Analysis 2023 Draft Watch

[TerryWallet]

Look im a big fan of Collard and have been for months. I'm just going off what I've heard from a relative who's a recruiter over in WA and hearsay on Bigfooty/Cal Twomey etc.

Personally would consider trading up for him if he fell past 25 using future picks. I think he's the most talented small in the draft outside of Watson.

I know your rating of Collard and there is nothing personal in my previous post intended. It is just a reply in case people think there is only one correct theory about him.

I think the fact that he is here at the Combine, and doing very well, is at least a counter argument to the narrative that he is so troubled and introverted that he is incapable of playing outside WA.

I enjoy your posts in this thread particularly.

 

[Dunna Heartknee]

Look im a big fan of Collard and have been for months. I'm just going off what I've heard from a relative who's a recruiter over in WA and hearsay on Bigfooty/Cal Twomey etc.

Personally would consider trading up for him if he fell past 25 using future picks. I think he's the most talented small in the draft outside of Watson.

Could it be a pre hypnotic suggestion to ward off others, then Eagles swoop with a token pick. A lot of mind games in this business, just a matter of working out the BS from the truth.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Could it be a pre hypnotic suggestion to ward off others, then Eagles swoop with a token pick. A lot of mind games in this business, just a matter of working out the BS from the truth.

Don't think so but that could be part of it. There was definitely something reported re a family matter regarding his lacklustre champs campaign and that recruiters/coaches had been told he was having a tough time away from them at the time.

As plenty have mentioned though, you get one of these players right in terms of surrounding them with good support to thrive and they can make a selection in the 30s look like the biggest steal of all time. Plenty of examples of it going the other way though and they end up requesting trades home or out of the AFL system quite quickly.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Roos' offer for Blue, Swans load up, stars emerge at Combine

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Pick 7 sounds to me like we want Watson

 

[Coona Blues]

Roos' offer for Blue, Swans load up, stars emerge at Combine

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Pick 7 sounds to me like we want Watson

Certainly in the mix around there, may be a little late in some projections. My bet would be O’Sullivan, he and Curtin are both likely to be “generational” KPD.

Do we think two first rounders would get us to #7?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

WCE - Harley Reid
GCS - Jed Walter
Norf - Daniel Curtin
Norf - Colby Mckercher
Hawks - Zane Duursma
WB - Nick Watson
Melbourne - Ryley Sanders/O'Sullivan
GWS - Nate Caddy
Cats - Ryley Sanders/O'Sullivan

So you may be right re O'Sullivan. Talk on Dogs forums is the clubs after Watson at their pick too.

 

[Coona Blues]

WCE - Harley Reid
GCS - Jed Walter
Norf - Daniel Curtin
Norf - Colby Mckercher
Hawks - Zane Duursma
WB - Nick Watson
Melbourne - Ryley Sanders/O'Sullivan
GWS - Nate Caddy
Cats - Ryley Sanders/O'Sullivan

So you may be right re O'Sullivan. Talk on Dogs forums is the clubs after Watson at their pick too.

I have a feeling the Suns will have to match Read somewhere in there. Rogers should last a little longer, but Read is both athlete and footballer as well as being two metres tall. Ruck and/or key position swingman, he has flown under the radar with projections. Almost certainly someone buds high, hoping GC won’t match two in (say) top 5. Surely a more certain bet than often lacklustre Caddy.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I have a feeling the Suns will have to match Read somewhere in there. Rogers should last a little longer, but Read is both athlete and footballer as well as being two metres tall. Ruck and/or key position swingman, he has flown under the radar with projections. Almost certainly someone buds high, hoping GC won’t match two in (say) top 5. Surely a more certain bet than often lacklustre Caddy.

Id have some money on their Read going before Walter.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

If that was to eventuate I'd be pretty stoked with these 3. No idea how we'd get Collard in too though while also getting Hollands over the line without destroying our draft hand next season and risk not being able to match the Campo boys.

7 - O'Sullivan
16 - Leake
28 - Collard

Leake has massive upside imo. He's my favourite at our current pick if we aren't able to make any moves up the order.

Add the Camporeale twins next year and we'd have a seriously strong underbelly of youth.

 

[Stamos]

If that was to eventuate I'd be pretty stoked with these 3. No idea how we'd get Collard in too though while also getting Hollands over the line without destroying our draft hand next season and risk not being able to match the Campo boys.

7 - O'Sullivan
16 - Leake
28 - Collard

Leake has massive upside imo. He's my favourite at our current pick if we aren't able to make any moves up the order.

Add the Camporeale twins next year and we'd have a seriously strong underbelly of youth.

We're not getting 7 and keeping 16

 

[macky99]

We're not getting 7 and keeping 16

Spot on there is some very good talent in the 1st 10- 12 picks, our only chance is to trade this year's & next years 1st have a chance to get to this position, be interesting as to who we rate to consider this.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

We're not getting 7 and keeping 16

That post was referring to a previous one which included a hypothetical trade of Young and Fisher for Norths pick 19. As it stands theres no way we'd be able to get to 7 without giving up 16, I agree on that. If a last minute trade of a Kennedy or Young type it opens up other possibilities.

I only say it because the msging out of the club has been that we'll be looking to add 3-4 more quality kids this off season and if we're trading up for 7 we'd really only have the 1 decent pick. Makes me think we have some other things in the works potentially.

 

[DangerousD]

Has the combine been yet?

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

We're not getting 7 and keeping 16

I can't even see how we'd be getting 7 if we're looking at trading our future 2nd for Hollands.....unless we're looking at somehow getting a future 2nd for Fish.

As another poster stated, North will be having picks flying all over the place over the next week, so if we somehow can jag a future 2nd from them, we may try to package up our 2023 and 2024 1st rounders to move up the board. Although I can't really see Geelong accepting a 2023 pick possibly around pick 20-22 and something similar next year for pick 7.

If Austin can somehow get Hollands, pick 7, and a couple of 2024 2nd rounders, we need to start thinking of a statue outside if Princes Park.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Has the combine been yet?

Couple of days ago, can find info on the results on Cal Twomey's twitter and google

 

[DangerousD]

Who knows?
Twomey had him at 26 in his September rankings, but described him as "a late-season bolter".

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I liked the look of his highlights, he moves very well for 190cms, some interesting write ups in the form guide, every player sounds a winner.

Without having watched any of them, Jiath sounds like he would be great for us, but to be honest I’m just picturing his brother running off half back and assuming he will be similar.

Im also intrigued by Stevens at 28, having missed his junior year maybe he has taken some time to get back in to the swing of things, but any kid who steps up from U/18 footy to Geelongs VFL and has 29 touches is doing well.

Delean seems a perfect fit too,

 

[DangerousD]

Why trade up, going off Twomeys September draft guide, everyone sounds awesome, lets just take 2-s in the 16-30 range.

Not entirely serious but all the write ups make most of the players sound perfect for us.

 

[DangerousD]

Couple of days ago, can find info on the results on Cal Twomey's twitter and google

I thought there would have been more posted from it, haven’t heard or seen much

 

[Kaladin Stormblessed]

The system is a bit stuffed if a fringe player like James Jordan (22 and 65 games) and a 26 year old Matt Flynn with 33 games in 9 years can net their clubs picks 39 and 40, whilst Fisher with 107 games and 25 years old is worth pick 42.

 

[DangerousD]

So the Suns have another potential academy player who is testing strongly at the combine, Graham, haven’t seen him mentioned anywhere.

 

[The Bighouse]

So the Suns have another potential academy player who is testing strongly at the combine, Graham, haven’t seen him mentioned anywhere.

Yep, the 4th in-line but down the pecking order (ATM) for a bid but could be higher than GCFC was hoping.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Here's one a bit from left field, but if we're looking for a 3rd marking option up forward, may I introduce Patrick Weckert.

I believe this was from 2022, so would have been 17yo playing at SANFL reserves level...GREAT set of mitts on him just quietly.

 

[Coona Blues]

So the Suns have another potential academy player who is testing strongly at the combine, Graham, haven’t seen him mentioned anywhere.

Graham was very solid off HBF for the Allies in the championships. Was plenty of quality out of his natural position, Had a few midfield minutes and looked awesome when got his chance. I would not be surprised if he is bid on in first round and ends up as good as any in the draft class. Athletic profile, I wasn’t aware of, is phenomenal.

It is partly why they are happy to offload the likes of Hollands…

 

[Stamos]

Why trade up, going off Twomeys September draft guide, everyone sounds awesome, lets just take 2-s in the 16-30 range.

Not entirely serious but all the write ups make most of the players sound perfect for us.

Of note is that this year seemingly has a very strong top 10, and then after that the next 20 or so are very even, or at least will have very different ratings across the board, so their write-ups probably sound at a similar level.

 

[Bletch]

Has the combine been yet?

2023 AFL Trade Period

All About Carlton

Current draft picks: 16, 65, 73

List changes:
Out: 5 - Ed Curnow (Ret), Plowman (Ret), O'Brien (Del), Philp (Del), Honey (Del)
In: 2 - Duffy (IIR), Monahan (IIR-CatB)
Uncontracted: 1 - Dow.
Retained SSP Players: 2 - Cincotta, O'Keeffe

List status: Senior - 33; Rookie - 7; Cat-B Rookie - 2; Free spots - 2 Senior (and at least one Rookie must be upgraded)

Spoiler: Key Dates

Player and Selection Trades: PENDING
Mon 9-Oct 9am: AFL Trade Period Commences – Players & Selections
Wed 18-Oct 7.30pm: AFL Trade Period Closes – Players & Selections
Mon 23-Oct 9am: AFL Trade Period Opens – Selections Only
Fri 10-Nov 5pm: AFL Trade Period Closes –Selections Only

Restricted/Unrestricted Free Agency Trades: OPEN
Fri 6-Oct 9am: AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period Commences
Fri 13-Oct 9am: Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period
Mon 16-Oct 5pm: AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends

Delisted Free Agency Periods: PENDING
Wed 01-Nov 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences
Wed 08-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes
Fri 10-Nov 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences
Fri 10-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
(see also period 3 under "The Draft" section below)

Draft Combines: OPEN
Fri 6-Oct to Sun 8-Oct: National Draft Combine
Sun 8-Oct: Victorian State Combine
Sat 14-Oct: SA/NT State Combine
Sun 15-Oct: WA State Combine

Draft Nominations: PENDING
Tue 10-Oct 9am: AFL Draft Nominations open
Mon 13-Nov 3pm: AFL Draft Nominations close

The Draft:
Mon 20-Nov
Time TBA: National Draft Round One
Tue 21-Nov
5.45pm - 6.30pm: Selection Trade period
7pm: National Draft Round Two to completion
Following completion of draft: Rookie Promotion to Primary List
Following completion of draft: Delisted Free Agency Period (3)
Wed 22-Nov
3pm: AFL Pre-season Draft
3.20pm: AFL Rookie Draft

TBA
Time TBA: Final Club list lodgment

Spoiler: Completed Trades

6-Oct
1. James Jordon to Sydney as UFA. Melbourne receive end of 2nd round pick as compensation (39)
2. Matt Flynn to WCE as UFA. GWS receive end of 2nd round pick as compensation (40)
8-Oct
3. Joel Hamling to Sydney as UFA. Fremantle do not receive any compensation.

Spoiler: Potential trades (Blue Tick Rumours)

Spoiler: Potential trades (Summary)

Nominated:
Ben McKay to Essendon (FA)
Todd Goldstein to Essendon (FA)
Tyler Brockman to West Coast (Trade)
Liam Henry to St Kilda (Trade)
Elliott Himmelberg to GWS (Trade)
Massimo D’Ambrosio to Hawthorn (Trade)
Jacob Koschitzke to Richmond (Trade)
Brandon Zerk-Thatcher to Port Adel (Trade)
Jordon Sweet to Port Adel (Trade)
Esava Ratugolea to Port Adel (Trade)
Shane McAdam to Melbourne (Trade)
Dylan Stephens to North Melb (Trade)
Chris Burgess to Adelaide
Tom Doedee to Brisbane
Mabior Chol to Hawthorn
Zac Fisher to North Melbourne (Trade)
Tom Fullarton to Melbourne
Taylor Adams to Sydney (Trade)

Mooted:
Brodie Grundy - Sydney
Jade Gresham - Essendon?
Jack Billings
Paddy Dow - Sydney/StK ?
Ivan Soldo
Buku Khamis - staying at Dogs
Dylan Shiel
Elijah Hollands - Carlton
Clayton Oliver - staying at Melbourne
Ollie Wines
Dan McKenzie
Tyler Brockman - West Coast/Freo
Scott Lycett
Tom Clurey
James Borlase
James Harmes
Brynn Teakle
Xavier Duursma
Josh Sinn

Potential DFA and Retiree moves:
TBA

Missed Out on trades:
TBA

Spoiler: Draft Order and selection summary

Spoiler: Official AFL Information Links

Full AFL Trade/Draft Key Dates

Official AFL Trade Hub

Official AFL Trade Tracker

Official AFL Draft Hub

Indicative Draft Order

List Changes by Club

Yep, finished today.