List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part III

[Winmar2Lockett]

I think GWS want to move up the draft board. It’s rumoured they have their sights set on pick 1.

They've got a stiffy for Cadman.

 

[Geary Is GOAT]

People are mad that someone outside the tent is giving us a kick but Lloyd isn't saying anything that isn't accurate.

 

[gringo2011]

It’s easy for the media to put the boots into us. Not that I blame them considering we’ve tread water for a decade.

But we’re not as bad as they make out. We win two more games and we’re in the finals. We’ve got a fairly young list that should improve and we’re committing to the draft while also going after free agents.

We’re making off-field appointments that should make us better too.

I think they're talking more from the fact that we are treading water in no mans land and the others around us have made drastic list changes so look like they will be moving ahead quicker. We look a bit like we had one target that fell over but then if that didn't work we are going to the draft as our only way forward. I guess it's a bit of a confusing strategy from the outside. Having a rebuild if we can't get one player that all hopes were pinned on soy of vibes.

All we have to fall back on now is coaching and internal improvement which with less under 23 players than most other clubs looks less likely. The off field appointments look better than anything else we've done recently, Walsh particularly. He's saying all the right things about pushing the club forward.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

If argue that trading/sighting of Jones/Crouch/ Hannebery/ Hill, Higgins and too a much lesser extent howard. My issue is that this type of trading pushes the development of younger guys and causes issues with culture. I think whenever we’ve had much longer targeted recruiting we’ve been better. Ie Steele membrey Bruce and they all fitted longer term needs. I think hill we got caught up wanting someone who was avilable. Same as Higgins, jones and Hannebery

Higgins?? He’s 22! The same age as coffield and Clark who get the “let them have time to develop” excuse. Higgins was on track to be all Australian this year before his concussions. He already plays a role in our team that no one else can replace. No one on our list around that age not named Max King has that sort of a claim to a position in our 22.

 

[The Punter]

I'd like it on the record that I think, on top of the concussions, that the "he's just selfish" stuff got to Higgins.

IMO there are two ways Higgins can go: selfish, productive Higgins or non-AFL standard Higgins. I want him hungry for goals. We have others for the pressure and the unselfish stuff, but Higgins is a point of difference in his ability to score himself at that size.

 

[gringo2011]

Nailed it. We need a top 5 pick and another one in the top 15...another couple in the mid twenties to mid thirties. We have the last 3. Just need the first one.

The issue with that is you only get those by finish low on the ladder, trading for overs, mortgaging future draft picks or selling one of your best players. None sound very appealing. To me when we have too many picks we have our brains freeze and can't work out who to take. I just want them to nail the picks we do have. Sometimes quality over quantity is a better strategy.

 

[Joffaboy]

Someone on tR wanted us to trade 9 for Lachlie Hunter - lel

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

I'd like it on the record that I think, on top of the concussions, that the "he's just selfish" stuff got to Higgins.

IMO there are two ways Higgins can go: selfish, productive Higgins or non-AFL standard Higgins. I want him hungry for goals. We have others for the pressure and the unselfish stuff, but Higgins is a point of difference in his ability to score himself at that size.

He got absolutely blasted for that non pass to butler. He nails those type of freak kicks so often though. He’s allowed to back himself. That’s the job of his type of small forward. Eddie betts half of his highlight reel could be considered selfish if they bounced the other way.

We have pressure tackling forwards, Higgins is our kicks goals out of nowhere guy like Papley

 

[snails13]

I think GWS want to move up the draft board. It’s rumoured they have their sights set on pick 1.

They want Cadman and if Nth get P1& P2 they may take him

 

[St Neil]

Just for interest

GWS currently have picks 3, 12, 15, 19, 44, 61, 63, 79.

Add pick 18 to that clutch of picks.

So they now have 3, 12, 15, 18 and 19. Five picks into the top 20.

It’s a joke. They just photocopy early picks from one trade period to the next. I can see them offloading several of those picks.

Maybe we just need to be bold and target some of those picks. In particular pick 19, the first pick of the second night of the draft.

Clubs will have digested what happened on the first night and that pick will hold a lot of currency, especially in the futures market. But that pick may also allow a gun to be drafted who has slipped through the first round.

 

[Gosaints12]

As if you wouldn't. He's a guaranteed gun for pick 10, a speculative pick. And he's only 25.

Not when there’s an 18 yr old, who will not leave in 2 yrs. Would do it at 28 though.


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[gringo2011]

You always seem to be able to find positives in about 17 AFL clubs.

However gringo remember….

You can love something and want the best for them. You guys would be bringing your 32 year old son breakfast in bed and telling him you'll get your pension cheque out of the bank so that he could go and get pissed instead of looking for a job. I'd kick the campaigner up the arse and slap his ear. We just have different ideas about acceptable behaviour.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I heard him getting interviewed, sounds like Freo put up a decent offer but Blake chose to shop himself around because this is the contract that will take him through his most profitable contract. Carlton have apparently been working on getting him over since earlier in the season. Not sure it was Freo just cutting him loose.

Blake actually used the words 'low balled' in one interview.

Not sure how that equates to a decent offer.

His most profitable contract was the one he was on with us.

 

[gringo2011]

If he goes home next year. All port will have to offer is Sinn

The crows will have a first

At the moment Sinn hasn't played a game and is severely injured with a soft tissue problem. You'd want more than that unless he's going to play a stellar season next year. Another HBF isn't great either.

 

[SaintsofSteel]

I would be happy with GWS picks #12 & #19 for Hunter Clark

11

Hunter Clark

Age

26

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.9

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

?

 

[Ducky Tie]

I'd like it on the record that I think, on top of the concussions, that the "he's just selfish" stuff got to Higgins.

IMO there are two ways Higgins can go: selfish, productive Higgins or non-AFL standard Higgins. I want him hungry for goals. We have others for the pressure and the unselfish stuff, but Higgins is a point of difference in his ability to score himself at that size.

Agreed. It's easy to take pots at the club, but I really do think they should have defended him more. The media absolutely ripped into Higgins for something that happens from multiple players in pretty much every game. It became an issue that was blown totally out of proportion. The club pretty much agreed with that narrative by saying that it was addressed mid game, rather than doing a full public support of Higgins. It contrasts with Scott, Hardwick, Simpson etc who defend their players publicly to the point that it looks a bit silly.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Add pick 18 to that clutch of picks.

So they now have 3, 12, 15, 18 and 19. Five picks into the top 20.

It’s a joke. They just photocopy early picks from one trade period to the next. I can see them offloading several of those picks.

Maybe we just need to be bold and target some of those picks. In particular pick 19, the first pick of the second night of the draft.

Clubs will have digested what happened on the first night and that pick will hold a lot of currency, especially in the futures market. But that pick may also allow a gun to be drafted who has slipped through the first round.

Ripe for a club keen to get more picks (eg Us) to use a future 1st to get multiple picks in the teens.

 

[St Neil]

I would be happy with GWS picks #12 & #19 for Hunter Clark

11

Hunter Clark

Age

26

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.9

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

?

That values Clark the same as Taranto.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

You always seem to be able to find positives in about 17 AFL clubs.

However gringo remember….

You can love something and want the best for them. You guys would be bringing your 32 year old son breakfast in bed and telling him you'll get your pension cheque out of the bank so that he could go and get pissed instead of looking for a job. I'd kick the campaigner up the arse and slap his ear.

But then you'd spend the rest of the day blissfully admiring and perving on your neighbours

 

[gringo2011]

2019 we won 9 games
2020 we won 10 games Finals 6th
2021 we won 10 games 10th
2020 we won 11 games 10th

2022 we have 5 or 6 x A graders
Steele
Marshall
Wilkie
Sinclair
King
Perhaps Crouch
A graders are the players who will win their position week in week out

We need more A graders and there are arguably more A graders up for this trade period than in recent years

Taranto
Degoey
Dunkley
Grundy
Jackson
Hopper
Whitfield
Haynes
Mitchell
We are instantly a better team with any of these players

And a plethora of former 1st round picks
Henry
Bruhn
Horne-francis
Bowes
Clark

Other clubs are adding not only high end talent but high draft picks
Brisbane
Dunkley
Ashcroft
Fletcher
And have traded a B grade player in Mcstay
Geelong
Bowes
Henry
Bruhn
pick 7 Jyhe Clark

So far we have Cordy and pick 32

I would have thought with our president saying he is sick of mediocrity its actions not words etc we would have come out firing this trade period.

Perhaps, and my thoughts are we thought we had degoey signed
I think it's highly likely he may have used our interest to leverage collingwood and judging by the comments of his manager it seems very likely
But did we have a plan B if we didn't get him???
And is our 2022 trading strategy on the back foot this trade period?

There are still 6 days left for this trade period still plenty of time to increase our draft position and acquire some A grade talent

Collingwood and Richmond also getting a huge injection of talent in.

 

[Sainter1873]

I think they're talking more from the fact that we are treading water in no mans land and the others around us have made drastic list changes so look like they will be moving ahead quicker. We look a bit like we had one target that fell over but then if that didn't work we are going to the draft as our only way forward. I guess it's a bit of a confusing strategy from the outside. Having a rebuild if we can't get one player that all hopes were pinned on soy of vibes.

All we have to fall back on now is coaching and internal improvement which with less under 23 players than most other clubs looks less likely. The off field appointments look better than anything else we've done recently, Walsh particularly. He's saying all the right things about pushing the club forward.

But we aren’t having a rebuild. That line of thinking is just wrong. And I don’t really see what’s confusing about our strategy. We missed out on De Goey, who was the type of player we need, but there aren’t many other realistic targets. So we go back to the draft hopefully with two first round picks.

Makes a lot of sense. The Clark stuff confuses me but I’m not sure what the true story is.

 

[bergholt]

GWS now have picks 3, 12, 15, 18, 21.

 

[St Neil]

Ripe for a club keen to get more picks (eg Us) to use a future 1st to get multiple picks in the teens.

Exactly.

It all depends on how we see this draft and how deep the next draft is expected to be.

But a future first and a player like Clark could see the club load up with many early picks this year. GWS does provide that opportunity.

High risk strategy though. We’d need to get our development right and we’d need to nail our selections. But the rebuild could be done in one hit.

 

[bergholt]

I would be happy with GWS picks #12 & #19 for Hunter Clark?

Way too much unfortunately

 

[EconomicDecline]

That values Clark the same as Taranto.

Send back 32 and 47. Or send those to Brisbane for 25 and send that.