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Better Loosen Up said:
They're getting really angry on the WC board.

It's like someone tripped over a hornets nest.

If they are so certain about taking Reid, why spend all their time talking trade scenarios?

Makes no sense...
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I actually find the west coast board ok. They can take a joke. Give it back. No harm no foul.

The hawks board on the other hand.

Of the hypocrisy and pettiness. Particularly from the worlds worst mod.

They have a thread titled “hypothetical trade discussion and shinbeggar talk”

Doesn’t say no other supporters can discuss.

I post a simple hypothetical about whether the shinbeggars should bid on McCabe at 15 or 7 if we get it.

I get some heat, some genuine discussion. No problems.

Then I get a PM from a feee speech loving hawk saying my post was ammended by a mod to something I clearly did say.

Talk about a glass jaw. Did just what the thread title said, didn’t insult anyone, infact I talked up the father son selection for the hawks.
 
the big lebowski said:
I actually find the west coast board ok. They can take a joke. Give it back. No harm no foul.

The hawks board on the other hand.

Of the hypocrisy and pettiness. Particularly from the worlds worst mod.

They have a thread titled “hypothetical trade discussion and shinbeggar talk”

Doesn’t say no other supporters can discuss.

I post a simple hypothetical about whether the shinbeggars should bid on McCabe at 15 or 7 if we get it.

I get some heat, some genuine discussion. No problems.

Then I get a PM from a feee speech loving hawk saying my post was ammended by a mod to something I clearly did say.

Talk about a glass jaw. Did just what the thread title said, didn’t insult anyone, infact I talked up the father son selection for the hawks.
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You only need to listen to their flipping whinging over the compo the last couple of days to see how self-entitled Hawks supporters and club are. They are spoilt. Their club has been pretty amazing, success wise, for like 6 decades.
Like most club's supporters, they are complete gold fish when it comes to assistance too. They got kissed on the dick to even get Buddy/Roughy combo in the first place, then they had others too didn't they? Jordan Lewis? Or someone else.
They were also one of the clubs offering BMac stupid money to join them, which ironically boosted the FA compo, but "wah wah wah....reasons"
Let's not even talk about the disgraceful racism investigation and how they handled that and were happy to throw a 4 time premiership coach under the bus. I've lost a lot of respect for Hawthorn over that and I held them in pretty high regard, if not begrudgingly.
They've shown their true colours as a club.
 

West Coast Eagles have first genuine dance of AFL trade period as North Melbourne mount up​

Glen Quartermain
The West Australian

Wed, 11 October 2023

West Coast has had its first genuine dance of the trade period.
The big problem was North Melbourne wanted to slow waltz and the Eagles are only interested in a breakdance with laser lights, gyrating disco balls and Darude’s Sandstorm playing in the background.
In the first real game of bluff for either of the WA clubs, North Melbourne came after the Eagles’ prized pick one, but were unwilling to part with either of their top two picks. West Coast wants at least one of them, maybe both.

The Roos offered 14, 18 and 21 for this year as well as an end-of-first-round for next in a bid to secure West Coast’s pick one to the used on Victorian young gun Harley Reid.

It was a short dance.

Melbourne, meanwhile, finally stepped on to to the dance floor in the white suit worn by Tony Manero, aka John Travolta, in Saturday Night Fever and proceeded to lay down the Brooklyn Shuffle.

The Demons were part of a four-club trade that has them holding pick six, which they received from Fremantle last year for Luke Jackson, and 11 from Gold Coast.

Six and 11 might make one. Let’s dance, they said to West Coast.

Sydney was not even interested in dancing. The Swans, inspired by the Christian name of their best-and-fairest winner Errol Gulden, came in swinging from a chandelier and swooped up Brodie Grundy from Melbourne and Taylor Adams from Collingwood.

Grundy went first, with Melbourne landing the No.46 pick and a future second-rounder for the ruck.

His former teammate Adams followed in a swap with Collingwood for pick 33.

It only took half an hour and the Swans were out the window and into the night, booty under the arm.

In another corner sat a forlorn Hawthorn, in the loneliest seat of all. Pick three that is expected to ultimately slide to five. No one wants to dance with the Hawks just yet.

Meanwhile, back in the wild West, Lachie Schultz is more of a boot scootin’ boogie type.

Before he opens with a dosey doe and a ‘later’ to Freo, the Dockers have to deal with Collingwood.

Adams’ departure creates a golden brick road of salary cap space for the Pies to sign Schultz on a four-year deal with a trigger for a fifth and industry sources suggest they might be prepared to part with pick 19 for the small forward.

That should be enough to get the deal done.

Ladies and gentlemen take your partners.
 

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krakouers said:

West Coast Eagles have first genuine dance of AFL trade period as North Melbourne mount up​

Glen Quartermain
The West Australian

Wed, 11 October 2023

West Coast has had its first genuine dance of the trade period.
The big problem was North Melbourne wanted to slow waltz and the Eagles are only interested in a breakdance with laser lights, gyrating disco balls and Darude’s Sandstorm playing in the background.
In the first real game of bluff for either of the WA clubs, North Melbourne came after the Eagles’ prized pick one, but were unwilling to part with either of their top two picks. West Coast wants at least one of them, maybe both.

The Roos offered 14, 18 and 21 for this year as well as an end-of-first-round for next in a bid to secure West Coast’s pick one to the used on Victorian young gun Harley Reid.

It was a short dance.

Melbourne, meanwhile, finally stepped on to to the dance floor in the white suit worn by Tony Manero, aka John Travolta, in Saturday Night Fever and proceeded to lay down the Brooklyn Shuffle.

The Demons were part of a four-club trade that has them holding pick six, which they received from Fremantle last year for Luke Jackson, and 11 from Gold Coast.

Six and 11 might make one. Let’s dance, they said to West Coast.

Sydney was not even interested in dancing. The Swans, inspired by the Christian name of their best-and-fairest winner Errol Gulden, came in swinging from a chandelier and swooped up Brodie Grundy from Melbourne and Taylor Adams from Collingwood.

Grundy went first, with Melbourne landing the No.46 pick and a future second-rounder for the ruck.

His former teammate Adams followed in a swap with Collingwood for pick 33.

It only took half an hour and the Swans were out the window and into the night, booty under the arm.

In another corner sat a forlorn Hawthorn, in the loneliest seat of all. Pick three that is expected to ultimately slide to five. No one wants to dance with the Hawks just yet.

Meanwhile, back in the wild West, Lachie Schultz is more of a boot scootin’ boogie type.

Before he opens with a dosey doe and a ‘later’ to Freo, the Dockers have to deal with Collingwood.

Adams’ departure creates a golden brick road of salary cap space for the Pies to sign Schultz on a four-year deal with a trigger for a fifth and industry sources suggest they might be prepared to part with pick 19 for the small forward.

That should be enough to get the deal done.

Ladies and gentlemen take your partners.
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I wouldn’t even walk with the eagles. Catch up with ya!
 
New_Roo said:
They aren't going to take 5 into the draft. Two or 3. At least 2 of 15,17,18 will change hands

Who would you pick at 15,17,18 as there would only be Murphy left at that stage and he is a long way of it


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I don't think Murphy lasts to our 15 (which will be 19+ after academy and father-son picks). He seems to be ranked around 13-14.
 
LB2Snake said:
You only need to listen to their *ing whinging over the compo the last couple of days to see how self-entitled Hawks supporters and club are. They are spoilt. Their club has been pretty amazing, success wise, for like 6 decades.
Like most club's supporters, they are complete gold fish when it comes to assistance too. They got kissed on the dick to even get Buddy/Roughy combo in the first place, then they had others too didn't they? Jordan Lewis? Or someone else.
They were also one of the clubs offering BMac stupid money to join them, which ironically boosted the FA compo, but "wah wah wah....reasons"
Let's not even talk about the disgraceful racism investigation and how they handled that and were happy to throw a 4 time premiership coach under the bus. I've lost a lot of respect for Hawthorn over that and I held them in pretty high regard, if not begrudgingly.
They've shown their true colours as a club.
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100%

It’s delusional

A few months back I posted something on their board and I get another PM from this bloke and he aggressively warned me not to post on their board.

Of course I posted more

He sends several follow up PM’s and couldn’t believe I didn’t heed his ultimatum. It didn’t compute that I wouldn’t follow his ridiculous demands.
 
Warlord2Cheezels said:
I don't think Murphy lasts to our 15 (which will be 19+ after academy and father-son picks). He seems to be ranked around 13-14.
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That reiterates the shallowness then as I know he is a kpd that will take time to develop but on the occasions I've seen him, he is miles off it


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krakouers said:

West Coast Eagles have first genuine dance of AFL trade period as North Melbourne mount up​

Glen Quartermain
The West Australian

Wed, 11 October 2023

West Coast has had its first genuine dance of the trade period.
The big problem was North Melbourne wanted to slow waltz and the Eagles are only interested in a breakdance with laser lights, gyrating disco balls and Darude’s Sandstorm playing in the background.
In the first real game of bluff for either of the WA clubs, North Melbourne came after the Eagles’ prized pick one, but were unwilling to part with either of their top two picks. West Coast wants at least one of them, maybe both.

The Roos offered 14, 18 and 21 for this year as well as an end-of-first-round for next in a bid to secure West Coast’s pick one to the used on Victorian young gun Harley Reid.

It was a short dance.

Melbourne, meanwhile, finally stepped on to to the dance floor in the white suit worn by Tony Manero, aka John Travolta, in Saturday Night Fever and proceeded to lay down the Brooklyn Shuffle.

The Demons were part of a four-club trade that has them holding pick six, which they received from Fremantle last year for Luke Jackson, and 11 from Gold Coast.

Six and 11 might make one. Let’s dance, they said to West Coast.

Sydney was not even interested in dancing. The Swans, inspired by the Christian name of their best-and-fairest winner Errol Gulden, came in swinging from a chandelier and swooped up Brodie Grundy from Melbourne and Taylor Adams from Collingwood.

Grundy went first, with Melbourne landing the No.46 pick and a future second-rounder for the ruck.

His former teammate Adams followed in a swap with Collingwood for pick 33.

It only took half an hour and the Swans were out the window and into the night, booty under the arm.

In another corner sat a forlorn Hawthorn, in the loneliest seat of all. Pick three that is expected to ultimately slide to five. No one wants to dance with the Hawks just yet.

Meanwhile, back in the wild West, Lachie Schultz is more of a boot scootin’ boogie type.

Before he opens with a dosey doe and a ‘later’ to Freo, the Dockers have to deal with Collingwood.

Adams’ departure creates a golden brick road of salary cap space for the Pies to sign Schultz on a four-year deal with a trigger for a fifth and industry sources suggest they might be prepared to part with pick 19 for the small forward.

That should be enough to get the deal done.

Ladies and gentlemen take your partners.
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While they’re waiting in the corner for a dance we’ve just had a three way in the vip room, with all the other clubs jealously watching on.

Everybody knows the end of the story too, we give the signal and that shy chick in the corner heads home with us.
 
justroyal said:
#justletwestcoastdance
#youcan’tstopthemusic
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krakouers said:

West Coast Eagles have first genuine dance of AFL trade period as North Melbourne mount up​

Glen Quartermain
The West Australian

Wed, 11 October 2023

West Coast has had its first genuine dance of the trade period.
The big problem was North Melbourne wanted to slow waltz and the Eagles are only interested in a breakdance with laser lights, gyrating disco balls and Darude’s Sandstorm playing in the background.
In the first real game of bluff for either of the WA clubs, North Melbourne came after the Eagles’ prized pick one, but were unwilling to part with either of their top two picks. West Coast wants at least one of them, maybe both.

The Roos offered 14, 18 and 21 for this year as well as an end-of-first-round for next in a bid to secure West Coast’s pick one to the used on Victorian young gun Harley Reid.

It was a short dance.

Melbourne, meanwhile, finally stepped on to to the dance floor in the white suit worn by Tony Manero, aka John Travolta, in Saturday Night Fever and proceeded to lay down the Brooklyn Shuffle.

The Demons were part of a four-club trade that has them holding pick six, which they received from Fremantle last year for Luke Jackson, and 11 from Gold Coast.

Six and 11 might make one. Let’s dance, they said to West Coast.

Sydney was not even interested in dancing. The Swans, inspired by the Christian name of their best-and-fairest winner Errol Gulden, came in swinging from a chandelier and swooped up Brodie Grundy from Melbourne and Taylor Adams from Collingwood.

Grundy went first, with Melbourne landing the No.46 pick and a future second-rounder for the ruck.

His former teammate Adams followed in a swap with Collingwood for pick 33.

It only took half an hour and the Swans were out the window and into the night, booty under the arm.

In another corner sat a forlorn Hawthorn, in the loneliest seat of all. Pick three that is expected to ultimately slide to five. No one wants to dance with the Hawks just yet.

Meanwhile, back in the wild West, Lachie Schultz is more of a boot scootin’ boogie type.

Before he opens with a dosey doe and a ‘later’ to Freo, the Dockers have to deal with Collingwood.

Adams’ departure creates a golden brick road of salary cap space for the Pies to sign Schultz on a four-year deal with a trigger for a fifth and industry sources suggest they might be prepared to part with pick 19 for the small forward.

That should be enough to get the deal done.

Ladies and gentlemen take your partners.
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So we're going to "mount" WC?

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Passmore said:
So we're going to "mount" WC?

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Either we are going to leave the disco at 1am with the hottest person there or their slightly less hot friends

Meanwhile, there is a club there waiting for the 4am winner of the "most requiring a paper bag before even looking at..."
 

To trade or not to trade? Eagles’ burning Harley question​


Mark Duffield

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With time ticking, the arguments for the West Coast Eagles to take consensus number one draft pick Harley Reid or trade away the pick are equally compelling, as MARK DUFFIELD explains.

To trade or not to trade? That is the question confronting West Coast.

When the trade in question is the number one draft pick and the player in question is Tongala’s finest Harley Reid, it makes the question the biggest one of this trade period.

The Eagles public position on this is pretty clear: They are determined to read Reid’s name out on draft night unless someone comes to them with an offer they can’t refuse.

Which will not be a Godfather-style horse’s head in the bed of an Eagles recruiter type of offer, but rather multiple draft picks so enticing for the Eagles that they are absolutely convinced they will win on the trade.

Which begs the question: if the Eagles have to be convinced they win on the trade – what is the point of any other club doing a trade where the other party is a clear winner?

But this is the AFL’s silly season – a season where a player like North Melbourne’s Ben McKay commands a pick three free agency compensation pick under the AFL’s secret herbs and spices formula when, at the end of 2013, Hawthorn received pick 19 for Lance Franklin when he accepted Sydney’s monster deal.

So whether we choose to call it silly, or crazy or enticing, here are the pros and cons of the Eagles trading away pick one and Harley Reid.

The case for trading:​

Two (or three) players are better than one:
The Eagles have expressed the view that it would take something like North Melbourne offering them picks two and three and even something else as well to get their attention.
Let’s say the Eagles would be prepared to trade pick one for picks two and three.
Then look at the trade in a different way: Not Harley Reid for Colby McKercher and Daniel Curtin, but rather the second and third best talents the entire country’s talent development pathway can produce, up against the best.
Remember how Matt Rowell was considered a “generational talent” in 2019? Well 2 and 3 v 1 in that draft gives you Noah Anderson and Luke Jackson versus Rowell. Not hard to work out who wins there.
Retention:
Reid now says he is happy to come. He will be tied to the Eagles for three years. But every year he comes out of contract and maybe even the year before he comes out of contract there will be noise about him wanting to go home. Which means you will have to work harder to keep him happy and pay more to keep him. If one of the players the Eagles got in place of him was local product Curtin, that risk gets diluted straight away.
Spread the injury risk across more than one player:
Anthony Morabito wasn’t the number one pick in 2009, he was taken at pick four. He played just 26 AFL games.
Morabito could play.
At draft time he was considered by Fremantle a better prospect than Nathan Fyfe and the Dockers rated Fyfe more highly than all other clubs at the draft. In his third game Morabito kicked two stunning goals against reigning Premier Geelong.
He played 23 of 24 games in his first season, took 31 shots on goal for 13.18 and was good for 15 disposals, three inside fifties, three tackles and two clearances a game. But after barely being injured at all in junior ranks he suffered his first serious knee injury at the end of 2010, then another, then another. He played three games in 2014 then never played AFL again. Through no fault of anyone’s, a great talent and a genuine top five pick became a draft bust. The chances of “complete bust” are drastically reduced if you can spread the risk across more than one player.
How often does the nominal number one pick become the best player out of the draft?:
Looking at Reid and his highlights package now it is hard to believe he won’t be this year’s stand out. But history says that the best player in the draft eventually is usually not the number one pick.
Chris Judd was pick three in 2001, Lance Franklin was pick five in 2004, Scott Pendlebury pick five in 2005, Joel Selwood pick seven in 2006, Patrick Dangerfield pick 10 in 2007, Nic Naitanui pick two in 2008 and Dustin Martin pick three in 2009 from the first decade this century alone.
Marcus Bontempelli (four) and Christian Petracca (two) are more recent examples. The most important years of a young player‘s development come after being drafted and those years still lie ahead of Reid and the rest of this draft crop.

The case against trading​

This kid looks like a stand out:
There might be important years of development ahead but all the traits are there – the speed, the power, the willingness to put his head in the hole, the skill, the ability to take a big mark, the ability to know a big moment. Get your hands on that talent and develop it in the right manner and the chances are he will be deciding the outcome of games in three year’s time – which is about when West Coast will be thinking they can re-enter finals.
Beware of bargain regret:
Just as the ad says.
Right now, the Eagles hold Harley Reid in their hands and you wouldn’t want to be any member of their recruiting, coaching or admin staff if they talk themselves into a trade only to have him go on and play the sort of role in deciding flags that Dustin Martin played in Richmond’s three premiership successes in 2017, 2019 and 2020. It is one thing to have not had the chance to get him, another thing entirely to have handed that chance away to another club.
Retention is a factor, but don’t overstate its significance:
The WA clubs will tell you that all things being equal they will draft local talent. If things aren’t equal they will favour country Victorian and South Australian talent over Vic Metro talent. They are considered less likely to leave. Reid, for all the noise around whether he wants to come or not, is a kid from country Victoria. If he is looking to go “home” Melbourne isn’t actually home. Perth is a pretty good place to live. Good weather good beaches, easy to get around and when the Eagles snap out of the horror that has been their past two seasons Reid will play in front of 50,000 fans at every home game.

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Feed the need:
Reid is what the Eagles need. Even setting aside how good he is, what have the Eagles missed in the past two years? The explosive power of Elliot Yeo, Luke Shuey and Nic Naitanui in the midfield. They still have gun tall defenders with Tom Barrass and Jeremy McGovern. They have a young gun tall forward but they need to build a fresh, strong midfield and there would be a lot to like about an engine room with Reid, Reuben Ginbey and Elijah Hewett in it in three year’s time.
Reid would give them size, power, speed and grunt where they have missed it most.
 
the big lebowski said:
I actually find the west coast board ok. They can take a joke. Give it back. No harm no foul.

The hawks board on the other hand.

Of the hypocrisy and pettiness. Particularly from the worlds worst mod.

They have a thread titled “hypothetical trade discussion and shinbeggar talk”

Doesn’t say no other supporters can discuss.

I post a simple hypothetical about whether the shinbeggars should bid on McCabe at 15 or 7 if we get it.

I get some heat, some genuine discussion. No problems.

Then I get a PM from a feee speech loving hawk saying my post was ammended by a mod to something I clearly did say.

Talk about a glass jaw. Did just what the thread title said, didn’t insult anyone, infact I talked up the father son selection for the hawks.
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To trade or not to trade? Eagles’ burning Harley question​


Mark Duffield

www.codesports.com.au

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With time ticking, the arguments for the West Coast Eagles to take consensus number one draft pick Harley Reid or trade away the pick are equally compelling, as MARK DUFFIELD explains.

To trade or not to trade? That is the question confronting West Coast.

When the trade in question is the number one draft pick and the player in question is Tongala’s finest Harley Reid, it makes the question the biggest one of this trade period.

The Eagles public position on this is pretty clear: They are determined to read Reid’s name out on draft night unless someone comes to them with an offer they can’t refuse.

Which will not be a Godfather-style horse’s head in the bed of an Eagles recruiter type of offer, but rather multiple draft picks so enticing for the Eagles that they are absolutely convinced they will win on the trade.

Which begs the question: if the Eagles have to be convinced they win on the trade – what is the point of any other club doing a trade where the other party is a clear winner?

But this is the AFL’s silly season – a season where a player like North Melbourne’s Ben McKay commands a pick three free agency compensation pick under the AFL’s secret herbs and spices formula when, at the end of 2013, Hawthorn received pick 19 for Lance Franklin when he accepted Sydney’s monster deal.

So whether we choose to call it silly, or crazy or enticing, here are the pros and cons of the Eagles trading away pick one and Harley Reid.

The case for trading:​

Two (or three) players are better than one:
The Eagles have expressed the view that it would take something like North Melbourne offering them picks two and three and even something else as well to get their attention.
Let’s say the Eagles would be prepared to trade pick one for picks two and three.
Then look at the trade in a different way: Not Harley Reid for Colby McKercher and Daniel Curtin, but rather the second and third best talents the entire country’s talent development pathway can produce, up against the best.
Remember how Matt Rowell was considered a “generational talent” in 2019? Well 2 and 3 v 1 in that draft gives you Noah Anderson and Luke Jackson versus Rowell. Not hard to work out who wins there.
Retention:
Reid now says he is happy to come. He will be tied to the Eagles for three years. But every year he comes out of contract and maybe even the year before he comes out of contract there will be noise about him wanting to go home. Which means you will have to work harder to keep him happy and pay more to keep him. If one of the players the Eagles got in place of him was local product Curtin, that risk gets diluted straight away.
Spread the injury risk across more than one player:
Anthony Morabito wasn’t the number one pick in 2009, he was taken at pick four. He played just 26 AFL games.
Morabito could play.
At draft time he was considered by Fremantle a better prospect than Nathan Fyfe and the Dockers rated Fyfe more highly than all other clubs at the draft. In his third game Morabito kicked two stunning goals against reigning Premier Geelong.
He played 23 of 24 games in his first season, took 31 shots on goal for 13.18 and was good for 15 disposals, three inside fifties, three tackles and two clearances a game. But after barely being injured at all in junior ranks he suffered his first serious knee injury at the end of 2010, then another, then another. He played three games in 2014 then never played AFL again. Through no fault of anyone’s, a great talent and a genuine top five pick became a draft bust. The chances of “complete bust” are drastically reduced if you can spread the risk across more than one player.
How often does the nominal number one pick become the best player out of the draft?:
Looking at Reid and his highlights package now it is hard to believe he won’t be this year’s stand out. But history says that the best player in the draft eventually is usually not the number one pick.
Chris Judd was pick three in 2001, Lance Franklin was pick five in 2004, Scott Pendlebury pick five in 2005, Joel Selwood pick seven in 2006, Patrick Dangerfield pick 10 in 2007, Nic Naitanui pick two in 2008 and Dustin Martin pick three in 2009 from the first decade this century alone.
Marcus Bontempelli (four) and Christian Petracca (two) are more recent examples. The most important years of a young player‘s development come after being drafted and those years still lie ahead of Reid and the rest of this draft crop.

The case against trading​

This kid looks like a stand out:
There might be important years of development ahead but all the traits are there – the speed, the power, the willingness to put his head in the hole, the skill, the ability to take a big mark, the ability to know a big moment. Get your hands on that talent and develop it in the right manner and the chances are he will be deciding the outcome of games in three year’s time – which is about when West Coast will be thinking they can re-enter finals.
Beware of bargain regret:
Just as the ad says.
Right now, the Eagles hold Harley Reid in their hands and you wouldn’t want to be any member of their recruiting, coaching or admin staff if they talk themselves into a trade only to have him go on and play the sort of role in deciding flags that Dustin Martin played in Richmond’s three premiership successes in 2017, 2019 and 2020. It is one thing to have not had the chance to get him, another thing entirely to have handed that chance away to another club.
Retention is a factor, but don’t overstate its significance:
The WA clubs will tell you that all things being equal they will draft local talent. If things aren’t equal they will favour country Victorian and South Australian talent over Vic Metro talent. They are considered less likely to leave. Reid, for all the noise around whether he wants to come or not, is a kid from country Victoria. If he is looking to go “home” Melbourne isn’t actually home. Perth is a pretty good place to live. Good weather good beaches, easy to get around and when the Eagles snap out of the horror that has been their past two seasons Reid will play in front of 50,000 fans at every home game.

More Coverage​

Feed the need:
Reid is what the Eagles need. Even setting aside how good he is, what have the Eagles missed in the past two years? The explosive power of Elliot Yeo, Luke Shuey and Nic Naitanui in the midfield. They still have gun tall defenders with Tom Barrass and Jeremy McGovern. They have a young gun tall forward but they need to build a fresh, strong midfield and there would be a lot to like about an engine room with Reid, Reuben Ginbey and Elijah Hewett in it in three year’s time.
Reid would give them size, power, speed and grunt where they have missed it most.
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Duff can produce some dross but occasionally, he does produce diamonds like that
 
giantroo said:

To trade or not to trade? Eagles’ burning Harley question​


Mark Duffield

www.codesports.com.au

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With time ticking, the arguments for the West Coast Eagles to take consensus number one draft pick Harley Reid or trade away the pick are equally compelling, as MARK DUFFIELD explains.

To trade or not to trade? That is the question confronting West Coast.

When the trade in question is the number one draft pick and the player in question is Tongala’s finest Harley Reid, it makes the question the biggest one of this trade period.

The Eagles public position on this is pretty clear: They are determined to read Reid’s name out on draft night unless someone comes to them with an offer they can’t refuse.

Which will not be a Godfather-style horse’s head in the bed of an Eagles recruiter type of offer, but rather multiple draft picks so enticing for the Eagles that they are absolutely convinced they will win on the trade.

Which begs the question: if the Eagles have to be convinced they win on the trade – what is the point of any other club doing a trade where the other party is a clear winner?

But this is the AFL’s silly season – a season where a player like North Melbourne’s Ben McKay commands a pick three free agency compensation pick under the AFL’s secret herbs and spices formula when, at the end of 2013, Hawthorn received pick 19 for Lance Franklin when he accepted Sydney’s monster deal.

So whether we choose to call it silly, or crazy or enticing, here are the pros and cons of the Eagles trading away pick one and Harley Reid.

The case for trading:​

Two (or three) players are better than one:
The Eagles have expressed the view that it would take something like North Melbourne offering them picks two and three and even something else as well to get their attention.
Let’s say the Eagles would be prepared to trade pick one for picks two and three.
Then look at the trade in a different way: Not Harley Reid for Colby McKercher and Daniel Curtin, but rather the second and third best talents the entire country’s talent development pathway can produce, up against the best.
Remember how Matt Rowell was considered a “generational talent” in 2019? Well 2 and 3 v 1 in that draft gives you Noah Anderson and Luke Jackson versus Rowell. Not hard to work out who wins there.
Retention:
Reid now says he is happy to come. He will be tied to the Eagles for three years. But every year he comes out of contract and maybe even the year before he comes out of contract there will be noise about him wanting to go home. Which means you will have to work harder to keep him happy and pay more to keep him. If one of the players the Eagles got in place of him was local product Curtin, that risk gets diluted straight away.
Spread the injury risk across more than one player:
Anthony Morabito wasn’t the number one pick in 2009, he was taken at pick four. He played just 26 AFL games.
Morabito could play.
At draft time he was considered by Fremantle a better prospect than Nathan Fyfe and the Dockers rated Fyfe more highly than all other clubs at the draft. In his third game Morabito kicked two stunning goals against reigning Premier Geelong.
He played 23 of 24 games in his first season, took 31 shots on goal for 13.18 and was good for 15 disposals, three inside fifties, three tackles and two clearances a game. But after barely being injured at all in junior ranks he suffered his first serious knee injury at the end of 2010, then another, then another. He played three games in 2014 then never played AFL again. Through no fault of anyone’s, a great talent and a genuine top five pick became a draft bust. The chances of “complete bust” are drastically reduced if you can spread the risk across more than one player.
How often does the nominal number one pick become the best player out of the draft?:
Looking at Reid and his highlights package now it is hard to believe he won’t be this year’s stand out. But history says that the best player in the draft eventually is usually not the number one pick.
Chris Judd was pick three in 2001, Lance Franklin was pick five in 2004, Scott Pendlebury pick five in 2005, Joel Selwood pick seven in 2006, Patrick Dangerfield pick 10 in 2007, Nic Naitanui pick two in 2008 and Dustin Martin pick three in 2009 from the first decade this century alone.
Marcus Bontempelli (four) and Christian Petracca (two) are more recent examples. The most important years of a young player‘s development come after being drafted and those years still lie ahead of Reid and the rest of this draft crop.

The case against trading​

This kid looks like a stand out:
There might be important years of development ahead but all the traits are there – the speed, the power, the willingness to put his head in the hole, the skill, the ability to take a big mark, the ability to know a big moment. Get your hands on that talent and develop it in the right manner and the chances are he will be deciding the outcome of games in three year’s time – which is about when West Coast will be thinking they can re-enter finals.
Beware of bargain regret:
Just as the ad says.
Right now, the Eagles hold Harley Reid in their hands and you wouldn’t want to be any member of their recruiting, coaching or admin staff if they talk themselves into a trade only to have him go on and play the sort of role in deciding flags that Dustin Martin played in Richmond’s three premiership successes in 2017, 2019 and 2020. It is one thing to have not had the chance to get him, another thing entirely to have handed that chance away to another club.
Retention is a factor, but don’t overstate its significance:
The WA clubs will tell you that all things being equal they will draft local talent. If things aren’t equal they will favour country Victorian and South Australian talent over Vic Metro talent. They are considered less likely to leave. Reid, for all the noise around whether he wants to come or not, is a kid from country Victoria. If he is looking to go “home” Melbourne isn’t actually home. Perth is a pretty good place to live. Good weather good beaches, easy to get around and when the Eagles snap out of the horror that has been their past two seasons Reid will play in front of 50,000 fans at every home game.

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Feed the need:
Reid is what the Eagles need. Even setting aside how good he is, what have the Eagles missed in the past two years? The explosive power of Elliot Yeo, Luke Shuey and Nic Naitanui in the midfield. They still have gun tall defenders with Tom Barrass and Jeremy McGovern. They have a young gun tall forward but they need to build a fresh, strong midfield and there would be a lot to like about an engine room with Reid, Reuben Ginbey and Elijah Hewett in it in three year’s time.
Reid would give them size, power, speed and grunt where they have missed it most.
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We arent trading picks 2 and 3 for 1 regardless.
 
sutcliffe's hotel said:
Wish they would release the 2024 fixture as I assume we all want to be at our first home game when we unfurl the "we won trade week" flag.
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I've already ordered 5 slabs of the commemorative beer and a couple of bottles of Trade Week Winners Port.
 
sutcliffe's hotel said:
Wish they would release the 2024 fixture as I assume we all want to be at our first home game when we unfurl the "we won trade week" flag.
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Its going to be North vs WC again isn't it.

Lets one of the cellar dwellers start off on a positive note again.

TBH, it would be a smart play from the AFL to schedule 18th vs 17th in Rnd 1 each year, as there's general interest to see the draftee's, whether they have improved etc.

Having them play in round 12 when they still suck doesn't have anywhere near the same interest and everyone have seen the top few picks play for a few months
 
New_Roo said:
They aren't going to take 5 into the draft. Two or 3. At least 2 of 15,17,18 will change hands

Who would you pick at 15,17,18 as there would only be Murphy left at that stage and he is a long way of it


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Assuming the players go at around the same spot as Twomey's latest form guide... (they wont)
15: Darcy Wilson (quick mid, good skills)
17: Will McCabe (key defender)
18: Archer Reid (key forward)
 
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