List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Madas]

I think most of what Jackson is doing well is because he is where the ruck contest was, not really that he was in it or what he did in it. I think his ground ball game translates exceptionally well 2m over to starting beside a ruckman who can put it to him on the move knowing his reach is unbeatable.

This GIF has never been so apt

 

[Purpletown]

Yeo looked really good for them last night, best by a mile!
Young’s locked into the middle now. If there was any truths to the he wants out rumors, I’d love to grab him.

Yoe has been a very good player and played OK last night but he is way too old and injury prone to trade in. Leave him where he is.

 

[wakojako]

Anyone know if Collard was injured yesterday? Only got 3 disposals.

 

[BettercallSaul]

I’m in the keep Darcy camp. Some oppo rucks he will match up better and some maybe Jacko Will. Because they are so different in styles it will work.

 

[pK75]

IMO the forward line is almost set, now Sturt has been given a run of games and is starting to deliver consistently we have found a good balance of talls/smalls, especially if you consider Frederick as more a medium than a small (he definitely halved more marking contests than Walters when stationed at FF yesterday)
If we stick with two talls (Amiss and Treacy) two mediums (Sturt and Frederick) and two smalls (Walters and Schultz) we have a balanced forward line, with cameos from resting ruck (Jackson or Darcy) or resting Mid (Switowski, JOM, Erasmus or MJ) we can mix up the blend to maximise mismatch’s of the opposing back line. I am firmly of the belief that Switowski is a mid and not a forward.
With this in mind a Walters replacement should be our number 1 priority, whether that’s through trade (Brockman) or draft (Collard, Sanchez) doesn’t really bother me.
I will add one of the most pleasing aspects of yesterday’s win was mids backing themselves to take o shot from 50 (MJ, Aish and Erasmus all scoring goals) as it opens up the forward 50 when defenders have to run out to meet them instead of just tying to intercept the pass inside.

 

[Lach72]

Anyone know if Collard was injured yesterday? Only got 3 disposals.

If you check his stats he has a few games like that.

But when he’s on…

 

[BettercallSaul]

If you check his stats he has a few games like that.

But when he’s on…

More reason he should still be there around our picks.

 

[Feathercap]

I mean I get it but is Treacy ever going to be that 2-3 goal a game forward when he struggles to even get 1 a game now?

Also I would have thought our forward line is the worst of all positions talent wise. I suppose its just my oppinion though

I think the argument goes that if you have Amiss (19) and Jackson (21) as forwards they are actually the two best young key positions prospects in the comp - can't really name another i'd prefer. Treacy also has a lot of talent. We then have the mighty taberner in reserves for another couple of years, so I don't think for KPP talent we lack too bad - if anything we are in good shape for the first time in a decade.

Smalls is another matter - need an elite small of the Cameron, Rachele ilk.

 

[Feathercap]

How did we go with all those years of Sandi dominance.,
All the good teams would shark his midfielders.
As great as sani was.

We were pretty blood good in the centre - made a grandy. Prime Fyfe, prime Mundy, Crowley, Barlow, Hill Sandilands and then the honest toilers was a pretty fearsome mid brigade

 

[Serongnthnks4allthefish]

Trading Darcy would be silly, he's worth the money. Now if he does want to go back to Geelong at some point, we extract everything we can for him, but no way should the club be shopping him.

 

[Dockeroo]

Darcy is already earning $750k this year, and next. For the people saying $800k is too much for him…

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

With this in mind a Walters replacement should be our number 1 priority, whether that’s through trade (Brockman) or draft (Collard, Sanchez) doesn’t really bother me.

I hope we do both. Switta can be upgraded up there, we know the goals we are getting from him now and it's enough as a permanent forward and like you said, Walters is moving towards the end. Between Brockman and any of the quality smalls around our pick this year we should close to guarantee one more small forward with genuine forward craft

 

[Paracleet]

Trading Darcy would be silly, he's worth the money. Now if he does want to go back to Geelong at some point, we extract everything we can for him, but no way should the club be shopping him.

He's from near Cobden and the family concern is presumably still there.
Unless he is keen on a three hour plus commute every weekday I'm not sure how much more of an attraction Geelong would be for him over any Melbourne team.

(Other the Saints I suppose. On that topic who can imagine thinking moving out basically to Frankston was going to not be a recruitment disincentive for the sizeable majority of Melbourn based players who happen to not be to from the South East fringe.

 

[greatgatsby]

He's from near Cobden and the family concern is presumably still there.
Unless he is keen on a three hour plus commute every weekday I'm not sure how much more of an attraction Geelong would be for him over any Melbourne team.

(Other the Saints I suppose. On that topic who can imagine thinking moving out basically to Frankston was going to not be a recruitment disincentive for the sizeable majority of Melbourn based players who happen to not be to from the South East fringe.

They probably thought Frankston would count as the Mornington Peninsula, which is desirable.

 

[fnerd]

So cause jacko who’s essentially an average ruckman but makes up for it by ridiculous mobility around the dominates a couple of D grade ruckman and all of a sudden we should Trade Darcy?
Fmd

 

[Waterhouzin]

To change topic from trading Darcy (please no!!!), if we do lose Henry at the end of the year what are thoughts on Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

27

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

as a ready made replacement? Seem to be very similar style players n he’s out of favour with the Blues at the moment. Supposedly has a mid range wage, 2 year contract at the moment they may want to offload, could be got on the cheap leaving some change left over from losing Henry. To clarify I’d also be upset if Henry goes as well !!


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

 

[Superkoops]

To change topic from trading Darcy (please no!!!), if we do lose Henry at the end of the year what are thoughts on Zac Fisher as a ready made replacement? Seem to be very similar style players n he’s out of favour with the Blues at the moment. Supposedly has a mid range wage, 2 year contract at the moment they may want to offload, could be got on the cheap leaving some change left over from losing Henry. To clarify I’d also be upset if Henry goes as well !!


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

Not fussed on Fisher. Carlton website has him listed at 175cm and still very wiry.

Liam Henry not tall either but listed at 180cm. Also quite wiry but each year he adds a bit of size.

Fisher also 25 yrs old as compared to Henry currently 21. I’d target a wing if Henry does go.

Dylan Stephens would be my no. 1 Target. I guess ole Sharpe is another but concerns me that he hasn’t played a single AFL game all year.

 

[Madas]

I’m in the keep Darcy camp. Some oppo rucks he will match up better and some maybe Jacko Will. Because they are so different in styles it will work.

Agree
Perhaps it would be easier for everyone if we just change the title of Jacksons role from Ruck to any of the following:

Oversized Midfielder
Forward
Ruck Forward
Unicorn

Then when you put it that way you are getting 4 players rolled into one in Jackson therefore he’s a bargain and we can pay Darcy good $ based on him being one of the best rucks in the comp .

I also agree that we get better longevity out of them if they share the role

 

[Superkoops]

Agree
Perhaps it would be easier for everyone if we just change the title of Jacksons role from Ruck to any of the following
Oversized Midfielder
Forward
Ruck Forward
Unicorn

Then when you put it that way you are getting 4 players rolled into one in Jackson therefore he’s a bargain and we can pay Darcy good $ based on him being one of the best rucks in the comp .

I also agree that we get better longevity out of them if they share the role

It won’t be easy but Darcy needs to slim down a bit. It will help with his lower leg injuries and also help him cover the ground better. Darcy actually plays quite well in the forward line and I’d expect him to play 70/30 ruck/forward with some time on the bench. Jackson to play around 40 (30% time Darcy is forward and an additional 10% or so whilst Darcy is on the bench). The rest of the game LJ plays ruck rover and mobile forward. He can also take ruck taps i50 whilst playing mobile forward. LJ is a very different proposition to Gawn and Grundy. Whereas Darcy is more in the mould of of the two Demons where he is no. 1 ruckman with short stints in the forward line.

The versatility of LJ makes this work well as we saw better run prior to the bye. After the bye Darcy was out injured and when he returned he wasn’t the same player. We only saw brief snippets of the LJ ruck rover and I’d expect we see a lot more in 2024.

 

[Dockeroo]

He's from near Cobden and the family concern is presumably still there.
Unless he is keen on a three hour plus commute every weekday I'm not sure how much more of an attraction Geelong would be for him over any Melbourne team.

(Other the Saints I suppose. On that topic who can imagine thinking moving out basically to Frankston was going to not be a recruitment disincentive for the sizeable majority of Melbourn based players who happen to not be to from the South East fringe.

The saints are based in Moorabbin?
I think you might be mistakenly thinking they are still out near Seaford - moved from there a few years ago.
In fact, hawthorn will be further south east than Saints when they complete their move to Dingley.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

It won’t be easy but Darcy needs to slim down a bit. It will help with his lower leg injuries and also help him cover the ground better. Darcy actually plays quite well in the forward line and I’d expect him to play 70/30 ruck/forward with some time on the bench. Jackson to play around 40 (30% time Darcy is forward and an additional 10% or so whilst Darcy is on the bench). The rest of the game LJ plays ruck rover and mobile forward. He can also take ruck taps i50 whilst playing mobile forward. LJ is a very different proposition to Gawn and Grundy. Whereas Darcy is more in the mould of of the two Demons where he is no. 1 ruckman with short stints in the forward line.

The versatility of LJ makes this work well as we saw better run prior to the bye. After the bye Darcy was out injured and when he returned he wasn’t the same player. We only saw brief snippets of the LJ ruck rover and I’d expect we see a lot more in 2024.

Yeah Jackson/Darcy defo isn't a Gawn/Grundy situation: media people making that comparison are huffing cans of Dulux. Issue is that I think the splits you're mentioning get about 80%ish out of each player's best, and ideally you want to be able to get the best out of your best players, especially when they're gonna get paid All Australian money.

That doesn't mean 80%ish of Darcy's and Jackson's respective bests isn't the best overall result for the team: none of the gettable WA tall fwds, Logan, Naughton, Georgiades or van Rooyen (we're stretching the meaning of "gettable" here) are Charlie Dixon types, coz that's the sort of fwd-ruck presence you'd want to trade Darcy for if you wanted to commit to Jackson #1 ruck (Naughton is the closest to being that with his athleticism, but he's still not that type). But it probably means when Darcy's at the negotiating table, there has to be a number at which point Freo go "nah we got Jackson, we're not paying that" (imo it's when we start approaching 7 figures).

 

[Superkoops]

Yeah Jackson/Darcy defo isn't a Gawn/Grundy situation: media people making that comparison are huffing cans of Dulux. Issue is that I think the splits you're mentioning get about 80%ish out of each player's best, and ideally you want to be able to get the best out of your best players, especially when they're gonna get paid All Australian money.

That doesn't mean 80%ish of Darcy's and Jackson's respective bests isn't the best overall result for the team: none of the gettable WA tall fwds, Logan, Naughton, Georgiades or van Rooyen (we're stretching the meaning of "gettable" here) are Charlie Dixon types, coz that's the sort of fwd-ruck presence you'd want to trade Darcy for if you wanted to commit to Jackson #1 ruck (Naughton is the closest to being that with his athleticism, but he's still not that type). But it probably means when Darcy's at the negotiating table, there has to be a number at which point Freo go "nah we got Jackson, we're not paying that" (imo it's when we start approaching 7 figures).

JL summed it up in his presser pretty well. LJ when he starts clunking marks around the ground and up forward will be a hard match-up. I see him playing well as a forward. Just double touching those marks at the moment. Some stay in hands others give the defender the opportunity to spoil.

 

[Madas]

JL summed it up in his presser pretty well. LJ when he starts clunking marks around the ground and up forward will be a hard match-up. I see him playing well as a forward. Just double touching those marks at the moment. Some stay in hands others give the defender the opportunity to spoil.

Exactly
As Sibasodo said
We need a Dixon , Lynch , Walker , Hawkins …But Jackson could become that Forward that we need , so why bother chasing rainbows when you’ve got a unicorn in your back yard .

So Freo , pony up , lock in Darcy and let’s get on with it

 

[Purple Jesus]

Shortsighted and short memories to suggest trading Darcy because we have Jackson.

Look back to our three games or so before the bye when we saw Triple J in action.

That was only possible because we had Darcy rucking.

 

[wakojako]

Shortsighted and short memories to suggest trading Darcy because we have Jackson.

Look back to our three games or so before the bye when we saw Triple J in action.

That was only possible because we had Darcy rucking.

The same people will complain that Treacy doesn't score enough because he is too busy rucking.