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List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading (Part 2)

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Do you have a link to the article? I can't find anything on Google or the AFL website. Not doubting you, just trying to find the article you referenced.
From the article below:

"For instance, it would have allowed Adelaide to list one of Rory Sloane or Taylor Walker as a veteran for 2024 and opened up another spot on their primary list. The idea was designed to keep veterans in the game without sacrificing a list spot that a youngster may have taken, with the veteran’s full payments still counted in the salary cap."

There's a link in the post above
 

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In fairness to Billy, this was one of Aussie sports greatest Steven Bradbury moments.
Fluked a trade to Collingwood of all clubs after his AFL career looks over.
Selected in GF side after injury to McStay.
Has a 2-possession match.
Wins premiership medal.
Now a Collingwood immortal who will never have to buy a beer there.


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It was funny towards the end of the game and Commentator was saying all Coll's best 22 were on the field - camera panned to the Coll bench ... guess who was there? :grinning:
 
So we blundered in trading out a premiership player last off season :-(

Knowing what he'd contributed, I was embarrassed for Billy accepting a premiership medal!

What are we doing this trade period, other than kicking ourselves we let Billy go?
 
So 16 possies 9 marks 8 intercepts - all above season averages for a guy whose season averages are all above average or elite

Billy 1 soccer kick and 1 handball, 2 frees against.

Collingwood literally played 17 on 18. Didn’t notice Billy have an impact on a single aerial contest


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I’m not sure why I’m arguing because Billy was awful. No doubt.
But, I thought Andrew’s had zero impact on the game - until the last quarter when he took a series of intercept marks - almost all while Billy was on the bench.
 

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The impact he had on Andrews was a beat up, seriously when he had the opportunity to have a positive affect offensively he was s**t, I could have put on a pair of Ronald McDonald footy boots at my age and current condition and done a job equal to Frampton. It was cringe worthy
Matthew Richardson is in-line to be an assistant with Adelaide.

Apparently we were impressed by his analysis of Billy’s crucial non statistical role.
 
I’m not sure why I’m arguing because Billy was awful. No doubt.
But, I thought Andrew’s had zero impact on the game - until the last quarter when he took a series of intercept marks - almost all while Billy was on the bench.
Billy is not a great player, yet he played 15 games this year for Collingwood in the H&A rounds as a KPD, KPF and in the ruck. Mostly while a variety of Cameron, Cox and McStay were out injured.

No ones expects much of Billy. He played a role. He should've taken at least 1 of those marks and converted though.

And had either of Ash Johnson or McStay been available he wouldn't have got a game.

But he did. And he deserves his medal as much as anyone else out there.

There were plenty of others out there who I would've expected more from. Ah Chee, Berry and Hipwood in particular for Brisbane. Neale was pretty damn ordinary in the first half too. Could probably add Starcevich in there too.
 
Billy is not a great player, yet he played 15 games this year for Collingwood in the H&A rounds as a KPD, KPF and in the ruck. Mostly while a variety of Cameron, Cox and McStay were out injured.

No ones expects much of Billy. He played a role. He should've taken at least 1 of those marks and converted though.

And had either of Ash Johnson or McStay been available he wouldn't have got a game.

But he did. And he deserves his medal as much as anyone else out there.

There were plenty of others out there who I would've expected more from. Ah Chee, Berry and Hipwood in particular for Brisbane. Neale was pretty damn ordinary in the first half too. Could probably add Starcevich in there too.
Rayner was garbage too.
 
Billy is not a great player, yet he played 15 games this year for Collingwood in the H&A rounds as a KPD, KPF and in the ruck. Mostly while a variety of Cameron, Cox and McStay were out injured.

No ones expects much of Billy. He played a role. He should've taken at least 1 of those marks and converted though.

And had either of Ash Johnson or McStay been available he wouldn't have got a game.

But he did. And he deserves his medal as much as anyone else out there.

There were plenty of others out there who I would've expected more from. Ah Chee, Berry and Hipwood in particular for Brisbane. Neale was pretty damn ordinary in the first half too. Could probably add Starcevich in there too.
I thought Jamie Elliot had an ordinary game too.

but he was fairly quiet for the last 6 or so weeks of the season tbh..

down on form?.. maybe carrying something?..

his normal dead eye dick “clutchiness“ in front of the sticks just wasn't there..
 
I thought Jamie Elliot had an ordinary game too.

but he was fairly quiet for the last 6 or so weeks of the season tbh..

down on form?.. maybe carrying something?..

his normal dead eye dick “clutchiness“ in front of the sticks just wasn't there..
Yeah .. I think that's about his level now tbh

Ginivan was pretty damn ordinary too
 
Yeah .. I think that's about his level now tbh

Ginivan was pretty damn ordinary too
Ginivan at least is a much younger player and had much less AFL game time leading up to the GF.

I could easily see him doing a Bobby Hill in the GF. In 2022 he was in cracking form. So the ability is definitely there.
 
Ginivan at least is a much younger player and had much less AFL game time leading up to the GF.

I could easily see him doing a Bobby Hill in the GF. In 2022 he was in cracking form. So the ability is definitely there.
Mmm .. maybe. I think a drawback for Ginivan is his pace.
 

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Ginivan at least is a much younger player and had much less AFL game time leading up to the GF.

I could easily see him doing a Bobby Hill in the GF. In 2022 he was in cracking form. So the ability is definitely there.
Ginnivan is a Jimmy Rowe clone. Will be out of the AFL system within two years.
 
Billy Frampton's game from a statistical perspective was no different to Ben Marsh in the 1998 GF
 
Just checking... is this still a List Management and Trading thread?!?
Or should we rename it more specifically, something like "Billy Frampton has an AFL Premiership Medal, and we don't"

Here's this morning's wrap from Fox Sports;
FoxSports Trade Period All Clubs
 

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At least after today we don’t need to hear people bash our list management over Frampton. Great that Billy got a GF medal and good on him - but arguably the worst winning GF performance inAFL history. Literally did nothing of value
Kinda funny, isn't it?
Got his spot via teammate injury and now he's "Premiership player, Billy Frampton".
So was Crow Aaron Keating, and many others.
I watched only the first quarter (prior engagement) but chuckled to myself as he dropped two straightforward chest marks early and ran around cluelessly out of position, very Frampton-like, for which one reviewer actually gave him credit, for taking his defender out of position!
Unless Billy was wearing an earpiece and was being told where to run, it was all by accident.

But like you said, good on him. He'll never have to buy himself another beer in a Collingwood Pub.
 
No ones expects much of Billy. He played a role.
Yeah, he put on the guernsey and was out on the field. :sneaky:
He should've taken at least 1 of those marks and converted though.
Both unlikely occurrences (having a dig at Billy, not you).
Billy's gotta be the happiest AFL footballer from 2023.

"Collingwood Premiership player, Billy Frampton", forever.
 
Zac Fisher? Wants more midfield time. Would bring some speed in there that we need? Or just clog it up for the likes of Ranks/Peds or Rachele if he gets fit

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Zac Fisher? Wants more midfield time. Would bring some speed in there that we need? Or just clog it up for the likes of Ranks/Peds or Rachele if he gets fit

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If we can’t get an elite mid then I’d prefer to get a quality small forward and use the midfield minutes on Peds and Rash.
 
Here's a few trade thoughts;

Bargain Bin / Left field ideas (queue criticism):
Crows should pursue Elijah Hollands at Gold Coast. He hasn't been able to bust into a Gold Coast midfield dominated by high end talent in Rowell, Anderson & Co. He was born in Adelaide, bit of childhood there. Get him cheap, we've got Burgess who is the best in the fitness business and maybe can get Elijah fit again, he's a 6'2" midfielder who was once the media favourite for #1 2020 draft pick until he did his ACL. Burgess has rehabilitated Milera... maybe he can do it again?

Let go of Doedee:
Offers of $600k/year for 5 years being circulated, which I hope the Crow's don't match. That's too rich considering the quality of our guys who stepped into Defence in the 2nd half of 2023 and really did themselves proud. Nick Murray, Smithers, Michalanney, Nankervis, Hinge, Keane, Butts, Borlase, (Dawson) - we're young, but we're in good standing. Let Doedee go with our blessing and wish him the best of luck in the future.

McAdam & Melbourne:
Trade out Shane & also a chunky draft pick - get in Harrison Petty / James Jordan
Best wishes to Shane, hope he finds success in Melbourne. He seemed like a humble and good bloke. In the trade exchange with Melbourne the Crows should offer up our draft picks to pry Harrison Petty or James Jordan out of Melbourne. When I go looking at the Top 30 or so Draft Prospects there are very few South Aussie lads in there. We're on a trajectory for flag hunting in 2025, so cough up a good 2023 pick to get a player straight in the team who is in our First 18 in 2024-25-26 every week.
 

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