List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[greendiesel]

Don't quite get the knock on Day when the club had extremely limited resources to facilitate a trade with a name player when none were OOC and you are asking a player (doesn't where that player is located in Australia) to basically uproot their life for likely a one year deal and Day is already based in SEQ.

Day just makes sense, can't believe anyone can't see it any differently.

Just to make the case more bullet proof....Stewie Dew will be heavily consulted prior to any Day decision.
In Stewie I trust.

 

[Nathan Barley]

If we go Day it's very clear we value keeping the same structure and he's the best fit we could get

 

[braddsey]

Rightio

• Number of best 23 players wanting to be traded from our club? zero.
• Number of Joe Daniher’s available to trade for in the AFL? zero
• Number of potential top 20 draft pick players coming to us in the draft, for a bunch of late picks that we didn’t have at the beginning of the trade period? 2

We did what we needed to do.

We have 23 games next year to figure out what our best look is up forward. I expect all of Smith, Fort & Day (assuming we go with him) will be given a look at forward/ruck throughout the season, perhaps even a “horses for courses” approach.
My preference would be to give Smith a solid shot at it given he’s the future. When he needs a break (as Morris did this season), bring in Day.
Fort can hold the ruck in the 2’s and focus on being the best ruckman he can be in the event Oscar goes down again.
I’d also be playing Gardiner as a forward in the 2’s. We already know he can play back.

Our depth players will be putting plenty of pressure for places in best 23. Unless someone gets picked up as a DFA we have Reville, Brain, Prior, Dev waiting - and that’s behind our 4 ACL boys (who may need to find some match fitness through the 2’s).

No concerns for 2025!

 

[buttermuffs]

Hearing reports that Curnow, Max and Ben King

34

Ben King

Age

25

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

, Oscar Allen

12

Oscar Allen

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

, Fogarty, Hogan and Mitch Lewis all expressed interest but we knocked them back because we wanted Sam Day

14

Sam Day

Age

33

Ht

196cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

4.6

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

3.6

1star

HB

4.4

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

1.5

2star

G

0.9

4star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.8

3star

G

0.2

3star

.

Joe even asked to come back and we said we don’t have a spot for him anymore, that’s gone to Ty Gallop.

 

[Dalions]

Hearing reports that Curnow, Max and Ben King, Oscar Allen, Fogarty, Hogan and Mitch Lewis all expressed interest but we knocked them back because we wanted Sam Day.

Joe even asked to come back and we said we don’t have a spot for him anymore, that’s gone to Ty Gallop.

I wonder if Dom Fay gave a freudian slip at the end of the last podcast with a name that he had heard earlier in the year as a Joe replacement.
He said something to the words of, who knows, maybe even Ben King might be a lion by the end of trade period?
Could be the one we have our eyes on for next year?

 

[notliondown]

If we go Day it's very clear we value keeping the same structure and he's the best fit we could get

Why do you say that? We are very thin on the ground for tall forwards with any experience... Day could simply be back up.

I expect we will try plan B, C and D and if all else fails revert to plan A.

I'm sure the club aren't assuming Day is like for like and to continue to play the same way would be foolish. Surely we have a little more faith than that now don't we?

 

[Pride of lions]

It is really interesting to hear the VIC media pundits talking about the Lions now. Six weeks ago we couldn’t win the flag because Daniher was unreliable, couldn’t be trusted,didn’t provide enough effort etc etc. Now the narrative is that he was our best player and we can’t win it without him. And apparently Collingwood are going to be the team to beat because they have brought in a back flanker who is going to carry them to the top. The BS they spout is incredible.

 

[braddsey]

It is really interesting to hear the VIC media pundits talking about the Lions now. Six weeks ago we couldn’t win the flag because Daniher was unreliable, couldn’t be trusted,didn’t provide enough effort etc etc. Now the narrative is that he was our best player and we can’t win it without him. And apparently Collingwood are going to be the team to beat because they have brought in a back flanker who is going to carry them to the top. The BS they spout is incredible.

I wouldn’t worry too much about Collingwood. Their reliance on old players and winning close matches is not a premiership formula.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I wouldn’t worry too much about Collingwood. Their reliance on old players and winning close matches is not a premiership formula.

And they still don't have a forwardline. Given how shaky they were defensively this year they'll struggle again next year

 

[Johnny Bananas]

So a full roster can be as high as 44 players: 2 Cat B rookies and 42 across the regular list and Cat A. As our Cat B rookies can stay where they are for next season, and we can move players between the regular and Cat A list, I'm just going to look at list spots in terms of the 42.

We had a full list going into the season and then took 3 players in the MSD, so going into the offseason we had 45 players. We needed to cut to at least 39 to draft the minimum 3 players, and we've got there already by losing Lyons, Michael, Lane, Madden, Daniher and Sharp.

However, we need more open list spots than that to take in extra picks for bid matching. From our other OOC players, everyone has signed a contract for 2025 except Prior, Beecken and Craven. That gives us 6 open list spots, and 6 picks that we can take to the draft: 27, 34, 42, 43, 49 and 60. This leaves out pick 66. I assume we're going to have to make another trade to take pick 66 in.

Once the draft is done we can sign Day, bringing us to 37 list spots occupied and 5 free. So we can take 2 players in the draft and upgrade a rookie if we keep all of Prior, Beecken and Craven, or take 5 players if we delist them all. I figure the club wants to hang on to at least two if not all three of them, so we'll probably just go with Levi and Marshall, maybe Gallop or one other. Good job by the list management team to get us to this position.

 

[Brizzys Squizzy]

Now that FREDDY is delisted , surely we get him to do a medical.

 

[braddsey]

So a full roster can be as high as 44 players: 2 Cat B rookies and 42 across the regular list and Cat A. As our Cat B rookies can stay where they are for next season, and we can move players between the regular and Cat A list, I'm just going to look at list spots in terms of the 42.

We had a full list going into the season and then took 3 players in the MSD, so going into the offseason we had 45 players. We needed to cut to at least 39 to draft the minimum 3 players, and we've got there already by losing Lyons, Michael, Lane, Madden, Daniher and Sharp.

However, we need more open list spots than that to take in extra picks for bid matching. From our other OOC players, everyone has signed a contract for 2025 except Prior, Beecken and Craven. That gives us 6 open list spots, and 6 picks that we can take to the draft: 27, 34, 42, 43, 49 and 60. This leaves out pick 66. I assume we're going to have to make another trade to take pick 66 in.

Once the draft is done we can sign Day, bringing us to 37 list spots occupied and 5 free. So we can take 2 players in the draft and upgrade a rookie if we keep all of Prior, Beecken and Craven, or take 5 players if we delist them all. I figure the club wants to hang on to at least two if not all three of them, so we'll probably just go with Levi and Marshall, maybe Gallop or one other. Good job by the list management team to get us to this position.

I don’t really know the quality of our MSD selections, but it does look like smart recruiting to turn a bad situation (4 x ACL’s) into picking up some players.
Clearly we have very little draft/trade hand this off-season, so anyone we can bring in after Ashcroft and Marshall were always going to be speculative late picks.
The MSD boys will have had 6 months in our system and the opportunity for a full pre-season.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I'd be pretty comfortable if we decided to just straight delist Prior, Beecken and Craven. Beecken would be handy for another preseason and potentially try and develop him more on the wing or keep him as depth for Wilmot. Prior and Craven will be close to the bottom of the pecking order in their respective roles

 

[dlanod]

I don’t really know the quality of our MSD selections, but it does look like smart recruiting to turn a bad situation (4 x ACL’s) into picking up some players.
Clearly we have very little draft/trade hand this off-season, so anyone we can bring in after Ashcroft and Marshall were always going to be speculative late picks.
The MSD boys will have had 6 months in our system and the opportunity for a full pre-season.

Not just smart recruiting - why do you think Fagan had us in 13th for the MSD? Just a quality effort top to bottom.

 

[Grasshopper17]

And we definitely WON'T organise a big get together prior to the season to watch a replay of the premiership like the Pies did!

Goodness, hope Fox are aware of this. This will come as news to them...

 

[p4p1]

There will always be a lean toward players wanting to go to good teams.

But players went to WC, North, Freo, Saints.

Port and Pies had questionable trade period IMO.

Dogs ok.

Hawks did well but far from an established powerhouse, Battle and Barass arnt superstars.

Lions and Swans sat idle in terms of players in.

Agree in general terms but I think more teams than ever got what they want.

Barass is very good, suffers from being in the same backline as McGovern but he is an excellent defender who I would take in a heartbeat.

 

[p4p1]

FB Starcevich Andrews Payne
HB Zorko Lester Coleman
C Clugg Neale Berry
HF Rayner Hipwood Ah Chee
FF Cameron Morris Lohman
Foll McInerny Dunkley W Ashcroft
Int L Ashcroft Willmot Fletcher Bailey
Sub McCarthy

Trying to come up with a 2025 team and I don't see where Day fits other than backup. It is one of the bolded guys that would come out for Day or any other tall forward and I don't see based on history, both recent and past any of those guys coming out without an injury for a third tall. I know previously it has been our preferred method, though when Gunston was injured we played with two.

Hippy could play some ruck, I did notice he did a small amount in the GF. We obviously need some KPF cover though so Day makes sense.

 

[Clarkythelion]

There will always be a lean toward players wanting to go to good teams.

But players went to WC, North, Freo, Saints.

Port and Pies had questionable trade period IMO.

Dogs ok.

Hawks did well but far from an established powerhouse, Battle and Barass arnt superstars.

Lions and Swans sat idle in terms of players in.

Agree in general terms but I think more teams than ever got what they want.

Good summary. The swans for me were the interesting one, I would think internally they would question the need for change in the key forwards, or at least strengthen/backing up their forward line. If the Lions are in a search for a Joe replacement I'd think their need even greater.

 

[Grasshopper17]

FB Starcevich Andrews Payne
HB Zorko Lester Coleman
C Clugg Neale Berry
HF Rayner Hipwood Ah Chee
FF Cameron Morris Lohman
Foll McInerny Dunkley W Ashcroft
Int L Ashcroft Willmot Fletcher Bailey
Sub McCarthy

Trying to come up with a 2025 team and I don't see where Day fits other than backup. It is one of the bolded guys that would come out for Day or any other tall forward and I don't see based on history, both recent and past any of those guys coming out without an injury for a third tall. I know previously it has been our preferred method, though when Gunston was injured we played with two.

Hippy could play some ruck, I did notice he did a small amount in the GF. We obviously need some KPF cover though so Day makes sense.

I feel as though next season we will learn a lot about the difference between "our best team" and "our best 23 players". I think there is a difference and the 23 listed here emphasises this. We'll probably be able to get away with this structure against some teams, but for others we will need a more heavy duty forward line with an extra tall, whoever that is.

In any case, there are always injuries and those by themselves I'm sure will dictate that this team rarely if ever makes it out onto the field.

 

[Clarkythelion]

Going to get an A+ at the draft though.

It really is a bit silly from the various Footy commentators to rate the Trade period on its own. Trade and Draft is how it should be judged and clearly Brisbane look as if our rating should be an 'A' having won the grand final and still getting 2 picks in the first round (possibly) then there are the teams that traded players in and got out of the draft and those players ultimately make no difference. Maybe the best time to judge in mid-season or even end of season. If Levi Ashcroft wins the rising star, say Day kicks 40 odd goals, and Marshall get 6 brownlow votes you would say great Trade/Draft period. If Hawthorne and Collingwood don't move on the ladder you would say they had a c- Trade/Draft. Someone like West Coast we may not even judge them on the coming year in the Trade/Draft but wait to see what happens in next years trade period.

 

[Perrip]

Seems clubs are starting to delist/renew their fringe OOC players today. I wonder if the Lions will announce anything

 

[Saucery]

I do hope you meant "ravage" rather than "ravish"

 

[BrisVegasDru]

Goodness, hope Fox are aware of this. This will come as news to them...

Have heard Dom Fay say his mate from Fox has been charged with producing a documentary when he returns from leave, so there will be something.

 

[Elixuh]

 

[notliondown]

Not just smart recruiting - why do you think Fagan had us in 13th for the MSD? Just a quality effort top to bottom.

I thought we spoke about us rorting the system