List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part II

[Username Unknown]

I hope we move up the draft bored to get Ryley Sanders. Kid is going to be a jet. Already moves like LDU and has great skills.

Marshall Phillipou Owens Sanders [emoji7]

 

[EconomicDecline]

Can we have more speculation about the delistings rather than these ludicrous trade proposals

 

[BrutThough]

Trade Watch today.

Pretty disappointing, still stuck on

1.Phillipou for a 12-14 pick
2.Steele for an 18 y.o potential

Hasn't changed in two days. Lift you game people.

But Heeney is back on which is exciting.

 

[g_TRAIN]

I think a lot of the time when Marshall does that , the ball is really hotley contested and a handball is unlikely to be clean and make a clearance. Moving the contest closer to our goals isn't necessarily the worst thing.

On this there was one awesome handball Ro did, might have been to Sinclair that generated an inside 50 shot at goal.

 

[magd2992]

Barely 24 hours post season and we are trading Steele because he is not captain material.

Literally Mad Monday.

 

[CursingFijian]

I reckon McCartney was taking the piss, having a lend of you, pulling your leg and talking footy s**t.

AKA banter.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Never worried about the Billings selection. Sometimes they don't work.

The McCartin selection however.

We needed to get a quality tall forward. Badly.
We were incredibly reliant on an ageing Riewolt back then.
I was concerned that it didn't seem a great draft for talls at the time. ( And i tended to favour Wright , who would have been OK if not great ). But All the experts were talking up Paddy at the time, not just StKilda.
We'd just drafted Dunstan and Acres, and they were looking pretty promising.
Ross was starting to play some good games.
Jack Steven was only 24, Armitage 25.( Same age as Joel Selwood ).

 

[Dr Spaceman]

I reckon McCartney was taking the piss, having a lend of you, pulling your leg and talking footy s**t.

To be fair it wasn’t just McCartney saying it at the airport that day

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[Joffaboy]

I hope we move up the draft bored to get Ryley Sanders. Kid is going to be a jet. Already moved like LDU and has great skills.

Marshall Phillipou Owens Sanders [emoji7]

Isn't he an AFL gift to the team in blue and white stripes because they purposely stripped their list of 1000 games experience and then became a basket case?

 

[gringo2011]

Yep it's absolute revisionism that Trout stuffed up. He played it safe with all his selections. Conservative AF.

The club was a mess & a kid with JB's personality was never going to thrive.

We fkd that rebuild once the kids got into the club... not at the draft table.

Billings was the wrong choice because even at the time no-one thought that he'd definitely transition to be a mid. If you have good recruiters they should analyse personality, drive, ambition and all their on field traits. Trout wasn't great at any of it. Billings is probably the type that could have gone to peak Hawks and developed under little scrutiny or pressure and thrived. When you are starting from down the bottom you want those strong alpha personalities to drive standards and systems.

Dom Sheed was probably the closest to that in the top end of that year. Bont and Cripps were both speculative but had some of it.

We also took Dunsatn who had some of that about him and he didn't thrive either though. Acres rounded out three first round picks. To have blown every one of them takes some kind of talent.

I think we definitely had a nice guy policy which I think Trout mistook for weak handshake, don't make eye contact introvert types. I used to get down to the club a bit at that time and if you were putting together a bunch of guys that you'd allow to date your daughter, that list would be up there. As far as alpha driven footballers- probably the softest bunch of bed wetter you'd find anywhere.

 

[CursingFijian]

Richmond have three premierships from dumping it forward and locking it in.

People take the piss out of me but I reckon in 2021 when Dunstan came into the side and was getting bulk clearances and dumping them forward with long kicks, it was some of the best looking footy we played for the year. Was really making us hard to play against and making us a threat rather than trying to defend from start to finish.

We dumped it backwards against the Giants.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

On this there was one awesome handball Ro did, might have been to Sinclair that generated an inside 50 shot at goal.

I think there was one where he tapped it upward , ran over and grabbed it, kicked it up high, ran across and got it , then kicked it into the forward 50.
Must have been wondering what all those other red black and white stooges were doing.

 

[Joffaboy]

But Heeney is back on which is exciting.

Heeney is only a fallback position so doesn't get a gig on the list .

I am collating a list of suggested trades but we have only had two standouts so far.

 

[borderbarry]

Next season we should concentrate on getting games into Peris, Keeler, Otten and Heath, and the most likely of the bigger defenders. I thought the decision to drop Peris after one game was weak.

 

[gringo2011]

I hope we move up the draft bored to get Ryley Sanders. Kid is going to be a jet. Already moves like LDU and has great skills.

Marshall Phillipou Owens Sanders [emoji7]

He's a gun but aren't the AFL gifting him to North for being too stupid to walk upright? Probably better to look at Phillips because they will have one of the best on ball brigades in footy and won't be able to fit them all in. Wardlaw. LDU, Scott, Phillips, Simpkin, Tarryn Thomas and still have guys like Darcy Tucker and Greenwood in reserve. Getting Harley Reid as well in all likelihood.


Probably the best stack of midfield talent in any side ever. That doesn't include guys who pinch hit or play wings and high HF.

 

[Joffaboy]

We needed to get a quality tall forward. Badly.
We were incredibly reliant on an ageing Riewolt back then.
I was concerned that it didn't seem a great draft for talls at the time. ( And i tended to favour Wright , who would have been OK if not great ). But All the experts were talking up Paddy at the time, not just StKilda.
We'd just drafted Dunstan and Acres, and they were looking pretty promising.
Ross was starting to play some good games.
Jack Steven was only 24, Armitage 25.( Same age as Joel Selwood ).

I know the reasoning. Also there was a thought key position players were going to be costing a fortune after the Bulldogs traded a fortune for Tom Boyd.

My thoughts were that we needed an absolute gun mid. Steven was playing well, Armo was good but not a gun, Acres never was a mid, and Dunstan young with potential.

I know things aren't linear and our team would be entirely different to what it is now (a different reality with Petracca in the team, different results, different draft selections etc) but Petracca in our team now would completely change the dynamic.
In saying that if Paddy was not an injury bust do we take Rozee not King, etc.

So it was my opinion re Petracca. Sadly it turned out true. In comparison to Billings it was a poor decision.

 

[Sir Owens]

Not what the rumours at the time were saying. It just hadn't come out yet. Because we were so s**t for so long we were making moves that preserved our image over planning a future. Jack could play footy but was struggling for a while apparently.

It would have been a PR disaster to trade our best player. These things are always easy in hindsight. It was just one of those sliding doors moments.

 

[Joffaboy]

Next season we should concentrate on getting games into Peris, Keeler, Otten and Heath, and the most likely of the bigger defenders. I thought the decision to drop Peris after one game was weak.

Apart from Peris, have you seen any of them play? We got over a hundred games into Hammer, Sharman, Owens, Windy, and Pou.
You don't get gifted games. Heath looks promising but is young and will take a little time, Keeler has some real skill but is skinny and raw and injured most of the year. Hotton, I really like the look of but was injured most of the season, Van Es, another big lad who is developing in the two.

We just made finals, we don't just 'get games into kids' for the sake of it.

 

[StCicatriz]

Can we have more speculation about the delistings rather than these ludicrous trade proposals

good point, exit interviews happened. any word on whos going?

 

[beside the seaside]

With the inclusion of Henry, Peris is going to be up against it.

Keeler has some serious tools. Hope he has a big pre-season.

 

[gringo2011]

Apart from Peris, have you seen any of them play? We got over a hundred games into Hammer, Sharman, Owens, Windy, and Pou.
You don't get gifted games. Heath looks promising but is young and will take a little time, Keeler has some real skill but is skinny and raw and injured most of the year. Hotton, I really like the look of but was injured most of the season, Van Es, another big lad who is developing in the two.

We just made finals, we don't just 'get games into kids' for the sake of it.

To me the most likely to break into the side look like Hotton and maybe someone like Peris, Heath or Van Es if we get specific injuries. Maybe even McLennan. Coff looks like the guy just outside the best 22 most likely to walk into a spot though. If the others can all play a few games it will be good for development though.

 

[Sun Ra]

Heeney is only a fallback position so doesn't get a gig on the list .

I am collating a list of suggested trades but we have only had two standouts so far.

You forgot Howard.

 

[gringo2011]

With the inclusion of Henry, Peris is going to be up against it.

Keeler has some serious tools. Hope he has a big pre-season.

Henry is an interesting addition. He got some big numbers on a wing the season. Again can be an iffy kick and was drafted as a running goal sneak. Could also take a HBF spot and double up Nas and send Sincs full time mid. Gives us some adaptability. Ross uses the high half forward as an extra wing so might be the right spot for him. Still gives us a dangerous scoring option but plenty of run and dash to help out the defenders and rebound on the counter.

 

[L_W_P]

Don't know if it was Morris or Twomeys but one of them was on SEN and said that North's application to prelist Sanders is going to be declined by the AFL.

The league will grant them NGA access but he will need to fall outside the top 20 ala Owens/Windy for North to match any bid.

On the flip side, they are 100% getting pick 3 for McKay.

Remains to be seen if any later priority/assistance picks will be allocated.

 

[The_Steadier]

Richmond have three premierships from dumping it forward and locking it in.

People take the piss out of me but I reckon in 2021 when Dunstan came into the side and was getting bulk clearances and dumping them forward with long kicks, it was some of the best looking footy we played for the year. Was really making us hard to play against and making us a threat rather than trying to defend from start to finish.

Richmond were (by design) the worst clearance team in the comp during that time though.

They weren't kicking goals (and winning games) from clearances.
They were winning and kicking goals off turnovers.

Tigers clearance strategy didnt win them 3 flags- their list and chaosball bombs (after opposition turnovers, not their own clearances) did.