Analysis 2023 Draft Watch

[Christou2Kouta]

Every time I watch him I just think of Collingwood and everything our team lacks. Pace, skill, dare.

Super impressive. I think Sanders is better in the clinches but Wilson’s outside game is superior. Has plenty of options to get out of traffic as a dual sided player and uses the ball well. Would be very happy if we were able to pick him up.


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[DangerousD]

You make a fair point... I'd love an extra pick or two this year too. And a few months back I was actively advocating we do just as you say. Just now, l'm not so sure. Our form this year has given me little confidence that we'll be up the pointy end next year, making it a huge risk to trade away a first round pick.

I don't think the 2024 draft will be any more compromised than this year. This year we have the 3 x GCS kids. Next year, there's a few F/S candidates - Welsh (Ade), Aschcroft v2 (Bris) and our two Campos. Suns have another couple of academy kids, but not sure they'll be in the first round. Not much in it.

What’s a realistic disaster? We trade our F1 for say pick 13, next year we don’t improve and would have got pick 4, we lose 9 spots in the order. No one would care if the player we got the previous year was good.

I don’t want to lose TDK but don’t see many other options for getting top 20 picks

 

[DangerousD]

Agree. It's not a straight forward decision. Also need to consider that if everyone rates this draft highly, they're less likely to want to trade out of it - at least for a deal that is reasonable. Guess we see what offers are out there. If we can get another top-10 pick for next year's first, I'm ok with it. If the offer is worse than that, I'd be very hesitant.

GC traded a top 8 pick for thin air

 

[GT619]

Super impressive. I think Sanders is better in the clinches but Wilson’s outside game is superior. Has plenty of options to get out of traffic as a dual sided player and uses the ball well. Would be very happy if we were able to pick him up.


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[FitzroyBlueBagger]

What’s peoples expected outcome if we traded our F1? We currently hold pick 4 but myself and online ladder predictors have us around pick 7, so what’s a big enough carrot to entice a club to part with a current first rounder?

If we were the ones offering a current pick I would be wanting to add at least 6-8 spots on top of the buyers ladder position.

By this logic, we’d get a pick around 12-15.

Would this be reasonable?

Personally i wouldn’t be trading our future first for a pick (12plus)
in this years first round, I’m not convinced atm that the quality is worth it…
It’s an absolute lottery, more questionable doubts on most of the first round picks than absolute strengths, you would want to nail it…

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

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He plays a bit like a less explosive JHF. To be honest after JHF dual hamstring surgeries they look fairly similar but JHF was far more explosive in his draft year than Sanders. Got less of the ball but was more damaging too.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

This is probably a better selection of clips to show his strengths

I'd rather Mckercher with our balance of mids. Absolute link up play magician, think Walsh and him would cause oppo teams nightmares.

 

[bmaurizio]

Mckercher kicking is a concern otherwise agree on everything else, he’s kicking let’s him down.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Every time I watch him I just think of Collingwood and everything our team lacks. Pace, skill, dare.

On my watch list Walshy…
Definitely better disposal execution by both hand/foot than I’ve seen him throughout the year so far, certainly the midfield/forward type that we need has many good strengths, like him all depends on his continued quality of ball use and deciding making, that’s the deciding factor how high he will go…
Good player..

 

[bmaurizio]

We need midfielders that have , good speed, footy IQ and are good users.
Intelligent accurate ball use is vital, enough hit or miss types.

 

[bmaurizio]

Wilson , Sanders, Lorenz and or Mckercher in that order for me , ideally two lads form this group would be a very good outcome for us.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

Sanders will bolt up. He’s a top ten pick easily. He looks like a forward and is always on his toes in traffic. He also has a great sense of where the out numbers are with the ball and off the ball.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Mckercher kicking is a concern otherwise agree on everything else, he’s kicking let’s him down.

I'll just say in regards to Mckercher, Wilson and even Duursma in some regards with their ball use by foot. My opinion of course and others are more than entitled to have a different one.

They are not ball winning inside mids at AFL level.

At AFL level all 3 of them would be playing totally different roles to what they are in juniors and I said the same about Hollands last year. Small, skinny kid who's natural instinct is to take the aggressive option but is always under huge pressure due to playing inside mid minutes against the bigger and stronger kids in the draft. Meant he was a bit more prone to shanking the ball or rushing himself unnecessarily. After being shifted to a more outside role at AFL level though, I doubt many would point to that as a flaw of Hollands game like they did when he was playing inside in juniors. I think the same will be the case for Mckercher and Wilson once drafted.

Mckercher and Wilson are transition midfielders, first receivers on the outside and sprinting through the middle of the ground creating links at AFL level. At junior levels thats different, you want your best players around the ball and generally they get by purely from natural talent and footy IQ even against the taggers and bigger inside mids who aren't as talented, but it's not maximising their strengths as players. They're not the types you want scrapping around on the floor looking to dish the ball out to others which often at times is what they've been asked to do in their U18s games.

If you've got Cerra Cripps and Kennedy doing the dirty work inside and then letting Walsh Wilson Hollands and Mckercher do all the transition work with the half forwards you're going to challenge the best teams in the comp in sheer running strength and speed within a few years. All 4 of them are more than capable of racking up 30+ touches and chaining play from the backline into the forward 50, they all have great agility and speed and love to change angles which makes it near impossible to defend.

 

[smashbox gill]

I just want speed and good disposal.

 

[Revenant1995]

I just want speed and good disposal.

And footy IQ....

 

[bmaurizio]

I just want speed and good disposal.

Yup agree totally with you & I’d add footy IQ too, absolutely necessary.
Yeah Revenant1965, spot on.

 

[Juice030103]

I’ve made up my mind and it’s Wilson. We won’t have the pick high enough to get a caddy type who I love.


As stated previously, Wilson screams pies style player which is what we desperately need. He gives off the vibe of “how did he not go top 5-7” about him too

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

I'll just say in regards to Mckercher, Wilson and even Duursma in some regards with their ball use by foot. My opinion of course and others are more than entitled to have a different one.

They are not ball winning inside mids at AFL level.

At AFL level all 3 of them would be playing totally different roles to what they are in juniors and I said the same about Hollands last year. Small, skinny kid who's natural instinct is to take the aggressive option but is always under huge pressure due to playing inside mid minutes against the bigger and stronger kids in the draft. Meant he was a bit more prone to shanking the ball or rushing himself unnecessarily. After being shifted to a more outside role at AFL level though, I doubt many would point to that as a flaw of Hollands game like they did when he was playing inside in juniors. I think the same will be the case for Mckercher and Wilson once drafted.

Mckercher and Wilson are transition midfielders, first receivers on the outside and sprinting through the middle of the ground creating links at AFL level. At junior levels thats different, you want your best players around the ball and generally they get by purely from natural talent and footy IQ even against the taggers and bigger inside mids who aren't as talented, but it's not maximising their strengths as players. They're not the types you want scrapping around on the floor looking to dish the ball out to others which often at times is what they've been asked to do in their U18s games.

If you've got Cerra Cripps and Kennedy doing the dirty work inside and then letting Walsh Wilson Hollands and Mckercher do all the transition work with the half forwards you're going to challenge the best teams in the comp in sheer running strength and speed within a few years. All 4 of them are more than capable of racking up 30+ touches and chaining play from the backline into the forward 50, they all have great agility and speed and love to change angles which makes it near impossible to defend.

Do you have any data on Wilson’s McKercher’s Duursma’s and Watson’s overall speed and endurance numbers available to share Walshy?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Do you have any data on Wilson’s McKercher’s Duursma’s and Watson’s overall speed and endurance numbers available to share Walshy?

Don't have any testing data for you, can only go off watching tape and scouting notes for now.

Wilson is definitely the best of the 3 in terms of speed and endurance, wouldn't find many in the draft better than him in that regard.
Mckercher and Duursma more just very zippy and agile rather than powerful gut runners. Probably a bit closer to a Darcy Parish type compared to Wilson who's more like Walsh or a Josh Daicos type.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

There is an article on the AFL site discussing possible changes to the Father/Son, northern Academy and NGA bidding structures, also mentioned about the accumulation of later round picks being used for points on early round draft picks…

Sounds like they may be looking at possibly changing the way clubs amass later picks for obtaining their F/S or Academy players, no mention of the 20% discount that is attached to them currently…

Just when we look like having some handy future F/S’s of our own on the horizon, the AFL might just change the draft landscape altogether, personally I’d prefer that they took the 20% away from the clubs aligned to any player available to them in any compacity…

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

And footy IQ....

And mongrel…

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Don't have any testing data for you, can only go off watching tape and scouting notes for now.

Wilson is definitely the best of the 3 in terms of speed and endurance, wouldn't find many in the draft better than him in that regard.
Mckercher and Duursma more just very zippy and agile rather than powerful gut runners. Probably a bit closer to a Darcy Parish type compared to Wilson who's more like Walsh or a Josh Daicos type.

Was doing a little research on a few players, on the rookie central draft guide it was interesting that with Allies Ryley Sanders that his speed was mentioned as an improvement, by the eye from watching the games so far he does seem to possess a decent turn of foot speed wise, one thing that has stood out is he is a natural ball winner who is poised good at weaving through congestion, links up well but probably has close to the best disposal skills in the draft I’ve watched so far…
Interesting to see just how quick he is, applies good pressure too…

 

[macky99]

I’ve made up my mind and it’s Wilson. We won’t have the pick high enough to get a caddy type who I love.


As stated previously, Wilson screams pies style player which is what we desperately need. He gives off the vibe of “how did he not go top 5-7” about him too

lt is very much a unknown were we finish, not sure one good performance equates to that being continued against good opposition.
We still have 3 top teams & games interstate & some teams around us are performing well so around 5-6 is still very much a possibility.

 

[Bletch]

Was doing a little research on a few players, on the rookie central draft guide it was interesting that with Allies Ryley Sanders that his speed was mentioned as an improvement, by the eye from watching the games so far he does seem to possess a decent turn of foot speed wise, one thing that has stood out is he is a natural ball winner who is poised good at weaving through congestion, links up well but probably has close to the best disposal skills in the draft I’ve watched so far…
Interesting to see just how quick he is, applies good pressure too…

Thought he and Rogers were standouts in the match v our 2s.

 

[Christou2Kouta]

Was doing a little research on a few players, on the rookie central draft guide it was interesting that with Allies Ryley Sanders that his speed was mentioned as an improvement, by the eye from watching the games so far he does seem to possess a decent turn of foot speed wise, one thing that has stood out is he is a natural ball winner who is poised good at weaving through congestion, links up well but probably has close to the best disposal skills in the draft I’ve watched so far…
Interesting to see just how quick he is, applies good pressure too…

He doesn’t seem especially fleet of foot (not slow but average) but he’s clearly a very clever footballer. He positions himself well, reacts quickly, is balanced and chooses good options which all combine to obscure any issues with pure speed in most situations.

My only knocks on him are:
1. Do we need some out and out speed to complement our existing group?
2. I haven’t seen any evidence that he’s comfortable on his left foot which really limits your options as a clearance player. If you have elite speed you can typically get away with being one sided but he doesn’t possess that trait so will it be an issue in the AFL?


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