List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

 

[gringo2011]

Parish I can get behind

Is he a restricted FA? Essendon would be crazy to let him go and while they are playing well I doubt he asks to leave. Realistically sides needed to go after him while he was still developing and Essendon were shit.

 

[BrutThough]

Is he a restricted FA? Essendon would be crazy to let him go and while they are playing well I doubt he asks to leave. Realistically sides needed to go after him while he was still developing and Essendon were s**t.

He is. Agreed that the chances of him leaving have lowered now Essendon are playing good footy and have a good coach.

 

[gringo2011]

If we just want a free hit top up mid Matt Crouch

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Matt Crouch

Age

30

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

make sense. Play him until a the kids are ready and a FA who wouldn't be on huge money. He'd have a similar impact to Mitchell at Collingwood IMO. Otherwise I rate Rhys Mathieson

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Rhys Mathieson

Age

28

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

3.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

18.4

5star

K

9.4

4star

HB

9.0

5star

M

2.2

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

2.8

5star

as the best player outside a best 22 at the moment. I reckon he'd be a great Ross Lyon project.

James Jordan is young and on the free agents list. I thought he looked alright in the only game I remember seeing him in.

 

[Mr Pickles]

There’s a constant obsession with clubs playing youth. Geelong have bucked that trend. The top teams are now playing a very experienced starting midfield group with their youth playing a more supporting role.

Harmes is at a good age as long as we think he’s best 22. I’d take him even know he looks like some newly discovered amphibian that’s just crawled out of the Mariana Trench.

oh god, the thought of seeing buck toothed Harmes in the side is not significantly pleasing. dude reminds me of Beaker from the muppets

 

[stavro#4]

Genuine question
What would we do with another tall defender?
Do we play 4 or trade one we have.
I think the balance of talls and smalls we have at the moment is good

I’d argue another gorilla back means Wilkie and Battle can attack the air more.

Wilkie can shut down the gun smalls aswell. Think Rampe. Think James Clement etc.

We can argue that the Carlton frees in the first half were soft. But Battle was pulling because he was smaller.

 

[stavro#4]

Is he a restricted FA? Essendon would be crazy to let him go and while they are playing well I doubt he asks to leave. Realistically sides needed to go after him while he was still developing and Essendon were s**t.

Can’t imagine landing Parish without losing Gresham

 

[SaintsofSteel]

I am confident the club stays the course and continues to go to the draft? We finally have our drafting and recruiting going very well - lets not move away from that. Bring in more elite kids and certainly look at rated cheap trades and free agents but not at the expense of early draft capital.

Stavro has mentioned we need a key defender and forward/ruckman and he is right, but please not at the expense of using early draft capital. There have been consistent rumours we are heavily into Ben McKay

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Ben Mckay

Age

27

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

as a free agent and he would be great if we can get him across. Ive noticed that Jack Crisp

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Jack Crisp

Age

32

Ht

190cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.2

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.7

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

2.2

4star

D

17.7

4star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.6

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

6.0

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

is a FA he would be the perfect midfield recruit if he was interested in a pay rise.

We only had a small snap shot of what Jack Hayes can produce, but I believe he looks to be as effective in the forward/ruckman role as any other player on the open market. The other possibility is Anthony Caminiti who has a huge leap, a good tank and is really strong for a lad his age. As long as he learns to ruck like Blicavs and not attempt to body the big ruckman I think he could fill that role well.

We also have Isaac Keeler on the list who is very raw and will need time, but he moves exceptionally well for a lad his size. Like Max Heath he will need to build a bigger tank before they can impact the AFL but they have the basic tools. There just isn't that many quality forward/ruckman available that wouldnt cost the world. I think we have the players already on our list, they just need the opportunity and development.

The current club environment is elite and will bring the best out in players who may have previously struggled, but elite kids will also produce quicker than they might of otherwise. I expect the club continues to go to the draft unless there is a free agent or two available.

 

[bird_man]

Genuine question
What would we do with another tall defender?
Do we play 4 or trade one we have.
I think the balance of talls and smalls we have at the moment is good

Probably means Battle and Howard are fighting for one spot

 

[bird_man]

Is he a restricted FA? Essendon would be crazy to let him go and while they are playing well I doubt he asks to leave. Realistically sides needed to go after him while he was still developing and Essendon were s**t.

Yes, just like Degoey laat year, its going to be unlikely he actually goes

Shouldn't mean we don't have a crack though

 

[gringo2011]

Can’t imagine landing Parish without losing Gresham

Can't imagine it even if we did.

 

[bird_man]

I know his form has stagnated a little but I'd still be chasing Bergman from Port

He's a quality runner, can play half back, half forward or wing, a good size and wouldn't have to sell the farm to get him

 

[Atomboy]

oh god, the thought of seeing buck toothed Harmes in the side is not significantly pleasing. dude reminds me of Beaker from the muppets

Always reminded me of Mullet from “Snatch”:

“You been using dogsh!t for toothpaste again ?”

 

[triggering bro]

Is he a restricted FA? Essendon would be crazy to let him go and while they are playing well I doubt he asks to leave. Realistically sides needed to go after him while he was still developing and Essendon were s**t.

Apparently they are struggling to meet the demands of both Redman and Parish. Both are being talked about as requesting 750 each if not more.

I agree though it’s unlikely Parish leaves. It would need to be a deliberate salary dump to let him walk like Grundy and to a lesser degree Acres at Freo.

I completely agree with the majority saying we need to focus on the draft. That doesn’t mean we can’t also hit FA that doesn’t cost draft capital.

 

[triggering bro]

I know his form has stagnated a little but I'd still be chasing Bergman from Port

He's a quality runner, can play half back, half forward or wing, a good size and wouldn't have to sell the farm to get him

Would cost a half decent draft pick though. That’s why I’m keen on FAs.

 

[bird_man]

Would cost a half decent draft pick though. That’s why I’m keen on FAs.

A mid 2nd rounder maybe?

And he's only 21

I'm keen to find a good FA but there aren't too many available and very gettable

 

[BrutThough]

Probably means Battle and Howard are fighting for one spot

Unless Sam Taylor suddenly becomes available, our picks and salary cap would be better spent improving other areas of the list.

 

[triggering bro]

A mid 2nd rounder maybe?

And he's only 21

I'm keen to find a good FA but there aren't too many available and very gettable

Yea I reckon that’s his value.

If it were up to me I’d have a no trade firsts or seconds policy. Obviously there are exceptions ie King, Rozee types.

He seems like a very average type player to me. His ceiling is a dependable role player. I don’t see the Wood comparisons, if that’s the type you are describing him as?

 

[Mr Pickles]

Always reminded me of Mullet from “Snatch”:

“You been using dogsh!t for toothpaste again ?”

In the change rooms after a win, instead of getting handed a gatorade he gets a bushel of carrots instead to gnaw on in the corner.

 

[gringo2011]

Apparently they are struggling to meet the demands of both Redman and Parish. Both are being talked about as requesting 750 each if not more.

I agree though it’s unlikely Parish leaves. It would need to be a deliberate salary dump to let him walk like Grundy and to a lesser degree Acres at Freo.

I completely agree with the majority saying we need to focus on the draft. That doesn’t mean we can’t also hit FA that doesn’t cost draft capital.

You'd be crazy not to sniff around anyone that improves our list especially a star mid who is a FA. I'd put up a big money offer and sit back and let it play out though. Not invest in one of Dildo's melodramas. Redman cops it but if you could get him he'd free up Sinclair to the midfield. Not at $750k though.

 

[Jayman15]

We want 1 or 2 genuine best 22 talls this off season.

Key back (weekend showed how we could use that)

Forward/ruck - another obvious one.

This statement aligns with the rambling from Matt Rendell and SOS on trade radio (4 Oct 22) 2 weeks prior to Ratts sacking.

Worth a listen back to if you can handle Rendell’s list ramblings on dif. players. SOS chimes in after the 6min mark

https://media.whooshkaa.com/show/9121/episode/1048426.mp3?source=webplayer-download

 

[bird_man]

Yea I reckon that’s his value.

If it were up to me I’d have a no trade firsts or seconds policy. Obviously there are exceptions ie King, Rozee types.

He seems like a very average type player to me. His ceiling is a dependable role player. I don’t see the Wood comparisons, if that’s the type you are describing him as?

I've got no issue with trading any picks for young players 22 and under. I don't see it any differently to going to the draft. Just means they will impact a little earlier.

I think the chances of finding a better player at pick 30 would be less likely than likely

 

[ScrappyDo]

Apparently and I understand things change.

But the boss is genuinely asking for more picks at the draft.

So if Gubby/ Sos can land him another good tall.

I could see us loading up at the draft.

The question is how? What player could we afford to part with that would bring in a worthy pick?

 

[PoppedCorn]

#4

 

[bird_man]

#4

I hope not, I think he's one player that can take us to another level if he really gets going.

 

[gringo2011]

Yea I reckon that’s his value.

If it were up to me I’d have a no trade firsts or seconds policy. Obviously there are exceptions ie King, Rozee types.

He seems like a very average type player to me. His ceiling is a dependable role player. I don’t see the Wood comparisons, if that’s the type you are describing him as?

He looks very Mason Wood like to me. At his age you are only getting a glimpse so have to project a fair bit. Loves a gaol like Wood and can run the wings and a decent size.

Have a look at the goals he kicks too, real snap freaks like Woody.