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Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant
 
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wakojako said:
I don't see why not, he is ooc and would instantly make our team better. If he won't cost too much seems like a no brainer.
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I feel like he'd cost a lot though, he's one of their better players for sure
 
Im still really worried that Treacy can barely hit the score board. Even in the trouncing of the Weagles he didnt
 
Anyone have the Paul Hasleby Sean Darcy Article text?
 

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Polo342 said:
Im still really worried that Treacy can barely hit the score board. Even in the trouncing of the Weagles he didnt
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He wasn’t playing deep. The forward line plan yesterday was to isolate the small defenders. The talls would lead up and Freddy and a few others would push deep. He was very strong and impactful.
 

Paul Hasleby: Breaking down the pros and cons of Fremantle Dockers keeping Sean Darcy


Mitchell WoodcockThe West Australian
Sat, 12 August 2023 6:00PM

Let’s address the elephant in the room – the curious case of Sean Darcy.
The ruckman is out of contract and a restricted free agent at the end of next year and where he plays his future football could be one of the most crucial decisions in club history. For both parties there is a lot to consider. Let’s break it down.

1. Darcy deserves a big payday
Make no mistake about it, Darcy is one of the best ruckman in the competition and he is entering his prime. Good ruckman are hard to find, the ones of Darcy’s calibre are even harder. So there is little doubt that he deserves a long deal worth big money, like that of Max Gawn, Luke Jackson, Brodie Grundy or a Tim English.

2. Culturally Darcy is good for the Dockers
Along with fellow Victorians Caleb Serong and Andy Brayshaw, the trio have been vital as the next generation of leaders pushing through to drive standards and commitment to the club.

3. Can the Dockers afford to lose another key player?
While it can’t be entirely to blame on the Dockers’ dip in 2023, but the loss of several key players last year in Rory Lobb, Blake Acres, Darcy Tucker, Griffin Logue and Lloyd Meek has had an impact. So it must be asked if another turnover of senior players could have a similar effect. Losing Darcy, a well-established and loved player both inside and outside of the club could cause ripples that affect a push for finals in 2024.

4. Can two dominant ruckman work together?
This is probably the main question going forward. At Melbourne Gawn and Grundy has been a great test case. All parties had the best intentions to make the combination work. However, the Demons have been a far better team since dropping Grundy and selecting a key forward as his replacement. Jackson is the second-highest rated ruckman in the competition per 100 minutes, only behind Gawn. At the age of 21, Jackson is on target to be the best big man in the competition as a ruckman. He has shown some glimpses as a key forward this year but many believe his best footy will be as a ruckman. This is the dilemma for the Dockers.

5. Who is the better ruckman – Jackson or Darcy?
It is a tough question because they are different types of ruckmen. Jackson is your prototype modern-day ruckman who is athletic, clean below his knees, spreads well and applies significant pressure. Darcy is more of the beast-type ruckman who dominates the hit-outs, takes contested marks and impacts contests. Jackson has shown some glimpses as a key forward this year but many believe his best footy will be in that position. Will Darcy want to play second fiddle to Jackson or at best 60 per cent in the ruck when other clubs can offer an unchallenged No.1 ruck role?

6. Can the Dockers afford to match the offers from other clubs?.
Darcy will command offers of around $800,000 a season for potentially five to six years. If Harry Himmelberg can receive a six-year deal then the same applies to Darcy. This would equate to roughly $1.7m between the two ruckmen. That is a significant amount of the salary cap and in my opinion is not smart list management considering both are more suited in the ruck position.

7. Is that money better spent on a key forward?
If the Dockers have that kind of cash in their salary cap, it probably would be better off being spent elsewhere. Right now the Dockers need a big key forward to partner Jye Amiss, who is just finishing his second season and cannot yet be expected to carry the load of being the main man. Key forward targets Aaron Naughton, Logan McDonald and Jacob Van Rooyen would provide a better-balanced team.

8. Will Darcy’s body hold up for another six years?
Darcy might be just 25 but the way he plays his football is already taking a toll on his body. Over the last five-years Darcy has played 83 of a possible 113 games. His body type is different to some of the great ruckman of the past who have had long durable careers.

9. Will he accept a two-year deal?
Another option could be for the Dockers to offer Darcy a two year deal that would give them some time to test if Darcy and Jackson could work. The realistic situation is that it would be crazy for Darcy and his manager to not secure his long-term future while he is a dominant force in the AFL.

10. Do you sign him and deal with the consequences later?
The other option is to give Darcy the long-term, big money deal and just deal with the rest later. This would be a similar situation to Collingwood and Melbourne who could look to offload Grundy at seasons end. Unfortunately, when this happens the club looking to offload the player doesn’t have the same leverage at the trade table. If Fremantle were to trade Darcy his value would be at the highest right now and could be a way to trade back into the first round of this year’s draft. With Liam Henry also a chance to leave at seasons end could the Dockers turn those two players into a high enough draft selection to secure Claremont’s Daniel Curtin who some have likened to Matthew Pavlich.
Either way a big decision must be made which could have major ramifications for Fremantle.
 
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Polo342 said:
Im still really worried that Treacy can barely hit the score board. Even in the trouncing of the Weagles he didnt
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Fair call

I thought he played the high half forward / centre half forward role / 2nd ruck role well last night

Another almost night with getting his hands to a lot, but not clunking


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Dayts said:
Yeo looked really good for them last night, best by a mile!
Young’s locked into the middle now. If there was any truths to the he wants out rumors, I’d love to grab him.
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Our back line is sometimes shaky. I think it’s our weakest line at the moment, aside from wingers. Though the latter is improving.
 
Dayts said:
Yeo looked really good for them last night, best by a mile!
Young’s locked into the middle now. If there was any truths to the he wants out rumors, I’d love to grab him.
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He was basically so far ahead of any of the other WC players it’s not funny. For cheap I am definitely keen so he can take Young’s backline spot
 

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Paul Hasleby: Breaking down the pros and cons of Fremantle Dockers keeping Sean Darcy​


Mitchell WoodcockThe West Australian
Sat, 12 August 2023 6:00PM

Let’s address the elephant in the room – the curious case of Sean Darcy.
The ruckman is out of contract and a restricted free agent at the end of next year and where he plays his future football could be one of the most crucial decisions in club history. For both parties there is a lot to consider. Let’s break it down.

1. Darcy deserves a big payday
Make no mistake about it, Darcy is one of the best ruckman in the competition and he is entering his prime. Good ruckman are hard to find, the ones of Darcy’s calibre are even harder. So there is little doubt that he deserves a long deal worth big money, like that of Max Gawn, Luke Jackson, Brodie Grundy or a Tim English.

2. Culturally Darcy is good for the Dockers
Along with fellow Victorians Caleb Serong and Andy Brayshaw, the trio have been vital as the next generation of leaders pushing through to drive standards and commitment to the club.

3. Can the Dockers afford to lose another key player?
While it can’t be entirely to blame on the Dockers’ dip in 2023, but the loss of several key players last year in Rory Lobb, Blake Acres, Darcy Tucker, Griffin Logue and Lloyd Meek has had an impact. So it must be asked if another turnover of senior players could have a similar effect. Losing Darcy, a well-established and loved player both inside and outside of the club could cause ripples that affect a push for finals in 2024.

4. Can two dominant ruckman work together?
This is probably the main question going forward. At Melbourne Gawn and Grundy has been a great test case. All parties had the best intentions to make the combination work. However, the Demons have been a far better team since dropping Grundy and selecting a key forward as his replacement. Jackson is the second-highest rated ruckman in the competition per 100 minutes, only behind Gawn. At the age of 21, Jackson is on target to be the best big man in the competition as a ruckman. He has shown some glimpses as a key forward this year but many believe his best footy will be as a ruckman. This is the dilemma for the Dockers.

5. Who is the better ruckman – Jackson or Darcy?
It is a tough question because they are different types of ruckmen. Jackson is your prototype modern-day ruckman who is athletic, clean below his knees, spreads well and applies significant pressure. Darcy is more of the beast-type ruckman who dominates the hit-outs, takes contested marks and impacts contests. Jackson has shown some glimpses as a key forward this year but many believe his best footy will be in that position. Will Darcy want to play second fiddle to Jackson or at best 60 per cent in the ruck when other clubs can offer an unchallenged No.1 ruck role?

6. Can the Dockers afford to match the offers from other clubs?.
Darcy will command offers of around $800,000 a season for potentially five to six years. If Harry Himmelberg can receive a six-year deal then the same applies to Darcy. This would equate to roughly $1.7m between the two ruckmen. That is a significant amount of the salary cap and in my opinion is not smart list management considering both are more suited in the ruck position.

7. Is that money better spent on a key forward?
If the Dockers have that kind of cash in their salary cap, it probably would be better off being spent elsewhere. Right now the Dockers need a big key forward to partner Jye Amiss, who is just finishing his second season and cannot yet be expected to carry the load of being the main man. Key forward targets Aaron Naughton, Logan McDonald and Jacob Van Rooyen would provide a better-balanced team.

8. Will Darcy’s body hold up for another six years?
Darcy might be just 25 but the way he plays his football is already taking a toll on his body. Over the last five-years Darcy has played 83 of a possible 113 games. His body type is different to some of the great ruckman of the past who have had long durable careers.

9. Will he accept a two-year deal?
Another option could be for the Dockers to offer Darcy a two year deal that would give them some time to test if Darcy and Jackson could work. The realistic situation is that it would be crazy for Darcy and his manager to not secure his long-term future while he is a dominant force in the AFL.

10. Do you sign him and deal with the consequences later?
The other option is to give Darcy the long-term, big money deal and just deal with the rest later. This would be a similar situation to Collingwood and Melbourne who could look to offload Grundy at seasons end. Unfortunately, when this happens the club looking to offload the player doesn’t have the same leverage at the trade table. If Fremantle were to trade Darcy his value would be at the highest right now and could be a way to trade back into the first round of this year’s draft. With Liam Henry also a chance to leave at seasons end could the Dockers turn those two players into a high enough draft selection to secure Claremont’s Daniel Curtin who some have likened to Matthew Pavlich.
Either way a big decision must be made which could have major ramifications for Fremantle.
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Hits all the points, surprisingly. Freo have a really tough decision to make but you can’t deny Jackson’s form the last three weeks. At the very least I want Jacko on ball as much as humanly possible
 
Snuffaluphagus said:
Hits all the points, surprisingly. Freo have a really tough decision to make but you can’t deny Jackson’s form the last three weeks. At the very least I want Jacko on ball as much as humanly possible
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The ideal partner for Jackson ironically would be your Rory Lobb type. Someone who can take up to 30/40% of the ruck and play foward the rest. Whereas with Darcy it limits the flexibility a little.

They are still an effective combo however and for this (plus I remain unconvinced Jackson as a ruck will be consistently getting the better of the comps top rucks) and the sake of culture and continuity every reasonal effort must be made to retain Darcy. Reasonable here meaning not overpaying or too long a contract.
 
I think most of what Jackson is doing well is because he is where the ruck contest was, not really that he was in it or what he did in it. I think his ground ball game translates exceptionally well 2m over to starting beside a ruckman who can put it to him on the move knowing his reach is unbeatable.
 
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