List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part II

[Mowman]

Because, like his mate. Once it's in their head, that's it. Blinkers.

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Blinkers on because we have a different opinion

Funny most of you having crack at gringo and others were the very same ones saying the blinkers were on when he was saying don’t sign Ratts yet Wait.

 

[stavro#4]

Yes indeed.. read the words.. read inbetween the lines. Read the words very carefully.

Why would there be contract talks between the Saints and Hill?

He already has a contract, so why would there be talks between Hill and the Saints.

The talks (if any) would now be happening between Hill and other clubs to discuss what they "could" offer St Kilda to break/dissolve the current contract.

Hill hasn’t been put up for trade and Hill hasn’t been told to find a new home because we don’t want his salary.

Ratten has said Hill is a required player.

That’s fact.

Clarko meeting Hill in secret
Hill meeting Simpkin & co
Hill now not telling the club his intention.

That is also fact.

So when you read between the lines as you say. What outcome did you get?

 

[stavro#4]

Blinkers on because we have a different opinion

Funny most of you having crack at gringo and others were the very same ones saying the blinkers were on when he was saying don’t sign Ratts yet Wait.

I also said to hold off on Ratts. We had a tough second half of the year to come.

What’s the point here?

 

[Saint Shags]

Yes we did turn pick 6 into more than just 1 player but we also gave more than just pick 6 , a couple of 2nd rounder’s a future 2nd round ? And a player

As I said not great but not as terrible as it is if looked at in isolation.
The idea would be to make sure we get something we can use now rather than hold him and hope things improve.

Though it does seem that he struggles with seeing any of his contracts out.

 

[Mowman]

As I said not great but not as terrible as it is if looked at in isolation.
The idea would be to make sure we get something we can use now rather than hold him and hope things improve.

Though it does seem that he struggles with seeing any of his contracts out.

Agreed

I just don’t trust the people we have in place not to make the same mistakes

 

[MordySaint]

Hill hasn’t been put up for trade and Hill hasn’t been told to find a new home because we don’t want his salary.

Ratten has said Hill is a required player.

That’s fact.

Clarko meeting Hill in secret
Hill meeting Simpkin & co
Hill now not telling the club his intention.

That is also fact.

So when you read between the lines as you say. What outcome did you get?

I've said numerous times, that I would want Hill to stay on our list and is a required player.

All I am saying is that the words on the AFL website saying "there are no contract discussions between Hill and the Saints" is an interesting use of words.

I'm happy that you report these new "facts".

 

[stavro#4]

Agreed

I just don’t trust the people we have in place not to make the same mistakes

Just close your eyes and imagine we take the next Dusty Martin.

 

[stavro#4]

I've said numerous times, that I would want Hill to stay on our list and is a required player.

All I am saying is that the words on the AFL website saying "there are no contract discussions between Hill and the Saints" is an interesting use of words.

I'm happy that you report these new "facts".

They Ratten/meeting with Clarko + Simpkin have literally been in the media the past few weeks.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

As I said not great but not as terrible as it is if looked at in isolation.
The idea would be to make sure we get something we can use now rather than hold him and hope things improve.

Though it does seem that he struggles with seeing any of his contracts out.

There will always be the "too good to pass up" exception to the rule, but I'd really like it if we resisted trading out draft picks for players that already have a premiership medal tucked away in their bedside table. Too easy to take the money and cruise in that situation.

We need all our players to be as hungry as hell to experience a premiership before retirement comes a knockin'

 

[MordySaint]

They Ratten/meeting with Clarko + Simpkin have literally been in the media the past few weeks.

This was just released in the last few minutes

Dogs land key defender, clubs eye Tigers youngster, Swan to re-sign

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

www.afl.com.au

Unfortunately for us then, its still in the news.

 

[Mowman]

I also said to hold off on Ratts. We had a tough second half of the year to come.

What’s the point here?

Wasn’t referring to you with the Ratts comment

We might have had a tough 2nd half of the year because some players have lost trust in Ratts and Hill

Point was it’s a footy forum and because someone doesn’t have the same opinion doesn’t mean they have blinkers on and wrong. It’s an opinion

 

[Mowman]

Just close your eyes and imagine we take the next Dusty Martin.

Dam closed
My eyes and all I could see was Dunstan and Billing’s

 

[stavro#4]

This was just released in the last few minutes

Dogs land key defender, clubs eye Tigers youngster, Swan to re-sign

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

www.afl.com.au

Unfortunately for us then, its still in the news.

I’m really confused.

Are you not highlighting my point here. That North are the ones who are approaching hill as opposed to us trying to bin?

I assume you are referring to this(which was from this morning)

St Kilda has also been linked as a possibility for Phillips, but it would likely depend on if anything happened with Bradley Hill. Hill, who has two years to run on his contract, has been linked as an option for North Melbourne but there have been no trade talks between the Saints and Hill.

 

[stavro#4]

Dam closed
My eyes and all I could see was Dunstan and Billing’s

Close them a little harder, maybe hold your breath until everything starts getting a little fuzzy and you might remember Rooey and Kosi

 

[Mowman]

Close them a little harder, maybe hold your breath until everything starts getting a little fuzzy and you might remember Rooey and Kosi

Ok
Will give it another go

 

[Mowman]

Close them a little harder, maybe hold your breath until everything starts getting a little fuzzy and you might remember Rooey and Kosi

Bloody hell tried

All I got was McCartan and Alison FML

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I like the argument that we have to accept unders because they having nothing to trade.

Buyer : Hey Mister, how much for the Commodore.
Seller : I don't want to sell it.
Buyer : I really really want it.
Seller : OK , 20K
Buyer : can you sell it for 5K, its all i have, Oh and i want you to pay for the Petrol.

Yeah sure.

 

[MordySaint]

I’m really confused.

Are you not highlighting my point here. That North are the ones who are approaching hill as opposed to us trying to bin?

I assume you are referring to this(which was from this morning)

St Kilda has also been linked as a possibility for Phillips, but it would likely depend on if anything happened with Bradley Hill. Hill, who has two years to run on his contract, has been linked as an option for North Melbourne but there have been no trade talks between the Saints and Hill.

I completely understand your point, I'm happy the club are saying that Hill is a required player. Lets hope the media speculation about this slows down.

 

[Bertha]

From my understanding his contract is for 6 years.

If we have to pay his salary, then he is well and truly better staying at the club and sorting out the issues.

He's a decent/good and great at times.

I'd be pointing the finger at somewhere else other than the players... start with gameplan, recruitment and development.

I get all the contract stuff and it doesn't work this way, but if a player requests a trade and the club agrees then the contract should be void and the club not forced to bear the balance of that previous deal. It would be different if the club actively was getting rid of a player, but it's not fair on the club when the player wants to go.

 

[pebblesofsand]

I completely understand your point, I'm happy the club are saying that Hill is a required player. Lets hope the media speculation about this slows down.

All players are "required" players - until they aren't.

Cut throat business - if we can see a way of getting better and its involves trading trading Hill, we'll trade Hill - even if we said they day before he was a required player.

If we can trade him for lets say Pick 19, get rid of $900K of the books (or $700K if we kick some of his salary) and him replace on game day with a player of similar out puts but only being paid $500K) then today right now we are Pick 19 AND $200k better off. (Jack Billings I'm looking at you!!!)

And what we paid to get him here in the first place is irrelevant unless you are into a bit of self flagellation.

 

[stavro#4]

If we are actually going to hit the draft Fiorini is owed 600k/1 year.

Suns are happy to do a Brodie type deal for someone to take him.

A good second round pick. I’d do it.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I get all the contract stuff and it doesn't work this way, but if a player requests a trade and the club agrees then the contract should be void and the club not forced to bear the balance of that previous deal. It would be different if the club actively was getting rid of a player, but it's not fair on the club when the player wants to go.

Wide open to rorting, what would you suggest should happen to players who are due to retire, ( ie Frankln )?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

If we are actually going to hit the draft Fiorini is owed 600k/1 year.

Suns are happy to do a Brodie type deal for someone to take him.

A good second round pick. I’d do it.

Long want's to go to Suns. Keep your second rounder.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

All players are "required" players - until they aren't.

Cut throat business - if we can see a way of getting better and its involves trading trading Hill, we'll trade Hill - even if we said they day before he was a required player.

If we can trade him for lets say Pick 19, get rid of $900K of the books (or $700K if we kick some of his salary) and him replace on game day with a player of similar out puts but only being paid $500K) then today right now we are Pick 19 AND $200k better off. (Jack Billings I'm looking at you!!!)

And what we paid to get him here in the first place is irrelevant unless you are into a bit of self flagellation.

There is a minimum on the salary as well as a cap. ( Horrible system imposed by the AFLPA, forcing shit teams to overpay poor players ).
We spend it no matter what.

We are advantaged if we get draft picks, otherwise we simply lose an AFL standard player.

 

[Armoooo]

Well, if they’re offering Long 4 years (and good coin) then they can cough up an early second round draft pick.

None of this rubbish about a pick in the 40s.

Why do they have to be generous to us?

What if a trade can't be facilitated and Long goes into the draft with demands of a 4 x 500 contract. How many clubs do you think would be likely to snap him from under Gild Coasts nose?