moment. We’ve gone back to players not wanting to come to us, we’ve missed out on two finals series since making one. Players haven’t come on as we would have liked. Failed trades in hill and Hanners have lead us nowhere. It’s very glass half empty at the moment. I know this stuff has been discussed to death but it’s very depressing seeing other teams go ahead of us again while we seem to be stuck in the middle.

Good post and will be around the 10th - 12th spot at best for a little while

 

[bergholt]

Too much to list.

Anyone genuinely in the know isn’t rolling up here to spill their guts…

Kidding! I thought they all spent their spare time posting for nuffies.