List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[M Malice]

Haven't seen Shadeau in the media before, speaks well, very focused individual.

 

[Nunez]

Haven't seen Shadeau in the media before, speaks well, very focused individual.

No way he'd have been drafted without the academy.

 

[martinson]

Haven't seen Shadeau in the media before, speaks well, very focused individual.

Well spoken young lad and the thing to really like is that he's improving in leaps and bounds with a year in the system which is always a good sign that you've found a player.

Some are there for 4 or 5 years and you're always waiting for them to come good.

 

[Section 5]

Link to the site is at the bottom of the comment.
You can click on a player, and it will take you to their AFL/VFL playing record.
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Over the years, Queensland has produced an array of talent for elite leagues such as the Australian Football League, such as Jason Dunstall, Marcus Ashcroft, Michael Voss, Gavin Crosisca, Scott McIvor, Simon Black, Jason Akermanis, Nick Riewoldt, Danny Dickfos, Mitch Hahn, Dayne Beams, Kurt Tippett, Jarrod Harbrow, David Hale, Sam Gilbert, Daniel Merrett, Che Cockatoo-Collins, Steven Lawrence, Clark Keating, Jamie Charman, Brett Voss, Brad Miller, Mal Michael, Ben Hudson, Matthew Kennedy, David Armitage and Robert Copeland.



AFL players currently on an AFL list and past players

Far too many to copy so link to the site.
Includes AFLW

Australian rules football in Queensland - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[dlanod]

The fallacy I was talking about, is that our academy is growing the game in QLD, i.e attracting new kids to the sport.

My assertion is that this is not the case, because most of the kids making it to the AFL already come from a footy background.

And most of the successful kids up here come from families that migrated from WA or VIC when they were kids. That’s actually a fact. As I said, the only two I couldn’t find their birth state for, were Ballenden and Payne.

The bit you quoted, bolded, and disputed said "Without us funding and running the academies many of these prospects don’t exist in the AFL system." I was just pointing out that your response detailing players' family history really doesn't counter that at all. It's interesting, but not relevant to that. They probably would have still played Aussie Rules as a sport, but it's unlikely non-elite talents like Keays or Payne or Dawson or Buzza or any of the other dozens of academy graduates who have made the AFL would actually made it to the league (even for as short a period of time as Dawson) based off the sheer weight of history of Queensland draftees in the decade prior to the academy.

 

[jjami15]

I haven’t mentioned anything about grass roots football, and that’s certainly not a role for the academy.

Grass roots football feeds in to club football and local league football.

If you were to jump on to the QLD Football forum on BigFooty, and jump in to the QAFL thread, you’d experience a pretty big backlash about our academy.

Most posters there blame our academy for an increased drop out rate of kids between colts and reserve/league football.

And most of the posters there are QAFL club presidents, ex-presidents, board members, coaches, colts coaches, etc. they’re all involved in local footy, and to a man believe the academies have a negative impact on retention rates post Colts football.

I think you’ll find that this has always been happening. You go from Colts which is a serious program to ‘proper football’ and bigger bodies, training and expectation. Plus also add in the fact that they’ve just turned 18, they can go out, socialise, chase girls (figuratively) and their eyes are open to the world. I wouldn’t say retention rates have been an issue since the academy.

 

[Donald Trump]

I need a second opinion.

Donald Trump

Sorry losers and haters, but my I.Q. is one of the highest - and you all know it! Please don't feel so stupid or insecure, it's not your fault

 

[scoman]

The bit you quoted, bolded, and disputed said "Without us funding and running the academies many of these prospects don’t exist in the AFL system." I was just pointing out that your response detailing players' family history really doesn't counter that at all. It's interesting, but not relevant to that. They probably would have still played Aussie Rules as a sport, but it's unlikely non-elite talents like Keays or Payne or Dawson or Buzza or any of the other dozens of academy graduates who have made the AFL would actually made it to the league (even for as short a period of time as Dawson) based off the sheer weight of history of Queensland draftees in the decade prior to the academy.

Isn't there less Queenslanders in the AFL now then there were 10-15 years ago? Something like 33 in 2023 and 45 in 2013 and 50 in 2008?
In 2006 for example there were 11 players drafted from Queensland.

 

[briztoon]

Indeed. Just got to find a way to get him into the team.

Sack Fagan....

 

[briztoon]

I think you’ll find that this has always been happening. You go from Colts which is a serious program to ‘proper football’ and bigger bodies, training and expectation. Plus also add in the fact that they’ve just turned 18, they can go out, socialise, chase girls (figuratively) and their eyes are open to the world. I wouldn’t say retention rates have been an issue since the academy.

I agree with that, and that's often been a counter argument in discussions on the QAFL board. But listen to the posters on there, and they all blame the academies for ruining local footy. And now the VFL as well.

 

[briztoon]

Isn't there less Queenslanders in the AFL now then there were 10-15 years ago? Something like 33 in 2023 and 45 in 2013 and 50 in 2008?
In 2006 for example there were 11 players drafted from Queensland.

That doesn't match with the academy discussion, so I'm interested if you'll get a reply.

 

[dlanod]

Isn't there less Queenslanders in the AFL now then there were 10-15 years ago? Something like 33 in 2023 and 45 in 2013 and 50 in 2008?
In 2006 for example there were 11 players drafted from Queensland.

I don't know the overall totals across the league (especially with the list reductions), but 2006 was a freak year.

2004 was three plus two rookies.
2005 was five.
2007 was 3 plus 2 rookies.
2008 was 2 plus 2 rookies.
2009 and on there were Gold Coast zone picks so actual results are a bit deceptive but a lot of those washed out quite quickly. Only four can really lay claim to a decent career.
2010 and on there were academies.

 

[scoman]

I don't know the overall totals across the league (especially with the list reductions), but 2006 was a freak year.

2004 was three plus two rookies.
2005 was five.
2007 was 3 plus 2 rookies.
2008 was 2 plus 2 rookies.
2009 and on there were Gold Coast zone picks so actual results are a bit deceptive but a lot of those washed out quite quickly. Only four can really lay claim to a decent career.
2010 and on there were academies.

Yes 2006 was a bumper year, but that's still 30 players drafted in 5 years between 2004 and 2009. There wouldn't have been that many in any 5 year period since the academies began. The idea that the Academies have boosted numbers is, unfortunately, a fallacy. The only thing it has done is give us and the GC first crack.

 

[briztoon]

I don't know the overall totals across the league (especially with the list reductions), but 2006 was a freak year.

2004 was three plus two rookies.
2005 was five.
2007 was 3 plus 2 rookies.
2008 was 2 plus 2 rookies.
2009 and on there were Gold Coast zone picks so actual results are a bit deceptive but a lot of those washed out quite quickly. Only four can really lay claim to a decent career.
2010 and on there were academies.

So fewer players being drafted year on year from 2011 to 2020, or about the same?

Were the academies only instituted in 2010, so then the real first draft class from the academies was 2015?

We know Andrews was only in the academy for 1 or 2 years (I can't remember which), and that the academy didn't want to know anything about him to start with.

Doesn't look like the QLD academies are getting more kids drafted year on year, up until last year.

 

[dlanod]

Yes 2006 was a bumper year, but that's still 30 players drafted in 5 years between 2004 and 2009. There wouldn't have been that many in any 5 year period since the academies began. The idea that the Academies have boosted numbers is, unfortunately, a fallacy. The only thing it has done is give us and the GC first crack.

I would say most years these days would see more than the 2-3 players drafted per year back then.

(I am deliberately excluding rookies because these days it's just a way to recycle old players, whereas back then it was frequently for one and done newbies so neither contributed long term to AFL drafting success.)

 

[scoman]

I would say most years these days would see more than the 2-3 players drafted per year back then.

(I am deliberately excluding rookies because these days it's just a way to recycle old players, whereas back then it was frequently for one and done newbies so neither contributed long term to AFL drafting success.)

We can exclude all we like, but numbers have been down over the last decade or so. 50 Queenslanders on lists in 2008 to 33 in 2023. It's a pretty good effort if you can manipulate that to an increase. What's even more alarming is that the GC have joined the comp in this period and thrown their weight behind the academies, yet Queensland is still not producing higher numbers than it did previously. It doesn't seem right, but it is. Maybe it's turning, it feels like it might be, but the first decade hasn't been great.

 

[Thomasno]

I would like to see the evidence of a Northern Club that is flat out unbeatable due to their Academy talent.
It’s an over reaction from the big VIC clubs because of GC draft last year.
And any rise of the Suns may, just guessing, be partially because of the countless first round talent that they already have on their list via other AFL handouts and from being so s**t for so long.

Also no different the GWS scaring the s**t out of the competition many years ago due to their academy borders and the VIC Clubs and media crying about it until a change was made.

Agreed, the suns rise will be largely on the back of Matt f*cking Rowell if anything, more so than Walter et al.

Side note, anyone else getting serious Voss vibes from Rowell? Man is an absolute animal attacking the contested footy, seriously scary. Really seems of that same mould, when the team start getting consistent that he’ll be the guy to say “get on my back and I’ll take you to the promised land”

 

[Thomasno]

Imagine being afraid of a team that has never made finals.

GWS and GC have been one step away from a 10yr dynasty for 10 years.

Don’t be too harsh on Gaz, he’s just upset as he slowly comes to terms with the fact that his club have pissed away a dynasty chance with arguably the most talented list in a long time

 

[Dalions]

We can exclude all we like, but numbers have been down over the last decade or so. 50 Queenslanders on lists in 2008 to 33 in 2023. It's a pretty good effort if you can manipulate that to an increase. What's even more alarming is that the GC have joined the comp in this period and thrown their weight behind the academies, yet Queensland is still not producing higher numbers than it did previously. It doesn't seem right, but it is. Maybe it's turning, it feels like it might be, but the first decade hasn't been great.

You get the feeling that the numbers back in the early 2000’s was off the back of the Lions success during the three peat.
And again now a slow rise in quality of QLD kids off the back of a successful era of the Lions.
It’s not only the supporters that are fickle and jump off the band wagon.

 

[Section 5]

Some interesting proposals in this article.
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NON-FINALISTS FREE AGENCY SWITCH FLOATED​

ALLOWING non-finalists to have access to players as free agents after six years is among the suggestions clubs have made to the AFL as the League takes feedback on its free agency system.

Changing the compensation pick system so that selections only come in at the midway point of the draft or at the end of the first round, publicly releasing the compensation formula and adding the year length of deals as a major component of the compensation model are other main considerations put forward by clubs as part of the AFL's competitive balance review.

The League is expected to wrap up its meetings with clubs this week and then be able to move onto informing them about any proposed changes to its bidding system, free agency, trade period, a mid-season player movement window, pick purchasing and the Next Generation Academy.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1119769...ree-agency-switch-floated-hawk-to-hit-trigger

 

[mpal6]

Some interesting proposals in this article.
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NON-FINALISTS FREE AGENCY SWITCH FLOATED​

ALLOWING non-finalists to have access to players as free agents after six years is among the suggestions clubs have made to the AFL as the League takes feedback on its free agency system.

Changing the compensation pick system so that selections only come in at the midway point of the draft or at the end of the first round, publicly releasing the compensation formula and adding the year length of deals as a major component of the compensation model are other main considerations put forward by clubs as part of the AFL's competitive balance review.

The League is expected to wrap up its meetings with clubs this week and then be able to move onto informing them about any proposed changes to its bidding system, free agency, trade period, a mid-season player movement window, pick purchasing and the Next Generation Academy.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1119769...ree-agency-switch-floated-hawk-to-hit-trigger

Geelong will take a customary dip out of top 8 and go for a 6 year free agency sweepstakes. Why try to dress it up in some funny language and try to bring 6 year free agency, might as well announce it as free agency straight after the first draft contract.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Geelong will take a customary dip out of top 8 and go for a 6 year free agency sweepstakes. Why try to dress it up in some funny language and try to bring 6 year free agency, might as well announce it as free agency straight after the first draft contract.

Yep, this gives more teams an incentive to tank.

 

[dlanod]

Answerth A Lion Until 2026

Defender Noah Answerth has re-committed to the Brisbane Lions by signing a new deal to remain at the Club.

www.lions.com.au

 

[ZoBlitz]

Answerth A Lion Until 2026

Defender Noah Answerth has re-committed to the Brisbane Lions by signing a new deal to remain at the Club.

www.lions.com.au

Look what happens when you spend some time trying to improve your kicking. A lesson for all...

 

[T Rick]

Answerth A Lion Until 2026

Defender Noah Answerth has re-committed to the Brisbane Lions by signing a new deal to remain at the Club.

www.lions.com.au

Really pleased for Noah - a "heart and soul" player, not dissimilar to Ryan Lester...all teams and clubs are built on these types of players.