List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[briztoon]

I don't know the overall totals across the league (especially with the list reductions), but 2006 was a freak year.

2004 was three plus two rookies.
2005 was five.
2007 was 3 plus 2 rookies.
2008 was 2 plus 2 rookies.
2009 and on there were Gold Coast zone picks so actual results are a bit deceptive but a lot of those washed out quite quickly. Only four can really lay claim to a decent career.
2010 and on there were academies.

So fewer players being drafted year on year from 2011 to 2020, or about the same?

Were the academies only instituted in 2010, so then the real first draft class from the academies was 2015?

We know Andrews was only in the academy for 1 or 2 years (I can't remember which), and that the academy didn't want to know anything about him to start with.

Doesn't look like the QLD academies are getting more kids drafted year on year, up until last year.

 

[dlanod]

Yes 2006 was a bumper year, but that's still 30 players drafted in 5 years between 2004 and 2009. There wouldn't have been that many in any 5 year period since the academies began. The idea that the Academies have boosted numbers is, unfortunately, a fallacy. The only thing it has done is give us and the GC first crack.

I would say most years these days would see more than the 2-3 players drafted per year back then.

(I am deliberately excluding rookies because these days it's just a way to recycle old players, whereas back then it was frequently for one and done newbies so neither contributed long term to AFL drafting success.)

 

[scoman]

I would say most years these days would see more than the 2-3 players drafted per year back then.

(I am deliberately excluding rookies because these days it's just a way to recycle old players, whereas back then it was frequently for one and done newbies so neither contributed long term to AFL drafting success.)

We can exclude all we like, but numbers have been down over the last decade or so. 50 Queenslanders on lists in 2008 to 33 in 2023. It's a pretty good effort if you can manipulate that to an increase. What's even more alarming is that the GC have joined the comp in this period and thrown their weight behind the academies, yet Queensland is still not producing higher numbers than it did previously. It doesn't seem right, but it is. Maybe it's turning, it feels like it might be, but the first decade hasn't been great.

 

[Thomasno]

I would like to see the evidence of a Northern Club that is flat out unbeatable due to their Academy talent.
It’s an over reaction from the big VIC clubs because of GC draft last year.
And any rise of the Suns may, just guessing, be partially because of the countless first round talent that they already have on their list via other AFL handouts and from being so s**t for so long.

Also no different the GWS scaring the s**t out of the competition many years ago due to their academy borders and the VIC Clubs and media crying about it until a change was made.

Agreed, the suns rise will be largely on the back of Matt f*cking Rowell if anything, more so than Walter et al.

Side note, anyone else getting serious Voss vibes from Rowell? Man is an absolute animal attacking the contested footy, seriously scary. Really seems of that same mould, when the team start getting consistent that he’ll be the guy to say “get on my back and I’ll take you to the promised land”

 

[Thomasno]

Imagine being afraid of a team that has never made finals.

GWS and GC have been one step away from a 10yr dynasty for 10 years.

Don’t be too harsh on Gaz, he’s just upset as he slowly comes to terms with the fact that his club have pissed away a dynasty chance with arguably the most talented list in a long time

 

[Dalions]

We can exclude all we like, but numbers have been down over the last decade or so. 50 Queenslanders on lists in 2008 to 33 in 2023. It's a pretty good effort if you can manipulate that to an increase. What's even more alarming is that the GC have joined the comp in this period and thrown their weight behind the academies, yet Queensland is still not producing higher numbers than it did previously. It doesn't seem right, but it is. Maybe it's turning, it feels like it might be, but the first decade hasn't been great.

You get the feeling that the numbers back in the early 2000’s was off the back of the Lions success during the three peat.
And again now a slow rise in quality of QLD kids off the back of a successful era of the Lions.
It’s not only the supporters that are fickle and jump off the band wagon.

 

[Section 5]

Some interesting proposals in this article.
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NON-FINALISTS FREE AGENCY SWITCH FLOATED​

ALLOWING non-finalists to have access to players as free agents after six years is among the suggestions clubs have made to the AFL as the League takes feedback on its free agency system.

Changing the compensation pick system so that selections only come in at the midway point of the draft or at the end of the first round, publicly releasing the compensation formula and adding the year length of deals as a major component of the compensation model are other main considerations put forward by clubs as part of the AFL's competitive balance review.

The League is expected to wrap up its meetings with clubs this week and then be able to move onto informing them about any proposed changes to its bidding system, free agency, trade period, a mid-season player movement window, pick purchasing and the Next Generation Academy.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1119769...ree-agency-switch-floated-hawk-to-hit-trigger

 

[mpal6]

Some interesting proposals in this article.
.......................................

NON-FINALISTS FREE AGENCY SWITCH FLOATED​

ALLOWING non-finalists to have access to players as free agents after six years is among the suggestions clubs have made to the AFL as the League takes feedback on its free agency system.

Changing the compensation pick system so that selections only come in at the midway point of the draft or at the end of the first round, publicly releasing the compensation formula and adding the year length of deals as a major component of the compensation model are other main considerations put forward by clubs as part of the AFL's competitive balance review.

The League is expected to wrap up its meetings with clubs this week and then be able to move onto informing them about any proposed changes to its bidding system, free agency, trade period, a mid-season player movement window, pick purchasing and the Next Generation Academy.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1119769...ree-agency-switch-floated-hawk-to-hit-trigger

Geelong will take a customary dip out of top 8 and go for a 6 year free agency sweepstakes. Why try to dress it up in some funny language and try to bring 6 year free agency, might as well announce it as free agency straight after the first draft contract.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Geelong will take a customary dip out of top 8 and go for a 6 year free agency sweepstakes. Why try to dress it up in some funny language and try to bring 6 year free agency, might as well announce it as free agency straight after the first draft contract.

Yep, this gives more teams an incentive to tank.

 

[dlanod]

Answerth A Lion Until 2026

Defender Noah Answerth has re-committed to the Brisbane Lions by signing a new deal to remain at the Club.

www.lions.com.au

 

[ZoBlitz]

Answerth A Lion Until 2026

Defender Noah Answerth has re-committed to the Brisbane Lions by signing a new deal to remain at the Club.

www.lions.com.au

Look what happens when you spend some time trying to improve your kicking. A lesson for all...

 

[T Rick]

Answerth A Lion Until 2026

Defender Noah Answerth has re-committed to the Brisbane Lions by signing a new deal to remain at the Club.

www.lions.com.au

Really pleased for Noah - a "heart and soul" player, not dissimilar to Ryan Lester...all teams and clubs are built on these types of players.

 

[dlanod]

Look what happens when you spend some time trying to improve your kicking. A lesson for all...

You mean I've still got a chance???

 

[irel]

You mean I've still got a chance???

Have you managed to kick the side of your barn yet?

On F1 using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[dlanod]

Have you managed to kick the side of your barn yet?

On F1 using BigFooty.com mobile app

Absolutely managed that, but I broke a toe which set back my attempts to do it with a ball.

 

[Squizz89]

How many should we take now in the MSD?

 

[briztoon]

How many should we take now in the MSD?

2 at the most.

Anyone in our or the Suns reserves worth the second pick for a 6 month contract.

 

[lionshine]

Despite having 2 spots open via Kiddy & Doedee I thought we would only take the 1 pick in the MSD but with Linc & Dizz likely gone for the year and 4 spots open we need to take 2 minimum and potentially a 3rd as insurance because if we get anymore long term injuries in the second half our depth chart could be down 4-5 players.

 

[briztoon]

Despite having 2 spots open via Kiddy & Doedee I thought we would only take the 1 pick in the MSD but with Linc & Dizz likely gone for the year and 4 spots open we need to take 2 minimum and potentially a 3rd as insurance because if we get anymore long term injuries in the second half our depth chart could be down 4-5 players.

What are you going to offer them, a 6 month or 18 month contract?

 

[lionshine]

What are you going to offer them, a 6 month or 18 month contract?

10 years

 

[Nathan Barley]

Despite having 2 spots open via Kiddy & Doedee I thought we would only take the 1 pick in the MSD but with Linc & Dizz likely gone for the year and 4 spots open we need to take 2 minimum and potentially a 3rd as insurance because if we get anymore long term injuries in the second half our depth chart could be down 4-5 players.

Small forward could be handy to replace Linc. Maybe another key back depending how we rate Joyce

 

[M Malice]

Small forward could be handy to replace Linc. Maybe another key back depending how we rate Joyce

Frank Szekely is a must now.

The young top up small in the VFL has also been pretty good, Ben Thomas.

 

[mpal6]

2 at the most.

Anyone in our or the Suns reserves worth the second pick for a 6 month contract.

Nah, get 3 or all 4 with every single player as a speed demon. What a great opportunity to do a mini-list reset and we can add more running profile.

Our biggest concern was draft hand getting burnt in first round and here's a chance to take 4 free hits without worrying about it. We should take maximum advantage.

2 x pacey small forwards who can also go midfield (Charlie, Linc replacements)

2 x wing / half backs (if we can get Szekely and a tall version of Szekely that'll be great)

2 x Ashcrofts can take over from Neale and Zorko

If McCluggage + Berry stay or go, we try to move higher on draft to get more midfield talent.

Daniher and 3rd tall replacement will come from one of Morris, Lloyd and Smith. ZZ is the wild card.

 

[briztoon]

Nah, get 3 or all 4 with every single player as a speed demon. What a great opportunity to do a mini-list reset and we can add more running profile.

Our biggest concern was draft hand getting burnt in first round and here's a chance to take 4 free hits without worrying about it. We should take maximum advantage.

2 x pacey small forwards who can also go midfield (Charlie, Linc replacements)

2 x wing / half backs (if we can get Szekely and a tall version of Szekely that'll be great)

2 x Ashcrofts can take over from Neale and Zorko

If McCluggage + Berry stay or go, we try to move higher on draft to get more midfield talent.

Daniher and 3rd tall replacement will come from one of Morris, Lloyd and Smith. ZZ is the wild card.

Just my view, the depth isn’t there in the midfield draft, to be trying to load up through that mechanism.

The vast majority of players are rookie draft quality and use up valuable list spots come the National draft.

Especially when we will probably look to take extra picks to the draft for points, and then pass on the last two picks and push them in to the rookie draft.

If we already have a full Rookie list, you are curtailing our flexibility come the National Draft.

Or we are faced with delisting extra players come the end of the season.

 

[mpal6]

Just my view, the depth isn’t there in the midfield draft, to be trying to load up through that mechanism.

The vast majority of players are rookie draft quality and us up valuable list spots come the National draft.

Especially when we will probably look to take extra picks to the draft for points, and then pass on the last two picks and push them in to the rookie draft.

If we already have a full Rookie list, you are curtailing our flexibility come the National Draft.

Or we are faced with delisting extra players come the end of the season.

Yep, my thinking was along the lines of current depth players moving out so the list spot opens up anyway. It may happen either in the form of delistings or retirements or players choosing to leave. Rather than replacing them with late draft picks (after all our first/second round picks get used up for points), I'm thinking we could get 4 mature agers now who have potential.