List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading (Part 2)

[PeterSalt]

Do you have a link to the article? I can't find anything on Google or the AFL website. Not doubting you, just trying to find the article you referenced.

From the article below:

"For instance, it would have allowed Adelaide to list one of Rory Sloane or Taylor Walker as a veteran for 2024 and opened up another spot on their primary list. The idea was designed to keep veterans in the game without sacrificing a list spot that a youngster may have taken, with the veteran’s full payments still counted in the salary cap."

Roos target pick one, Dee to go on, big Dog to stay

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There's a link in the post above

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Signed in January and sacked in August.

I wouldn't be betting on that happening .....you could lose some money

 

[George CantStandYa]

Our feral friends weakness this year, apart from Hinkley, were lack of ruck depth and lack of quality tall defenders. They managed to fix both areas in only one trading period....btw these two areas are also our areas of weakness (and midfield).

Now we have the Facebook sycophant's trying to tell us that Ratug and Zerk are fringe players despite playing 16 and 18 games respectively with Ratu being in all Australian contention up until mid-year. If they're classing these guys as fringe how the hell do they rate Burgess.

Zerk is bagged because of goals conceded but he was playing on the key forwards and completely out bodied, let’s see how he goes as a third tall, reckon there will be some on here eating their words.

Ratu can’t be worse than what they had, which was shit and undersized.

So their defenders and rucks have improved, they’ve really got no excuses now. I hope they **** up because they’ve mortgaged everything to fix their issues but it’s hilarious some of our posters laughing at them whilst they got proactive, we did nothing and went backwards. We’ve got some decent injuries carried into 2024, plus Tex is a year older, improving is no given.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Yes, a future pick from the Giants, can’t remember the exact deal

We traded back to get McAsey and they gave us another first.

 

[FR0GGY]

Yes, a future pick from the Giants, can’t remember the exact deal

That’s trading with luck/good forecasting though, not trading up for a single digit pick

 

[GreyCrow]

I want to point something out that people are forgetting - and to be fair I might have wires crossed - from what I can gather our pick 20 is dead if we don't delist someone.

Is that correct?

Because as I see it if we go into draft night with a dead 20 we lose any bargaining position. Other teams will know it's a dead pick and act accordingly or we accept any scraps

tl;dr wr need to delist someone prior to the draft

 

[George CantStandYa]

I want to point something out that people are forgetting - and to be fair I might have wires crossed - from what I can gather our pick 20 is dead if we don't delist someone.

Is that correct?

Because as I see it if we go into draft night with a dead 20 we lose any bargaining position. Other teams will know it's a dead pick and act accordingly or we accept any scraps

tl;dr wr need to delist someone prior to the draft

Sloane

 

[Crow till I die]

Happy day after end of trade period day and all that goes with it

 

[Crow-eater]

I want to point something out that people are forgetting - and to be fair I might have wires crossed - from what I can gather our pick 20 is dead if we don't delist someone.

Is that correct?

Because as I see it if we go into draft night with a dead 20 we lose any bargaining position. Other teams will know it's a dead pick and act accordingly or we accept any scraps

tl;dr wr need to delist someone prior to the draft

Technically, if Parnell can't stay a rookie, 14 and 20 are dead picks.

There is another list lodgement date before the draft where I'm sure we'll delist someone or someones.

 

[Jarman3]

I want to point something out that people are forgetting - and to be fair I might have wires crossed - from what I can gather our pick 20 is dead if we don't delist someone.

Is that correct?

Because as I see it if we go into draft night with a dead 20 we lose any bargaining position. Other teams will know it's a dead pick and act accordingly or we accept any scraps

tl;dr wr need to delist someone prior to the draft

We brought in Burgess, traded / delisted McAdam, Doedee, Hately so yeah need 1 more. Where does McAsey's spot fit in? Was he still counted as senior list or had we already replaced that senior spot?

 

[Vader]

I want to point something out that people are forgetting - and to be fair I might have wires crossed - from what I can gather our pick 20 is dead if we don't delist someone.

Is that correct?

Because as I see it if we go into draft night with a dead 20 we lose any bargaining position. Other teams will know it's a dead pick and act accordingly or we accept any scraps

tl;dr wr need to delist someone prior to the draft

Yes, though we also have the option of trading picks - we could either try to move further up the draft order, or trade into the 2024 draft.

Given that all of our players are contracted for 2024 (excluding Borlase, who is a Cat B rookie), any player we delist is almost certain to be re-signed as a DFA and placed on the rookie list.

 

[Vader]

We brought in Burgess, traded / delisted McAdam, Doedee, Hately so yeah need 1 more. Where does McAsey's spot fit in? Was he still counted as senior list or had we already replaced that senior spot?

He still counts as creating a senior list vacancy. His replacement, Keane, was on the rookie list. Keane, and possibly Parnell (depending on the AFL's decision about MSD players), is the only player remaining on our Cat A rookie list.

 

[GreyCrow]

Yes, though we also have the option of trading picks - we could either try to move further up the draft order, or trade into the 2024 draft.

Even in this scenario I would screw us hard because ' whatcha gonna do '

 

[Geoffa32]

I want to point something out that people are forgetting - and to be fair I might have wires crossed - from what I can gather our pick 20 is dead if we don't delist someone.

Is that correct?

Because as I see it if we go into draft night with a dead 20 we lose any bargaining position. Other teams will know it's a dead pick and act accordingly or we accept any scraps

tl;dr wr need to delist someone prior to the draft

I suspect they are going to turn the three top 20 picks into two.

Trade picks 14 and 20 for a top 10 pick?

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[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

It's a worry that we seemingly had cash to burn but weren't able to land anyone. That kept happening to North Melbourne.

Felt like we were on the up last season to a degree but still a way to go I guess

 

[AndrewJo]

Has to be promoted to the senior list or delisted.

We would, of course, have the option of re-drafting him in the RD (as a Cat A rookie). However, that assumes that nobody signs him as a DFA, or selects him in the ND or RD before we grab him. Not a safe assumption, in my opinion.

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I can see Port Adelaide pouncing if he is delisted and we wait fir the rookie list. Will be interesting the tactics employed by our list manager before draft night. I think he has some upside.

 

[Golumless]

Ha ha glad you have finally come around. He’ll still get forward for parts of the game but in the the main He’ll just be be where the game dictates

I'm still not a fan, but I also don't have any say on what Adelaide do.

And it seems that's the direction we're angling.

 

[CromradeCromulent]

Yes, though we also have the option of trading picks - we could either try to move further up the draft order, or trade into the 2024 draft.

Given that all of our players are contracted for 2024 (excluding Borlase, who is a Cat B rookie), any player we delist is almost certain to be re-signed as a DFA and placed on the rookie list.

Reid has already said that the plan is to move up the order

 

[Vader]

Even in this scenario I would screw us hard because ' whatcha gonna do '

"Whatcha gonna do" is exactly what we have done for the last 2 years - delist players who are contracted, but who hold little attraction for other clubs, then re-sign them in the DFA window between the ND and RD. Players like Hamill, Cook, and Sholl would be prime candidates, given that their contracts expire next year and they have either shown little at AFL level (Cook & Sholl) or have significant injury concerns (Hamill).

While those options remain open to us, the leverage of any club wanting to "screw us hard" is minimal.

 

[Crow till I die]

A

We traded back to get McAsey and they gave us another first.

And we drafted pedlar with the extra 1st they gave us

 

[Redline]

I suspect they are going to turn the three top 20 picks into two.

Trade picks 14 and 20 for a top 10 pick?

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I think that's the plan but you need to have another club willing to do it and outside maybe Geelong I don't think there is.

 

[Redline]

Listening to Reid on SEN this morning I think we are keen to keep Borlase if the AFL allow it

 

[Vader]

I can see Port Adelaide pouncing if he is delisted and we wait fir the rookie list. Will be interesting the tactics employed by our list manager before draft night. I think he has some upside.

Honestly, Port are probably welcome to take him. The recruitment of Burgess means that he is now surplus to requirements, and we don't have a senior list position available for him. If he ends up at Port, then so be it - but I don't think the club will be upgrading him now, and delisting him is the only other option.

 

[Vader]

Listening to Reid on SEN this morning I think we are keen to keep Borlase if the AFL allow it

The only way the AFL allows that is as a quid pro quo for us kowtowing to their inaction over having a blatant umpiring error keep us out of the finals series.

 

[Redline]

The only way the AFL allows that is as a quid pro quo for us kowtowing to their inaction over having a blatant umpiring error keep us out of the finals series.

Don't know how but he said something about talking to the AFL. Its on the SEN podcast.

 

[GreyCrow]

"Whatcha gonna do" is exactly what we have done for the last 2 years - delist players who are contracted, but who hold little attraction for other clubs, then re-sign them in the DFA window between the ND and RD. Players like Hamill, Cook, and Sholl would be prime candidates, given that their contracts expire next year and they have either shown little at AFL level (Cook & Sholl) or have significant injury concerns (Hamill).

While those options remain open to us, the leverage of any club wanting to "screw us hard" is minimal.

Go back and read the part I quoted

I know exactly what we need to do before draft night but if we choose NOT to delist then our hand becomes weaker

Imagine going to Geelong and asking for 8 - their first and only offer will be 10,14 because they know if we dont take the deal we will be left with 10,14 and 20 - now yes we keep 10 and 14 but are stuck with 20

If we delist someone before Draft Night then we have the option of saying ''yeah nah'' and walking away

Slight difference but we hold a better hand.

Unless of course we Adelaide it and signal our desperation early