List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[Bucking Beads]

There is no way they bid on him at pick 1. Seriously don’t stress about it.

A club having pick 1 is often a once a generation marketing boon. They aren’t going to pass up the marketing value of having pick 1 just to keep a club honest. They’d also be robbing their first pick of the prestige, marketing value and the cash prize that comes with being pick 1 and basically telling him that they are the consolation prize.

The bid on Levi will be #2. Lock it in and don’t waste another second worrying about it.

What we really need is Marshall to be selected at 20 but i doubt that happens

 

[mpal6]

What we really need is Marshall to be selected at 20 but i doubt that happens

I think Marshall will go little bit later. 25 to 30 possibly

 

[SizeMatters]

I can see the team going with Dizzy as the replacement tall forward.
I was listening to the roar deal, one of the guys said that Dizz had said he was planning on playing as a key forward. If we don’t have to trade for a replacement tall, we could end up getting one or two from the academy. In the game he did the ACL, Dizz felt that it had started clicking, he did manage to kick two goals.
In the GF I noticed Hippy taking some ruck up forward when the game was well and truly won. Perhaps a peak into the future? Hippy is a similar height to Joe. If he is only used at ruck contests in the forward 50, we could use Dunks to pinch hit, knowing we will likely lose the tap but a fourth mid around the ball may be an advantage or a break even. Benz could rotate to his defensive role while he rucks for a few mins each quarter. This also works if we decide to go with two keys instead of bringing Dizz back/pushing another tall defender forward/trading someone in.
I still don’t believe there is room for two rucks in todays game, Melbourne couldn’t make it work with Grundy and Gawn, Freo so far hasn’t been able to make it work with Darcy and Jackson.

I'd rather Fort come in than Dizzy.

I'm not a huge fan of Sam Day and think he's a spud but I'd even rather him come in than Dizzy as a forward.

 

[Nathan Barley]

What we really need is Marshall to be selected at 20 but i doubt that happens

He'll slide

 

[McLuggages]

He'll slide

I spoke to someone at the club who suggested they were worried the bid would come earlier (12-15).

 

[mpal6]

I spoke to someone at the club who suggested they were worried the bid would come earlier (12-15).

If Richmond hold nearly 6-7 picks in top 25, they're going to get all the topline mids first. When they turn their attention towards the teens picks I expect them to go for needs like talls and utilities. Rest will pick best available and I believe there is plenty of best available ahead of Marshall.

 

[Surly Boy]

Paywalled, so not sure if there is anything new or interesting. If anyone has the keys and can unlock it....

 

[Nathan Barley]

Paywalled, so not sure if there is anything new or interesting. If anyone has the keys and can unlock it....

Nothing interesting. Clearly there’s too many journalists for the amount of news

 

[Nuggo]

You feel that Levi and Sam will be Lions next year. The big question is are we looking to draft somebody else.

 

[Roylion]

Paywalled, so not sure if there is anything new or interesting. If anyone has the keys and can unlock it....

The only parts I found interesting from the article was

"The young winger still holds the AFL Draft Combine 2km time trial record of 5min28sec, which he set in 2020, and could plug a hole left by the outgoing Alex Neal-Bullen and Lachie Hunter.

The Demons currently hold picks 5, 28, 40, 49, 54 and 65."

and

"The Eagles are reportedly still interested in Robertson, though it has cooled slightly compared to last year.

West Coast holds picks 3, 26, 63, 68 and 81 in the upcoming draft.

By honouring the requests of Sharp and Robertson, the Lions could strike deals that would bring in the requisite draft capital to successfully add Marshall alongside Ashcroft."

A draft pick somewhere between 26 and 63 seems about right for Robertson, but the Eagles don't have it currently.

 

[Perrip]

You feel that Levi and Sam will be Lions next year. The big question is are we looking to draft somebody else.

Wonder if we will or just switch one of our rookies to the primary list.

 

[scoman]

If we can get 40 from Melbourne and a future third from West Coast, that would be pretty cool I think.

 

[scoman]

Also saw an Essendon poster suggest a straight swap of Prior for 2MP on the trade board. They must have really gone off him. Would be happy with that trade for sure.

 

[GenericUsername202]

Also saw an Essendon poster suggest a straight swap of Prior for 2MP on the trade board. They must have really gone off him. Would be happy with that trade for sure.

I would take it, lol. Prior isn't making it into this squad and while 2MP isn't Joe, he's certainly an upgrade over fort.

 

[GenericUsername202]

As disappointing as it is to lose Joe, I'd back us in to replace him with a different game style bringing the ball inside 50.
A talented small forward is worth more than a below average key forward regardless of structure. I'm a massive Smith fan but I really don't see him or Oscar doing much more than providing a contest up forward, which I don't think moves the needle in a premiership defense.
I think we found our best rhythm in the back end of finals where we go quick once we've got the corridor, allowing mismatches and smart forwards to do their best work. A healthy McCarthy, Hipwood and Bailey (notwithstanding the addition of Ashcroft, improvement from young players like Lloyd and McLachlan) can only help us with that next year.

I agree with this. If we can't replace Joe, why not change the way we play that benefits the team that we do have? Our tall forwards might not be as dominant, but our small forwards are the best in the competition. The strength of this side is our spread of goalkickers, and we have Linc coming back as well, who is a notable goal scorer.

 

[martinson]

I'd rather Fort come in than Dizzy.

I'm not a huge fan of Sam Day and think he's a spud but I'd even rather him come in than Dizzy as a forward.

Dizz is a heart and soul player but I felt our forward line was really sluggish with him in there and it surprises me anyone would think he's worth another try. In fact he was poor and his deficiencies on full display.

I'm sure we'll try and find a slot for him but as a forward would be a backward step.

 

[Lets Roar like '44]

I still have nightmares when 2MP tore the Lions backline a new one at Marvel a few years ago. Admittedly he didn’t get a kick after quarter time but gee he was on fire that day- for 20 mins. I’d take him though.

 

[buttermuffs]

Wonder if we will or just switch one of our rookies to the primary list.

With Brain, McKenna and Reville all rookie listed I’d be fine upgrading them all to the senior list and then picking up a third player in the draft to round out at least six pick.

 

[Nathan Barley]

We might need to keep a list spot open to take a mature age forward as a SSP selection

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Maybe Taberner for insurance if we're bone dry for any trading. If Hipwood blows a groin again then we'll be reaching

 

[irel]

Maybe Taberner for insurance if we're bone dry for any trading. If Hipwood blows a groin again then we'll be reaching

With Taberner's injury history, if Hipwood blows a groin you can almost guarantee they'll keep each other company in the rehab room.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

With Taberner's injury history, if Hipwood blows a groin you can almost guarantee they'll keep each other company in the rehab room.

Either him or Sam Day right for delisted forwards ? Choices are slim if they need one

 

[Tom14]

Either him or Sam Day right for delisted forwards ? Choices are slim if they need one

Le-vi Le-vi Le-vi!

Let’s be frank all the options are underwhelming.

 

[Section 5]

Dizz is a heart and soul player but I felt our forward line was really sluggish with him in there and it surprises me anyone would think he's worth another try. In fact he was poor and his deficiencies on full display.

I'm sure we'll try and find a slot for him but as a forward would be a backward step.

I don't think Gardiner has played enough games forward for us to get a clear indication if he could play that role.
However, coming back from an ACL at age 29 is a bit of a worry.
He can also play a defensive role on certain opposition defenders if needed
He played 7 games early in the year, 2 of those he left early with knee injuries in Q1 & Q2.
So really only 5 games to get a look at what he can do forward.
He was also trying to fit into a new role in a team whose form was not good in those early games.

R0 11 disposals 0 marks 2 tackles 0 goals.0 behinds. Moved to Curnow in the 4th quarter
R1 injured his knee in the 1st quarter (warning sign for things to come maybe?)
R2 & 3 missed due to knee injury
R4 11 disposal 5 marks 1 tackle 1g.1b
R5 13 disposals 6 marks 3 tackles 0g.0b
R6 10 disposals 4 marks 3 tackles 0g.0b
R7 5 disposals 0 marks 4 tackles 0g.0b. Appeared to play a defensive game on Aleer.
R8 3 disposals 0 marks 0 tackles 2g. 0b. Did his ACL in 2nd quarter

 

[McLuggages]

I've seen a few discussions in here on points but not one that ties it all together...in summary we're pretty close to done and we won't be going in to defecit. Dom Ambrogio has done it again.

Summary

• We officialy have 2472 points - but we actually have closer to 2612 given our later picks will slide up, after Ashcroft, Kako and Lombard bids (+250 points)
• Worst case bid scenario Levi pick 1 + Marshall pick ~15 = 3290pts (so we're currently 800 pts short or 550 short after picks move up)
• Mid case bids - (2+18) = 2802 - we're ~200 short - which should be sorted by the Sharp trade and/or 1 more pick swap
• Best case bid scenario (pick 3 + 22) = 2435 points - we're already well covered
• A Sharp trade should add at least 300 points directly or via swaps
• There are plenty of options to tactically add 100pts here or ther

I realised this would make a nice matrix

Reminder we actually have closer to 2600 points currently after shuffling, should add 200-300 more for each of Sharp and Robertson. We can also easily add 100 more for an extra shuffle, and ~300 points or so for our future 3rd.