List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Walkingwounded]

Sturt was a victim of a winning AFL team, bloke led our goalscorers in the wafl for a reason

Just needs to score goals consistently, and put in defensive pressure.

It’s a simple game when you break it down to the fundamentals

 

[Quazar]

I'm not keen to write Sturt off JUST yet. Bloke has oodles of talent and just needs a look in now, he came off some chronic and disruptive injuries, played a fair bit last year and started finding some mojo towards the back end of it (albeit only at WAFL level)....he will have been told what to do. J-Lo is a clear and concise communicator.

Like Henry, this is an important season for them both because the squad is looking red-hot in terms of overall talent and someone will have to be delisted at season's end...can't keep them all, nature of the industry beast. Competition for spots has never been greater and even the draftees have to work their butts off to crack this team....the squad really has never been so deep I don't think, there's talent everywhere, but the forward line is the weakest area where spots are probably still up for grabs more than any other part of the field.

If they get their opportunities/call up....they need to strut their stuff, because they have the talent, they just need to apply it!

 

[Boomer93]

Sturt led our goal scorers in the wafl because he hardly left the goal square, and others played AFL or spent significant time injured.

I'm starting to think the people who rate Sturt haven't actually watched him. To make it at AFL level while not being a key forward you either have to be EXCEPTIONAL or apply pressure. He is neither.

Now I hope I'm proven wrong, but I doubt it.

 

[theGav56]

Boomer is right. Sturt led our wafl goal kicking because Longmuir wasn't happy with his defensive effort.

A big thing in Sturt's favour is Longmuir was very clear about that. Get it fixed and he'll get a game.

The player he was trying to push past last season was Banfield. In 2023 things have become a lot more difficult. As well as the medium forwards we recruited there is Fyfe, Erasmus and Johnson who could impact his possible selection.

 

[freo_leo29]

Sturt led our goal scorers in the wafl because he hardly left the goal square, and others played AFL or spent significant time injured.

I'm starting to think the people who rate Sturt haven't actually watched him. To make it at AFL level while not being a key forward you either have to be EXCEPTIONAL or apply pressure. He is neither.

Now I hope I'm proven wrong, but I doubt it.

I watched 90% of peel games, this simply isn't true, he roamed up to the wing often

Maybe you didn't watch him?

 

[Joao]

I seriously hope Erasmus and Johnson have nothing to do with Sturt's selection.

JL was very clear about it multiple times publically. Dude needs to chase and tackle. He'll either do it and probably play AFL and play well, or he'll get delisted.

 

[theGav56]

I seriously hope Erasmus and Johnson have nothing to do with Sturt's selection.

JL was very clear about it multiple times publically. Dude needs to chase and tackle. He'll either do it and probably play AFL and play well, or he'll get delisted.

Having players who can contribute via a forward-midfield rotation is pretty valuable. In the past we have had significant contributions from Walters and Fyfe, and of course Lobb has rolled into the ruck.

Next season maybe O'Meara does some of that, and perhaps Switkowski. Jackson certainly will, maybe with Fyfe.

I can't see any reason why we wouldn't want to be grooming either or both of Erasmus and Johnson into being capable of doing the same.

 

[blue shark]

Having players who can contribute via a forward-midfield rotation is pretty valuable. In the past we have had significant contributions from Walters and Fyfe, and of course Lobb has rolled into the ruck.

Next season maybe O'Meara does some of that, and perhaps Switkowski. Jackson certainly will, maybe with Fyfe.

I can't see any reason why we wouldn't want to be grooming either or both of Erasmus and Johnson into being capable of doing the same.

Team management is going to define how far we go this season.
Using the flanks and rotating players will be interesting.
I’d like to see some different moves than the obvious.
Serong should also be involved forward, a copy of Neale?
Brodie is probably the only player to play one position?
Dual players, where do you start and that flexibility is where we should
take advantage. Multiple combinations.

 

[theGav56]

Team management is going to define how far we go this season.
Using the flanks and rotating players will be interesting.
I’d like to see some different moves than the obvious.
Serong should also be involved forward, a copy of Neale?
Brodie is probably the only player to play one position?
Dual players, where do you start and that flexibility is where we should
take advantage. Multiple combinations.

I felt a bit sorry for Logue being shoved forward with very little prep for the role, but it definitely has a value to have multiple players who can plan different roles.

Rolling forward I think we have multiple players who can rest there and need minding, but not that many who are actually dangerous.

 

[wakojako]

I felt a bit sorry for Logue being shoved forward with very little prep for the role, but it definitely has a value to have multiple players who can plan different roles.

Rolling forward I think we have multiple players who can rest there and need minding, but not that many who are actually dangerous.

That's been our gameplan for a long time now. Shove players in there that are not natural forwards or rely on forwards that are injury prone. Luckily our list has definitely improved over the offseason.

 

[Boomer93]

I watched 90% of peel games, this simply isn't true, he roamed up to the wing often

Maybe you didn't watch him?

I exaggerated in my post. No player spends all their time in the actual goal square. He was the deepest player most of the time with other players like Treacy mainly playing CHF.

Who did we expect to out score him when he plays as the deepest tall most weeks and refuses to chase so he's always dangerous?

 

[pK75]

Team management is going to define how far we go this season.
Using the flanks and rotating players will be interesting.
I’d like to see some different moves than the obvious.
Serong should also be involved forward, a copy of Neale?
Brodie is probably the only player to play one position?
Dual players, where do you start and that flexibility is where we should
take advantage. Multiple combinations.

I like many aspects of this post.
In my opinion we are stacked for inside mids if all of Fyfe, JOM, Brodie, Brayshaw and Serong stay fit, plus I like Switowski running through there on occasion to mix things up.
It’s a long season and I’d like to see anyone in that group only playing 80% game time to keep them fresh, Brodie probably less than that. I’d also include the rucks, Darcy and Jackson in that 80% cap. My break down would look something like this:
Darcy: 60% ruck, 20% forward, 20% bench
Jackson: 40% Ruck, 40% forward, 20% bench
Fyfe: 40% mid (alternating with Brodie), 40% forward (sharing 3rd tall role with Jackson & Darcy), 20% bench
Brodie: 60% mid, 40% bench
JOM: 60% mid, 20% forward, 20% bench
Brayshaw; 60% mid, 20% wing 20% bench
Serong: 60% mid, 20% forward, 20% bench
Switowski:60% forward, 20% mid 20% bench.
Effectively, Jackson, Fyfe and Darcy take up one forward position. While Switowski, JOM and Serong take another forward position.
The 3 mid positions are any combination of Brayshaw, Brodie, Serong, JOM, Fyfe and Switowski.

 

[Superkoops]

I watched 90% of peel games, this simply isn't true, he roamed up to the wing often

Maybe you didn't watch him?

I watched a fair bit of peel as well and would concur. But there times he was stationed too deep. Not sure if this was under instruction and then after break would come running up the wing and get more involved.

My personal opinion is that Sturt is best suited to forward pocket that runs up the ground a bit (just behind the high half forward) and then uses his speed to run back towards the goals when missed on the lead-up. There are times when he works well isolated from the goal square as he is hard match-up on the lead. I think the problem I have noted is work rate both for i50 forward pressure and the timing for him being stationary vs roaming up outside 50.

He was late to footy and injuries have stunted his development. Having a full year in WAFL will do him the world of good but I felt the selectors missed an opportunity to bring him in for the injured Logue in the final home and away game against GWS.

Instead they went back to Banfield who wasn’t in great form. I’m sure the club had their reasons but giving him a taste would have really driven his pre-season.

 

[freo_leo29]

I watched a fair bit of peel as well and would concur. But there times he was stationed too deep. Not sure if this was under instruction and then after break would come running up the wing and get more involved.

My personal opinion is that Sturt is best suited to forward pocket that runs up the ground a bit (just behind the high half forward) and then uses his speed to run back towards the goals when missed on the lead-up. There are times when he works well isolated from the goal square as he is hard match-up on the lead. I think the problem I have noted is work rate both for i50 forward pressure and the timing for him being stationary vs roaming up outside 50.

He was late to footy and injuries have stunted his development. Having a full year in WAFL will do him the world of good but I felt the selectors missed an opportunity to bring him in for the injured Logue in the final home and away game against GWS.

Instead they went back to Banfield who wasn’t in great form. I’m sure the club had their reasons but giving him a taste would have really driven his pre-season.

Banfield was NIL and had been travelling as sub for the whole year so I see why he was rewarded, the only time we really went against that ethos was with amiss in the finals

This year it's a clean slate, hope to see Sturt in the side early proving all the doubters wrong

 

[Alfonz]

I seriously hope Erasmus and Johnson have nothing to do with Sturt's selection.

JL was very clear about it multiple times publically. Dude needs to chase and tackle. He'll either do it and probably play AFL and play well, or he'll get delisted.

But is JL actually correct? You don't need everybody to be a robotic tackling machine. Fritsch ... who Sturt often gets compared to based on physical attributes and playing style (not ability/output) ... is one of the worst forwards defensively in the competition, but was the main goal kicker in a premiership side.

JL is focused on defence and tackling and so forth. That's fine. But at some point you need to kick some bloody goals and he might have to compromise. Not saying Sturt can just abandon defence completely and expect to play, but if he is simply average to slightly below average in the chase/tackle department then I think that might be enough if he is able to kick goals. But I would say JL disagrees and would prefer someone who averages 1 goal and 5 tackles over someone getting 2 goals and 1 tackle.

 

[blue shark]

I like many aspects of this post.
In my opinion we are stacked for inside mids if all of Fyfe, JOM, Brodie, Brayshaw and Serong stay fit, plus I like Switowski running through there on occasion to mix things up.
It’s a long season and I’d like to see anyone in that group only playing 80% game time to keep them fresh, Brodie probably less than that. I’d also include the rucks, Darcy and Jackson in that 80% cap. My break down would look something like this:
Darcy: 60% ruck, 20% forward, 20% bench
Jackson: 40% Ruck, 40% forward, 20% bench
Fyfe: 40% mid (alternating with Brodie), 40% forward (sharing 3rd tall role with Jackson & Darcy), 20% bench
Brodie: 60% mid, 40% bench
JOM: 60% mid, 20% forward, 20% bench
Brayshaw; 60% mid, 20% wing 20% bench
Serong: 60% mid, 20% forward, 20% bench
Switowski:60% forward, 20% mid 20% bench.
Effectively, Jackson, Fyfe and Darcy take up one forward position. While Switowski, JOM and Serong take another forward position.
The 3 mid positions are any combination of Brayshaw, Brodie, Serong, JOM, Fyfe and Switowski.

Midfield speed will be questioned though during the year, no question we can play
a combative style.
I see you mentioned Switta and he is one of the players that offers a difference.
Johnson is another who has tested well in 20m sprints.
It would be interesting to see who has that explosive pace, instead of the usual
1-2km time trials. A player with both would be ideal.
Johnson has size on his side too, you can see why others were delisted.
Conrad Williams in time has that skill set and at185cm potentially could be a
steal.

 

[Docker82]

People can say what they like tbh but I watched most Peel games and thought Sturt looked a bit one dimensional.

I would like to see him be more involved in general play and also hit the scoreboard in different ways.

Given his game style in the WAFL last year I see him as an undersized KPF currently. He's a very good mark for his size but can he play that role at AFL level?

I'd like to see him get a bit few more touches of the ball and score a few more goals from open play tbh.

Thought he improved significantly in the last month or two of the season. Don't know why it took almost all season. He didn't miss many WAFL games at all.

 

[freo_leo29]

He was good all throughout the year, only problem was he kept missing goals

He kicks at his standard rate and he's had a 30 goal season, hopefully puts his kicking boots on next year

 

[theGav56]

I like many aspects of this post.
In my opinion we are stacked for inside mids if all of Fyfe, JOM, Brodie, Brayshaw and Serong stay fit, plus I like Switowski running through there on occasion to mix things up.
It’s a long season and I’d like to see anyone in that group only playing 80% game time to keep them fresh, Brodie probably less than that. I’d also include the rucks, Darcy and Jackson in that 80% cap. My break down would look something like this:
Darcy: 60% ruck, 20% forward, 20% bench
Jackson: 40% Ruck, 40% forward, 20% bench
Fyfe: 40% mid (alternating with Brodie), 40% forward (sharing 3rd tall role with Jackson & Darcy), 20% bench
Brodie: 60% mid, 40% bench
JOM: 60% mid, 20% forward, 20% bench
Brayshaw; 60% mid, 20% wing 20% bench
Serong: 60% mid, 20% forward, 20% bench
Switowski:60% forward, 20% mid 20% bench.
Effectively, Jackson, Fyfe and Darcy take up one forward position. While Switowski, JOM and Serong take another forward position.
The 3 mid positions are any combination of Brayshaw, Brodie, Serong, JOM, Fyfe and Switowski.

I'm happy to push some a bit harder then give them a game off while Erasmus and Johnson get an opportunity. Not sure what that means for rotations. I think there needs to be an active development plan for those two which includes best 22 time.

 

[Superkoops]

People can say what they like tbh but I watched most Peel games and thought Sturt looked a bit one dimensional.

I would like to see him be more involved in general play and also hit the scoreboard in different ways.

Given his game style in the WAFL last year I see him as an undersized KPF currently. He's a very good mark for his size but can he play that role at AFL level?

I'd like to see him get a bit few more touches of the ball and score a few more goals from open play tbh.

Thought he improved significantly in the last month or two of the season. Don't know why it took almost all season. He didn't miss many WAFL games at all.

Fair call. I agree that he went missing in games for long periods. He did seem to get missed by Peel players on the lead but on the majority I agree that too often he just let the play happen and didn’t hunt the ball enough. He had a good patch mid season then a real average few weeks where everyone was getting stuck into him and he picked off a few good weeks at the end. One game kicked zero goals four behinds and a couple out of the full and another week kicked 4 goals 1 behind all in the first half.

He really needs to step up this season and I agree with you that he needs to lift his work rate and get more of the ball.

 

[Joao]

Having players who can contribute via a forward-midfield rotation is pretty valuable. In the past we have had significant contributions from Walters and Fyfe, and of course Lobb has rolled into the ruck.

Next season maybe O'Meara does some of that, and perhaps Switkowski. Jackson certainly will, maybe with Fyfe.

I can't see any reason why we wouldn't want to be grooming either or both of Erasmus and Johnson into being capable of doing the same.

Resting forward or doing a flank that comes up to the ball is totally different to what Sturt does. Erasmus could have a crack at what Fyfe does or JOM is likely to do but he 100% should not be spending 50%+ of the game forward in a roll similar to Sturt.

But is JL actually correct? You don't need everybody to be a robotic tackling machine. Fritsch ... who Sturt often gets compared to based on physical attributes and playing style (not ability/output) ... is one of the worst forwards defensively in the competition, but was the main goal kicker in a premiership side.

JL is focused on defence and tackling and so forth. That's fine. But at some point you need to kick some bloody goals and he might have to compromise. Not saying Sturt can just abandon defence completely and expect to play, but if he is simply average to slightly below average in the chase/tackle department then I think that might be enough if he is able to kick goals. But I would say JL disagrees and would prefer someone who averages 1 goal and 5 tackles over someone getting 2 goals and 1 tackle.

I suspect he is too conservative, or at least has been so far. He openly admitted the ball movement was trash in the second half of the year so I have some hope something might change but I think he'll always be a defensive coach.

That said, my issue with Sturt not defending isn't so much that I don't think you can carry a player like that (i.e. Fritsch), it's more that it directly opposes the team mantra/culture. Chasing and tackling is easy and if you don't have the fortitude to work your ass off, I am not sure Freo is for you. There is no reason he can't chase blokes, he is choosing not to.

 

[Dockeroo]

After several years of watching AFL, Whoever I hear of lads that need to simply “improve their workrate” or “apply more pressure” or “lay more tackles” in order to match their perceived natural talent, I'm afraid it’s a big red flag. Not too many of those types suddenly flick a switch and become good pressure forwards.
There’s a real disrespect amongst the general afl fanbase around the value of high pressure players. Switta is a good example. It’s as if people think that applying pressure to the elite level is a lesser skill, that could simply be done by anyone who wants to badly enough. There’s this idea that some maverick talents are hard done by because they may not chase and close down opposition players as much but they are better pure footballers.
Applying elite pressure requires aerobic talent that many players just don’t have in their capability.
The reality at AFL coachland is that that amount of players you can carry in an AFL team if they are not applying sufficient opposition pressure can be counted on the fingers of both hands in the entire league. Sam Sturt definitely isn’t one of them.
Banfield was getting games ahead of him. Hardly a high pressure, defenders nightmare either is he? I’d say Bailey just applies league average levels of pressure (if even that) yet it was enough to get him game time ahead of Sturt…

 

[blue shark]

Fair call. I agree that he went missing in games for long periods. He did seem to get missed by Peel players on the lead but on the majority I agree that too often he just let the play happen and didn’t hunt the ball enough. He had a good patch mid season then a real average few weeks where everyone was getting stuck into him and he picked off a few good weeks at the end. One game kicked zero goals four behinds and a couple out of the full and another week kicked 4 goals 1 behind all in the first half.

He really needs to step up this season and I agree with you that he needs to lift his work rate and get more of the ball.

Without structure though the small to medium guys are limited.
Both Peel and Freo’s forward lines won’t be at their best without a CHF and FF.
Last year we were missing Tabs, Amiss, Treacy, and Kreuk at times.
This year the depth in KP’s is like chalk and cheese.
Best scenario both teams have options, and the small to medium players are
more involved.
Peels spine looks the goods, and you can see why Broadbent is looking to switch
clubs.

 

[Paracleet]

People can say what they like tbh but I watched most Peel games and thought Sturt looked a bit one dimensional.

I would like to see him be more involved in general play and also hit the scoreboard in different ways.

Given his game style in the WAFL last year I see him as an undersized KPF currently. He's a very good mark for his size but can he play that role at AFL level?

I'd like to see him get a bit few more touches of the ball and score a few more goals from open play tbh.

Thought he improved significantly in the last month or two of the season. Don't know why it took almost all season. He didn't miss many WAFL games at all.

I agree he looked miles off AFL standard for most of the season. Undoubtedly very talented and I thought showed it in the last 2 or three games.

Will have to be a flanker at AFL level due to lack of core strength and a knack for bodying opponents. Means a further lift in running and defensive intent even over what he showed in his improved phase at the end of the season.

Can make it ar AFL if he can bring the effort as he is so tall and athletic he'd be a nightmare for the 6th defender.

 

[FreoRicci]

People can say what they like tbh but I watched most Peel games and thought Sturt looked a bit one dimensional.

I would like to see him be more involved in general play and also hit the scoreboard in different ways.

Given his game style in the WAFL last year I see him as an undersized KPF currently. He's a very good mark for his size but can he play that role at AFL level?

I'd like to see him get a bit few more touches of the ball and score a few more goals from open play tbh.

Thought he improved significantly in the last month or two of the season. Don't know why it took almost all season. He didn't miss many WAFL games at all.

That's the word. One dimensional.
Sturt actually has speed and underrated at that. Just doesn't use well enough and like to hover around the forward half. Schulz kicked 30 goals as a small forward. Don't think Sturt can match that the way he plays. He needs to up his game and fair enough.
He has to push out Frederick, who is like the barometer of the forward line/team in the work he does. As well as Switkowski. Even Walters' pressure and work rate toward the back end of the season was elite.
Jl will be training heavily offensively in the pre season and faster ball movement with intent. Sturt isn't close to that.