List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part III

[Ads734]

We only have Daniel McKenzie, this draftee may not even get to us.

And I understand you didn't say youngsters don't get played, but that trope gets wheeled out along with the young players get played out of position.

In fact us playing Owens in the middle in R1 probably was a factor in us losing that game, he wasn't ready. Either was Windy, but by year end both were getting good numbers and good experience in the guts. Naz was not played out of position.

Actually not many were play out of position. Sharman was but equipped himself well. Hill was but it was because he disappointed on the wing and DMAC and Wood were just as effective, Battle actually found his best position after being tossed about.

if the recruit we get is a good mid, they will get played in position once that have a little bit of experience. This is what worries Clark I reckon, he hasn't cemented a mid spot in 5 years, sees these kids come in and start playing in there. Then he sooks when challenged to DEMAND a mid spot.

Why gift any player a spot when he wont put in the required work?

Perhaps I’m still suffering from the Richo scars. Look maybe i was a bit harsh on the not playing on the ball. I do think that there is/was an issue with development in not letting young players on the ball early enough. Maybe it’s different with Ratts specifically with the example of Owens.

I do think that because McKenzie is so good at HB as well we’ll be tempted to leave him there to appease others and at the expense of his own midfield development

 

[Grav]

According to that it is 2025 with 6 years (I am sure it is 5)

2021 signed a 2 year contract, not sure where you got the 5 Joffa.

Dynamic duo ink two-year extension

Hunter Clark and Nick Coffield will call RSEA Park home for at least another two seasons, with the classy duo signing new contracts.

www.saints.com.au

 

[bird_man]

3 for Clark and 9 is not enough.

We need either a reasonable 2nd or a future first as well.

Doubt we would get any more

Top 4 of this draft is quite strong so you'd have to give up a premium to get in there

 

[saintsmania]

Swans Kinnear beatson just confirmed we had interest in Lewis Melican

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Lewis Melican

Age

29

Ht

194cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

5.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.0

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.0

3star

MG

48.0

1star

D

5.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.0

2star

MG

48.0

1star

D

5.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.0

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.0

3star

MG

48.0

1star

that cooled down after we went with Cordy

 

[phantom13]

They have 3612 points at present. Trading away 21 brings that down to 2734 which needs to be used for Ashcroft (likely bid on at 1 - 2400) and Fletcher (basically hoping no-one bids on him until pick 40). They can go into deficit next year, but given they will likely be there abouts, it would eat away both their 1st and 2nd for 2023.

I used the draft guru calculator and got slightly different numbers but pretty close to this.

So is that the answer they can just go into deficit? How does the deficit work? Appreciate the response too my man.

 

[billings2paddy]

Are we talking other teams trades here?

Can someone please explain to me how Brisbane (who just traded another pick for Gunston by the way) get Ashcroft, Fletcher (both expected to be top 5) and Dunkley?

Cause i cant see how on Earth they can make that work

Are we talking other teams trades here?

Can someone please explain to me how Brisbane (who just traded another pick for Gunston by the way) get Ashcroft, Fletcher (both expected to be top 5) and Dunkley?

Cause i cant see how on Earth they can make that work .

Probably give a future pick and whatever their 1st pick now is after trades and go into deficit for points with the academy players for next year

 

[Nutsngum]

2021 signed a 2 year contract, not sure where you got the 5 Joffa.

Dynamic duo ink two-year extension

Hunter Clark and Nick Coffield will call RSEA Park home for at least another two seasons, with the classy duo signing new contracts.

www.saints.com.au

He's almost certainly talking about Hill but qouted a post about Clarke.

 

[billings2paddy]

I used the draft guru calculator and got slightly different numbers but pretty close to this.

So is that the answer they can just go into deficit? How does the deficit work? Appreciate the response too my man.

pretty similar to what happened when Carlton bid way to early for Liam Henry with freo

 

[WRFL Indentity]

I used the draft guru calculator and got slightly different numbers but pretty close to this.

So is that the answer they can just go into deficit? How does the deficit work? Appreciate the response too my man.

I'd suggest yours is probably more accurate.

Basically, if you go into deficit, your first selection for the following year is pushed back by the amount of points you are in deficit. Slightly different to what I was expecting to be honest. Basically their first selection, if they trade away 21 and a future 1st, could be in the 3rd or 4th round after the deficit is taken into account. Not all doom and gloom for them I guess.

 

[phantom13]

Probably give a future pick and whatever their 1st pick now is after trades and go into deficit for points with the academy players for next year

Sure but as has been explained thats still not nearly enough.

With what they currently have i can see maaaaaaybe Ashcroft and Dunkley getting done (Dunkley feels a stretch).

No way they can do all three.

 

[billings2paddy]

I'd suggest yours is probably more accurate.

Basically, if you go into deficit, your first selection for the following year is pushed back by the amount of points you are in deficit. Slightly different to what I was expecting to be honest. Basically their first selection, if they trade away 21 and a future 1st, could be in the 3rd or 4th round after the deficit is taken into account. Not all doom and gloom for them I guess.

I'd suggest yours is probably more accurate.

Basically, if you go into deficit, your first selection for the following year is pushed back by the amount of points you are in deficit. Slightly different to what I was expecting to be honest. Basically their first selection, if they trade away 21 and a future 1st, could be in the 3rd or 4th round after the deficit is taken into account. Not all doom and gloom for them I guess.

That's why it makes sense to trade out next years early picks
Then you can always trade back in or use free agency

 

[phantom13]

I'd suggest yours is probably more accurate.

Basically, if you go into deficit, your first selection for the following year is pushed back by the amount of points you are in deficit. Slightly different to what I was expecting to be honest. Basically their first selection, if they trade away 21 and a future 1st, could be in the 3rd or 4th round after the deficit is taken into account. Not all doom and gloom for them I guess.

Can you go that far into deficit? Surely there must be a cap on it?

 

[WRFL Indentity]

That I don't know. Probably some fine print somewhere but buggered if I could find it!

Can you go that far into deficit? Surely there must be a cap on it?

 

[Joffaboy]

2021 signed a 2 year contract, not sure where you got the 5 Joffa.

Dynamic duo ink two-year extension

Hunter Clark and Nick Coffield will call RSEA Park home for at least another two seasons, with the classy duo signing new contracts.

www.saints.com.au

Because I am old and senile and thought we were talking about Hill

 

[Joffaboy]

Perhaps I’m still suffering from the Richo scars. Look maybe i was a bit harsh on the not playing on the ball. I do think that there is/was an issue with development in not letting young players on the ball early enough. Maybe it’s different with Ratts specifically with the example of Owens.

I do think that because McKenzie is so good at HB as well we’ll be tempted to leave him there to appease others and at the expense of his own midfield development

BTW I think Clark can make it as a mid and we will very much regret it if we trade him.

 

[Ads734]

Yep JB me and you Definetly in agreement there

 

[billings2paddy]

Sure but as has been explained thats still not nearly enough.

With what they currently have i can see maaaaaaybe Ashcroft and Dunkley getting done (Dunkley feels a stretch).

No way they can do all three.

just a scenario
They offered pick 15 for dunkley
bulldogs said no
Could offer a future 1st and future 2nd
leaves 3452 points
pick 1 3000
ashcroft
fletcher pick 18 985 points
they can go into deficit for 500 points

 

[Klaatu]

So from what i read our supporters on BF don't like Schache, yet a club like Melb who finished 5th think his worth trading for,BF perception you got to love it.

I think we need either Schache or Weid otherwise King goes alone again & with the 5th interchange on board you can carry the extra big man.

 

[phantom13]

just a scenario
They offered pick 15 for dunkley
bulldogs said no
Could offer a future 1st and future 2nd
leaves 3452 points
pick 1 3000
ashcroft
fletcher pick 18 985 points
they can go into deficit for 500 points

Dogs have said they wouldnt accept 21 and a future first so i dont see how they can make Dunkley happen at all.

Based on what they have (and assuming they dont get Dunkley done) they have 3319 points and if Fletcher is pick 18 they need 3985 (assuming Ashcroft gets nommed at 1).

So with no Dunkley they still need a 600 point deficit to get both f/s (and some are talking about Fletcher now being closer to 10 than 20).

If they use 21 in some deal for Dunkley they have 2441 points and need to go into a deficit of 1500... surely thats not allowed.

 

[phantom13]

So from what i read our supporters on BF don't like Schache, yet a club like Melb who finished 5th think his worth trading for,BF perception you got to love it.

I think we need either Schache or Weid otherwise King goes alone again & with the 5th interchange on board you can carry the extra big man.

Schache is a link guy, hates a contest and needs a team where he is a cream on top player.

I cant stand him but hes good at one thing, get to a club where he can be one thing hes worth a look.

 

[FrogDude]

So from what i read our supporters on BF don't like Schache, yet a club like Melb who finished 5th think his worth trading for,BF perception you got to love it.

I think we need either Schache or Weid otherwise King goes alone again & with the 5th interchange on board you can carry the extra big man.

Schache shouldn't be considered a key forward though. He's basically a tall flanker with no ability to take a contested mark

 

[Joffaboy]

So from what i read our supporters on BF don't like Schache, yet a club like Melb who finished 5th think his worth trading for,BF perception you got to love it.

I think we need either Schache or Weid otherwise King goes alone again & with the 5th interchange on board you can carry the extra big man.

Didn't Melbourne list Dunstan when they were the premier?

 

[Dard Ball Get]

So from what i read our supporters on BF don't like Schache, yet a club like Melb who finished 5th think his worth trading for,BF perception you got to love it.

I think we need either Schache or Weid otherwise King goes alone again & with the 5th interchange on board you can carry the extra big man.

Uh oh. The grammar police are coming to get you

 

[BrutThough]

I'd happily take Schache.

Still uncontracted at the Dogs - maybe waiting to see if they got the Lobb deal done? Something we should definitely be keeping an eye on because we need more options up forward.

 

[Mowman]

So from what i read our supporters on BF don't like Schache, yet a club like Melb who finished 5th think his worth trading for,BF perception you got to love it.

I think we need either Schache or Weid otherwise King goes alone again & with the 5th interchange on board you can carry the extra big man.

The same Melbourne that took Dunstan last year ?

Our club don’t seem that keen either